Dan Shaughnessy: Taking a dump in your mouth one column at a time

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The 1985 Bears had an easy schedule. The 1984 49ers slate was even easier than that. The 49ers in the old NFC West had a generally easy list of opponents when they were a Dynasty. The recent and current Colts teams have had a total joke division. I'm sure Shank brings this up all the time when evaluating things fairly. :)
 

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Pretty sure the AFC East has the second best overall winning percentage of the 8 divisions. Not sure if that will hold up, but it's true up to this point. But Dan's never let the facts get in the way of a good story.
 

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Dan turned in a strong article yesterday on Bruce Hurst and a mostly strong article today on Price. The Hurst article was an enjoyable puff piece and the Price article was much more enjoyable than I expected. I thought I'd be reading crying about the money along the lines of Mike Felger on last night's CSNNE show.

The CHB used a nice little turn of phrase when discussing Ortiz and Price being on the same team: "It will be fun watching Price and Ortiz attempt to remove themselves from this big bowl of awkward."

I think that's overstated in that two competitors who want to win will likely be able to get past this very quickly, but I still liked the "big bowl of awkward" usage. Yeah, it's kind of a cliche, but it fit nicely.

But Dan being Dan, he had to eventually take a dump in our mouths.

Price is a different cat. He is not like Manny, Foulke, or Pablo Sandoval. He is sensitive. He made himself an enemy of Red Sox Nation when he rightfully called out David Ortiz for pimping home runs in 2014. He said Ortiz thinks he is “bigger than the game.’’ Big Papi, in turn, said he had “no respect” for Price and called Price a “little girl.’’
There was nothing "rightful" about that. It stemmed from when Ortiz hit two homers off Price in Game 2 of the 2013 ALDS. One was down the right field line and Ortiz waited for the homer call before slowly running around the bases. The other was a blast and Ortiz also slowly rounded the bases, as he always does.

Price chose in the post-game press conference to deflect his own crap performance with an attack on David. Ortiz is an easy mark as his slow trot does grate on some purists and opposing fans, but it was more than understandable that Ortiz would pause before running when the ball might have been ruled foul. And the trot is what it is, and there was nothing special or different that night as compared to every other homer David hit that year except for him waiting on the umpire's call.

Make no mistake, Dan going to the Ortiz-Price angle was fair game. It almost wrote itself. That these two former combatants will be on the same team is interesting and worth discussing, regardless of how awkward the problem actually is. Price did throw in early 2014 at Ortiz after they had supposedly made up in the off season. That was kind of weird because I think most people thought it was over, and it was several months later. At minimum, there will be a conversation to clear the air, and that itself is worth mentioning.

But Dan did not need to use this legitimate aspect of the story to further his agenda about "pimping" and David being "rightfully" called out. And yes, as a columnist, he's entitled to his opinion. I just think that there's a good chance that his opinion is based on the butt hurt he must feel at David's consistent razzing of him.
 

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What did you expect? He's a miserable man with miserable mean-spirited things to say and that's never going to change. He last offered real insight around 1985, and has been coasting ever since on the classic New England need to be berated for wanting nice things.

He's a detestable asshole and he always will be, so him shitting on Ortiz at this juncture is to be expected.

Just ignore him. Don't give the Globe your clicks and don't buy the paper, and if they send you a survey tell them why.
 

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What did you expect? He's a miserable man with miserable mean-spirited things to say and that's never going to change. He last offered real insight around 1985, and has been coasting ever since on the classic New England need to be berated for wanting nice things.

He's a detestable asshole and he always will be, so him shitting on Ortiz at this juncture is to be expected.

Just ignore him. Don't give the Globe your clicks and don't buy the paper, and if they send you a survey tell them why.
I'm going to continue to read the Globe. Despite the decrease in quality, I still manage to learn some things from their sports coverage and as an out of town Boston fan, it's a convenient first port of call in the morning (along with SoSH).

I stopped reading Dan for about six months. I did not miss him. But like a traffic accident, for some illogical reason, I can't always look away. He's part of the Boston sports landscape and has been for decades. And he also sometimes turns in some good work. The column on Hurst was nothing but fun. Yep, he is what you said he is, but he's also talented. There's something I find interesting about a strong take on this deal that is ultimately ruined by Dan's all too obvious anti-Ortiz agenda.
 

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I'm afraid reading one of his articles is like walking through a mine field. At some point there is a name or an event associated with the subject matter that causes him to go off.
 

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Dan Shaughnessy: 2016 J.G. Taylor Spink Award winner. He's a Baseball Hall of Famer. Must have been up against some real tomato cans.
 

