David Price 2017
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Well, unless he "slept funny" on his arm or decided that, if a prescription called for him to take two pills, then taking four should be twice as helpful.
Worth noting that -- unless this is a very minor blip -- this all but assures Price's contract will be 7/$217 and not the 3/$91 some posters were claiming it represented (due to the opt out). Gulp.
Not directed at you guys -- I miss it when this message board was a lot more like "IT'S NOT MY MONEY!" when posters suggested fiscal restraint. Now suddenly we're all rational about our $$$ when Henry's like "can't go over the lux tax."
I think it's the exact opposite of this. His contract security would seem to make it more likely that he'll just get it taken care of now. Why dick around and risk further damage.
If he is indeed out for 2017, it doesn't seem crazy to think he may come back, have a strong final 4 months of 2018, and still opt out. Once you're back from TJ, you're back for good, usually.
It's interesting that Price requested a second opinion before they've gotten the results of the MRI. Is that normal? I was under the impression that they usually made an initial diagnosis and if it looked poor they'd send him to Andrews, et al. Is the visit Price being paranoid/protective of his arm or would they have been able to make a worthy diagnosis without the imaging?
That is possible, but it seems really unlikely to happen. Some other team would have to want to give more than 4/$120M to a soon-to-be 33-year-old based on 3-4 months post-TJ performance.
Whilst bemoaning this news and much gnashing of teeth over its impact on Price's op-out - its worth remembering that the Opt-Out was DD's idea and not Price's.
Lauber:
From ESPN Stats & Info: David Price's average fastball velocity (92.8 mph) and maximum fastball velocity (96.3) last season were both career-lows.
Over the last three seasons, David Price leads all pitchers in innings (733.1), batters faced (2,992) and pitches thrown (11,225).
From ESPN Stats & Info: David Price's average fastball velocity (92.8 mph) and maximum fastball velocity (96.3) last season were both career-lows.
Over the last three seasons, David Price leads all pitchers in innings (733.1), batters faced (2,992) and pitches thrown (11,225).
Terrible news. We should be looking at Fister as a potential addition to the rotation, 230 innings is a lot of innings to cover this year, not to mention the additional stress on our bullpen.
Guys it's okay, the Patriots won the Super Bowl by erasing a 25 point deficit in the second half and winning in OT.
But in all seriousness, my fingers are crossed that this is a 2013 Lackey type instance where it looks/sounds bad and ends up being nothing. Not optimistic though because seeing Dr. Andrews is not a good sign as others have noted.
But in all seriousness, my fingers are crossed that this is a 2013 Lackey type instance where it looks/sounds bad and ends up being nothing. Not optimistic though because seeing Dr. Andrews is not a good sign as others have noted.
How is this not noticed at all until now? If he has a pre-existing issue from all the heavy usage, you would think that at some point during the off season work outs he threw a baseball with intent. And yet it's not a problem until 10 days into ST?
Fortunately, we can look at Sale as the rotation replacement before Fister.
This news sucks, no doubt. But the Sox still have a very strong rotation, as long as there aren't any additional injuries of 60-day DL severity amongst them.
Well yeah, he didn't feel pain until he felt pain. Sometimes shit just happens and isn't negligence or a conspiracy.
I'm not so sure. Don't guys who have successfully come back from TJ have pretty much the same risk of injury as anyone else? If he puts up 4 months of an ERA+ of 130 with underlying numbers that are equally impressive, I think it will be as if the TJ never happened, and whether or not he's worthy of 4/120 will depend on how much salaries have escalated.
Well, you know, you're not hurt until it...hurts.
Edit: sort of the same as BMHH mentioned.
If Price is DL'd, we should absolutely offer Fister a ml deal, but these ideas floating around about dealing Devers for Quintana (they're out there) have to stop. Pomeranz and Rodriguez are going to have to step up.
But what are the odds that the results are not 100% conclusive, so they try rest and rehab for a couple of months, instead of Price going under the knife tomorrow? What if he bounces back somewhat, feels better, then blows out his elbow in July?
