Does Hanley have a plate appearance clause after next season?

TheCone

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I read somewhere that Hanley has a clause based on PA that would trigger yet another year? How should this be handled? Hell...I dont even want him on the team this year!
 

The Gray Eagle

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Here's his contract info:

  • $3M signing bonus (half by 1/15/15, balance by 3/15/15)
  • 15:$19M, 16:$22M, 17:$22M, 18:$22M, 2019: $22M vesting option, guaranteed if Ramirez has 1,050 plate appearances in 2017-18 and passes club physical after 2018 season
  • award bonuses: $50,000 each for All Star, Gold Glove, Silver Slugger, LCS MVP. $0.1M for WS MVP. $0.15M for MVP ($0.125M for second place in vote, $0.1M for third)
  • limited no-trade protection (may block deals to three clubs)
  • perks: suite on road, may purchase six premium tickets per game

He's got 469 PAs so far this year. Needs 581 more to lock in that $22 million for 2019.

Here's why you probably are frustrated with him:
High leverage: 96 PA, 217/323/361, 684 OPS, 13 RBI
2 out, runners in scoring position: 67 PA, 161/299/232, 531 OPS, 9 RBI

Anyone have his numbers with runners on third and less than 2 outs?
 

pokey_reese

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Here's why you probably are frustrated with him:
High leverage: 96 PA, 217/323/361, 684 OPS, 13 RBI
2 out, runners in scoring position: 67 PA, 161/299/232, 531 OPS, 9 RBI

Anyone have his numbers with runners on third and less than 2 outs?
You are overthinking this. The reason that people are frustrated with him is that he is playing below average defense and providing below average offense while making a significant percentage of the team's total salary, and yet the team seems prepared to let this happen for not one, but two more years. He is, at this point, pretty much what we could expect from Bryce Brentz over a full season based on MLEs, but costs $20 million dollars more.

Understand that I have loved Hanley for a long time, and was pleased with this signing when it happened. But he has delivered exactly 1 fWAR over three years at this point, and that means that the bar for replacing him, at DH no less, is so low that it's criminal to think that the team would simply let that option vest out of a lack of imagination. Eat some amount of the remaining contract for nothing in 2018 if you absolutely have to, but OP is right that it would be bonkers for him to still be on the team in 2019.

All that said, this conversation is a little premature. We don't necessarily have a better option today, so he is playing out this season either way. Then, at some point close to the deadline next year, if he has remained healthy and is on pace to hit the PA threshold, you try to trade him and eat his salary. If not, you give his job to the best hitting kid in AAA, and DFA him. Or, best case scenario, he somehow learns how to hit again next year and rakes, and we are suddenly happy to have him!
 

jerry casale

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You are overthinking this. The reason that people are frustrated with him is that he is playing below average defense and providing below average offense while making a significant percentage of the team's total salary, and yet the team seems prepared to let this happen for not one, but two more years. He is, at this point, pretty much what we could expect from Bryce Brentz over a full season based on MLEs, but costs $20 million dollars more.

Understand that I have loved Hanley for a long time, and was pleased with this signing when it happened. But he has delivered exactly 1 fWAR over three years at this point, and that means that the bar for replacing him, at DH no less, is so low that it's criminal to think that the team would simply let that option vest out of a lack of imagination. Eat some amount of the remaining contract for nothing in 2018 if you absolutely have to, but OP is right that it would be bonkers for him to still be on the team in 2019.

All that said, this conversation is a little premature. We don't necessarily have a better option today, so he is playing out this season either way. Then, at some point close to the deadline next year, if he has remained healthy and is on pace to hit the PA threshold, you try to trade him and eat his salary. If not, you give his job to the best hitting kid in AAA, and DFA him. Or, best case scenario, he somehow learns how to hit again next year and rakes, and we are suddenly happy to have him!
yes, yes and yes. He has left 210 men on base this year.
I just want him gone. $19M and he just doesn't seem to care. He hacks and hacks.
We have got 2 months of good Hanley in 3 years. He's lucky Panda overshadowed him.
And he seems to think he's honoring us if he plays a position every now and then.
One last rant, how can Farrell justify keeping him cleanup? (I know last night he was 7th)
 

Clears Cleaver

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His approach sucks. He's basicaly a fastball in hitter now, he completely forgot that RF exists and if he's down in the count he's done. He is so easy to pitch to these days, almost the exact opposite of what he was in his prime, when he could almost any pitch in any location hard to every part of the ballpark. now he's a fast abll in or mistake in hitter only

Mookie caught some of Hanley's disease, too. It's really a shame that Papi is not here this year instead of Hanley.