I think this more in line with what they did with Moncada last year. Call him up and see if he's ready and can stick. If not, back to AAA?
Devers called up to Majors
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So just to be clear, Devers is taking the 13th pitchers spot on the 25. Rutledge will be returned to Colorado (if they want him....), Holt will be a utility guy again, and peace will prevail. All is good till we can get rid of Fister and return Velazquez to the show. Have I got it?
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Today the Red Sox have all glove guys at 1B and 3B (Moreland and Marrero). Devers may bring offense to the left side. Moving Ramirez to 1B doesn't improve the team the same way that adding an offensive 1B would. Is that now the best approach? Bring in the defensive M's when leading late. A bench of those 2 + C + Young. On the other hand, having a backup 1B on the bench is plain stupid.
That's why there's so much talk about Alonso and Duda in the other threads, but now Moreland would have to be traded or DL'd.
I like the idea of fucking with the Yankees who went out and got a 3B when they needed a 1B. Nothing would be as satisfying as Devers becoming all- world and Dudonzo anchoring a powerful 1B.
But, if Devers' defense is truly suspect, the team may need to stick with Moreland to anchor that base for him and Bogaerts.
It's hard to forget what Doug M'alphabet did for the Sox.
That's why there's so much talk about Alonso and Duda in the other threads, but now Moreland would have to be traded or DL'd.
I like the idea of fucking with the Yankees who went out and got a 3B when they needed a 1B. Nothing would be as satisfying as Devers becoming all- world and Dudonzo anchoring a powerful 1B.
But, if Devers' defense is truly suspect, the team may need to stick with Moreland to anchor that base for him and Bogaerts.
It's hard to forget what Doug M'alphabet did for the Sox.
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Not as cool as not making four errors, but we know both the flaws of SSS and the flaw of using errors as a measure of defensive performance. I would think his eight games don't have much predictive value for his defensive value in his first few weeks in the bigs. Hoping the bat plays better than Moncada's cup of coffee.
He has to be offered back to them, they don't have to take him and since they didn't think enough of him to put him on the 40 man over the winter they may not.
Or they may, whatever I honestly don't care if Rutledge stays and I doubt DD does either.
As for Devers I guess it means they didn't think much of the trade market. I assume he'll hit at least decently I just hope his fielding isn't too bad.
Scott Lauber ESPN Staff Writer
No apples-to-apples recent Red Sox precedent for calling up Rafael Devers to play regularly in heat of pennant race. Andrew Benintendi was two years older and came from a college program when he got called up last year. Even in 2013, Xander Bogaerts wasn't called up to play every day. "I think not playing on a regular basis was a good thing for me," Bogaerts said. "I was able to watch the game, enjoy the game as a bench player. ... This guy maybe's got to play every day again."
No apples-to-apples recent Red Sox precedent for calling up Rafael Devers to play regularly in heat of pennant race. Andrew Benintendi was two years older and came from a college program when he got called up last year. Even in 2013, Xander Bogaerts wasn't called up to play every day. "I think not playing on a regular basis was a good thing for me," Bogaerts said. "I was able to watch the game, enjoy the game as a bench player. ... This guy maybe's got to play every day again."
The better lights will help him determine where the first baseman is, while the manicured fields lead to better bounces
Saw him a couple weeks ago in Hartford where he crushed a mammoth home run after fouling a bunch of pitches off. Looked really good. He also seemed more than happy to sign a ton of stuff for people right up until the anthem started. Wish I had brought something with me that day.
I'm disappointed in this. I want to go back to the days - and they weren't so long ago - when the Red Sox won the mythical "Best Farm System in Baseball" title.
His error today was a throwing error - one hopped a throw 1B couldn't come up with.
Nothing is ever good enuf for lauber. Or as it seems.
Same as a lot of folks here.
As far as bogaerts, it's now July 23. Bogaerts came up in late August. That's the heat of the pennant race. This isn't.
Need an MLB at first. Where do we find one with no broken toes.
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How can I enjoy it!!!??! Dumbrowski is just showcasing him for a trade to get a backup outfielder and Pharrell is so incompetent he'll bat him 8th instead of 7th and ruin his career.
Seems likely Devers won't be asked to play like a proper regular either. They've already suggested a platoon, and I can imagine him getting lifted late with a lead for Marrero's glove.
I just find the idea of a 20 year old playing in the MLB insane. i know it happens frequently, but as I get older (I'm only 32), it is more and more bizarre.
I didn't know expressing a simple sentiment about an impressive young player had to turn into a battle.
My bad.
This is pretty nuts. I saw him a number of times in Portland this spring, and he can definitely hit. Lots of hard contact, even on outs.
Defensively, watch him him coming in on bunts or poorly hit balls to his side. He doesn't throw well on the run. Saw him sail the first baseman more than once.
His hands are great.
And, as others have said, he really seems like a nice kid. Always had time for the kids in the front row and was always chatting up the umps and opposing players.
I'm rooting hard for him, but I wish he had a little more time to develop.
Defensively, watch him him coming in on bunts or poorly hit balls to his side. He doesn't throw well on the run. Saw him sail the first baseman more than once.