I think it's far more likely that if he has significant elbow problems, the Sox are on the hook for the full contract, and that they'll effectively lose 2 full seasons of Price through postponing surgery, rehab, and Price finding his groove again.
Though there's a zeroish chance if he's injured and requires TJ surgery, that he might opt out anyway, sign a one year "show me" contract, and hit the FA market on the strength of that one year rebound. Um. Nah, make that a "zero chance."
http://www.sbnation.com/2017/3/2/14790838/david-price-injury-dr-james-andrews-second-opinion
This guy compiled a list of pitchers who went for a second opinion from James Andrews. The results are... not good.
This guy compiled a list of pitchers who went for a second opinion from James Andrews. The results are... not good.
True, but Price clearly looked off last year and was showing signs of a major injury with his velocity stats. The bigger question is whether there's been pain since last year (or perhaps longer) and he hid it because he wanted his contract and/or didn't want to look bad sitting out his first season after the big deal. I personally don't believe this is new to Price. This entire thing reminds me of Lackey, though they at least had some idea there and had some protection (which they squandered).
Sure, if he doesn't have surgery until July, it's a completely different situation. I was only talking about the scenario where surgery is within a few weeks and he's back in the rotation in 14 months. Yu Darvish is the model; in 2015 he made a spring start on March 5, left with soreness, had surgery March 17, came back on May 28 of 2016 and made 17 starts in 2016 with an ERA+ of 133.
There is no chance they don't have the results (or at least one interpretation of the results). It takes less than 10 minutes to read an elbow MRI and far less time to figure out whats up with the UCL. I am fairly confident when David Price's images were completed they were interpreted right away, and they didn't go to the end of the line behind Joe Schmoe's tennis elbow.
Having said that, there are many other factors at play. Unless the UCL is clearly totally trashed or totally normal, there is some subjectivity to deciding on the severity a partial UCL tear and/or common flexor tendon injury, plus the MRI needs to be correlated with the clinical exam and symptoms.
I'm sure the Red Sox have some idea whats up, we can only hope the overall prognosis at this point is encouraging and seeing Andrews is just to make sure he agrees with a plan of rest. Of course there is also a chance they are worried he is screwed and are just awaiting Andrews to sign off on the surgery.
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Just got back from a very uncomfortable lunch with a long time business partner who has basically decided to stab me in the back to find this news waiting from me on the PC. Its shaping up to be a really crappy day...
Sorry to hear this but I wouldn't remove the knife until you got a second opinion from Dr. Andrews.
Price going down isn't really making Clay Buchholz any better of a 6th man option or bankable insurance policy then he was before.
At $13m I'd still want to see DD taking a pass there.
Hey, the first player on that list made it back by July. One out of what, like 40? I choose to be optimistic!
You can argue whether the Red Sox could have done better if they were willing to hit the tax for a 6th man, but if my option is Henry Owens or Clay Buchholz pitching meaningful games for a playoff contender, I'm rolling the dice with CB 100% of the time.
But regardless, while I disagreed with DD pulling the trigger on a Buchholz move before March, the bigger concern is that we have a tremendous amount of equity tied up in a few arms. Assuming something happens with Price to force him out of 2017, the Sox are effectively working with a -$30m payroll offset. There should be very real concern that a longterm Price injury (i.e., TJS) could seriously handicap the Red Sox for the next 3+ years, which is one of the huge risks with tying up so much $$$ in a SP and then not having reliable options (even at reduced value rates) behind them.
Bullpen depth has to help here too, right? If Sale and Porcello can eat a lot of innings, then whoever steps in for Price wouldn't need to get past the 6th.
Thanks for this, really helpful. Seems like it might have just been poor phrasing in the article if they could see results that soon.
Basing this on just the timing, etc, but this feels more like a flexor/pronator strain that keeps Price on the sidelines for a few weeks as opposed to a UCL tear