His hands are great.
And, as others have said, he really seems like a nice kid. Always had time for the kids in the front row and was always chatting up the umps and opposing players.
I'm rooting hard for him, but I wish he had a little more time to develop.
Me too. They won a ton of trophies with that title.
Best farm system? Great. Use the assets.
So you're talking in a "Holy crap, I'm 12 years older than that guy" kinda way, and not in a "Don't the Sox know how young he is?" kinda way?
Yes. In a "it's insane that 20 year olds make it through the system that fast" - then came the post that he would be the 7th oldest player in AA right now.
Very excited to see him play. I saw someone post that he should come up April 20th 2018 so we don't burn a year...but...fuck it.
I've done a 180 on this and now agree with this thinking. I also wonder what Dombrowski would do with the Celtics wealth of draft picks
I don't think Colorado will want him back. They have Arenado, Story, and Lemahieu as starters. Pat Valaika has been solid as backup. They have a top prospect in Ryan McMahon who is bouncing between 2nd and 3rd in AAA but blocked at both positions. Hell, they're even playing Desmond and Amarista in the outfield because they can't get playing time in the infield.
I expect Rutledge to head to Pawtucket
Does calling up Devers on July 23 really burn a year of free agency? Bogaerts made his debut on August 20, 2013 and won't be a free agent until 2020.
I don't recall the last time Red Sox management kept a potential impact player down to preserve a year of control. If anything they bring them up before they are finished products.
Moncada was clearly not ready. nor was Swihart or JBJ when he first came up. Beni jumped three levels in one year because left field was so poor. When they have holes, they don't shy away.
Moncada was clearly not ready. nor was Swihart or JBJ when he first came up. Beni jumped three levels in one year because left field was so poor. When they have holes, they don't shy away.
Griffey Jr, Ivan Rodriguez, A-Rod, Adrian Beltre, Mike Trout -- and going back a few years, a kid named Theodore Williams -- all up to MLB at 19-20. Sure, probably more negative comps. I prefer to dream on this kid's potential to be an all-time great, while hoping that he's just focused on being the best he can be each at-bat, each inning, each game. If he's just league average this year, that's a double positive for this team -- both superior to what's come before, and at no cost to the team in terms of prospects being traded for sub-optimal solutions.
Could we stop with the Dumbrowski thing? It was not funny the first time it was used and it defintely is not funny now. It is time that the next person that says "Dumbrowski" gets banned. I realize Joe Dokes you are being very sarcastic in this post. and am not specifically calling you out, but wanted to nip this in the bud.
If he stays up. Bogaerts stayed in the majors in 2014 and is a free agent after 2019.
But that's only an extra year if they otherwise would have delayed his 2014 call up until he wouldn't have gotten a full year in 2014. Same with Devers next year, if it isn't working out, they still can send him back down and delay his 2018 call up until he doesn't get the extra year.
As was pointed out up thread, this team does not have a history of using the Longoria/Bryant strategy of calling up a top prospect a few weeks into a season to save an extra year of team control, although the front office (but not ownership, which may be the determining factor here) has turned over since X came up. Is the likely incremental difference between Devers and Holt, for the rest of this year, worth losing a year of team control? And as for X, one could argue, given his 2014 season, that he was rushed.
I chose the lighter touch of sarcasm rather than a straight out "this is idiotic" when it was suggested that:
what's a reasonable projection for devers at the mlb? he (very likely) won't maintain his milb line, but even a considerable drop from that from that should be considerably better than holt. even if his strikeout rate increases and his average and obp suffer as a result, it seems like his hit tool and his ability to take a walk should keep his obp in line with what a healthy holt would offer while offering a lot more power. even a 250/320/430 line would be a huge improvement at third.
The list of bad players to make the big leagues in their teens include Edgar Rentaria and Luis Castillo. I know they were good players too. That's the point. When you expand it to 20, the list gets a little weaker.
edit: Age Gate was also a thing in the late 90's, early 00s. It's possible guys like Andruw Jones, Luis Castillo, Edgar Renteria, IRod and the like were actually 2-4 years older than reported and not 19. On the flip, Adrian Beltre was 2 years younger so he could sign earlier than his 16th birthday. IIRC, Rafael Furcal aged 2-3 years one off season.
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Rutledge would head to Albuquerque and would not even have to be on Colorado's 40 man roster. I think he's easily worth a spot on their AAA team, so if the Sox want to keep him their have to work out a trade.
Historically, Devers' plate discipline has been rather poor. Plus he's 20, and has never faced MLB quality breaking pitches.
I frankly do not expect more than a .260/.300/.380 line from Devers this season. Sadly, that's better than I expect out of any of the other options than Lin, whose swing path looked good for contact in MLB, although it also looked like it would limit him to 3-5 HR per 600 PA.
I don't really understand this move, to be honest. The Sox need a middle of the order bat, but it's unreasonable to think a 20 year old just out of AA is going to provide that.
They could just chose to keep the $25,000 or w/e it is nowadays to purchase a Rule 5 player back.
But where is the middle of the order bat who can play 3rd? That person just isn't out there. I think the move is for a 1B now.