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Dan turned in a strong article yesterday on Bruce Hurst and a mostly strong article today on Price. The Hurst article was an enjoyable puff piece and the Price article was much more enjoyable than I expected. I thought I'd be reading crying about the money along the lines of Mike Felger on last night's CSNNE show.

The CHB used a nice little turn of phrase when discussing Ortiz and Price being on the same team: "It will be fun watching Price and Ortiz attempt to remove themselves from this big bowl of awkward."

I think that's overstated in that two competitors who want to win will likely be able to get past this very quickly, but I still liked the "big bowl of awkward" usage. Yeah, it's kind of a cliche, but it fit nicely.

But Dan being Dan, he had to eventually take a dump in our mouths.


There was nothing "rightful" about that. It stemmed from when Ortiz hit two homers off Price in Game 2 of the 2013 ALDS. One was down the right field line and Ortiz waited for the homer call before slowly running around the bases. The other was a blast and Ortiz also slowly rounded the bases, as he always does.

Price chose in the post-game press conference to deflect his own crap performance with an attack on David. Ortiz is an easy mark as his slow trot does grate on some purists and opposing fans, but it was more than understandable that Ortiz would pause before running when the ball might have been ruled foul. And the trot is what it is, and there was nothing special or different that night as compared to every other homer David hit that year except for him waiting on the umpire's call.

Make no mistake, Dan going to the Ortiz-Price angle was fair game. It almost wrote itself. That these two former combatants will be on the same team is interesting and worth discussing, regardless of how awkward the problem actually is. Price did throw in early 2014 at Ortiz after they had supposedly made up in the off season. That was kind of weird because I think most people thought it was over, and it was several months later. At minimum, there will be a conversation to clear the air, and that itself is worth mentioning.

But Dan did not need to use this legitimate aspect of the story to further his agenda about "pimping" and David being "rightfully" called out. And yes, as a columnist, he's entitled to his opinion. I just think that there's a good chance that his opinion is based on the butt hurt he must feel at David's consistent razzing of him.
CHB has been awful for years. But he went overboard unreadable after the Sox won in 2004. He made a career off "The Curse" books, articles etc...Big Papi is a huge reason as to why he cannot write these books anymore. Obviously if he had any talent then logic dictates that you would be able to get over the hump of being a one trick pony. I think it doesn't take a genius to figure out why he's taken shots at players from that 2004 team when he gets a chance. Francona is different as Dan wrote the book with him but I still feel like he harbors resentment towards some of these players. Maybe I'm wrong about the 2004 title team thing, maybe he just doesn't like Dominican players. Who knows? He's just an awful writer who should have been put out to the back of the barn 20 years ago.
 

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Dan Shaughnessy: 2016 J.G. Taylor Spink Award winner. He's a Baseball Hall of Famer. Must have been up against some real tomato cans.
Just for my own edification because I need to see this written out somewhere, let me say that while the Spink award is given by the BBWAA, and the presentation of the award is held at the Hall of Fame induction ceremony, SHAUGHNESSY IS IN NO WAY BEING INDUCTED OR ENSHRINED INTO THE BASEBALL HALL OF FAME. People say that Spink award recipients are in the HoFers all the time, but they are no way in the hall of fame any more than baseball players like Sadaharu Oh is or Pete Rose are, in that their names are spelled out on some type of surface in some location within the walls of the HoF builiding, or the way Dustin Pedroia is a HoFer because his name is written on a plaque of past MVP award-winners within the HoF, or the way any one of us would be HoFers if we scrawled our names on the stall door of the HoF mens room.
 

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Well, if this news is true, and I am choosing for now not to believe it, he is going to be referred to as "Hall of Famer Dan Shaughnessey" from now on so you better stock up on capital letters.
 

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Just for my own edification because I need to see this written out somewhere, let me say that while the Spink award is given by the BBWAA, and the presentation of the award is held at the Hall of Fame induction ceremony, SHAUGHNESSY IS IN NO WAY BEING INDUCTED OR ENSHRINED INTO THE BASEBALL HALL OF FAME. People say that Spink award recipients are in the HoFers all the time, but they are no way in the hall of fame any more than baseball players like Sadaharu Oh is or Pete Rose are, in that their names are spelled out on some type of surface in some location within the walls of the HoF builiding, or the way Dustin Pedroia is a HoFer because his name is written on a plaque of past MVP award-winners within the HoF, or the way any one of us would be HoFers if we scrawled our names on the stall door of the HoF mens room.
He will be referred to for the rest of his life as "Hall of Fame writer Dan Shaughnessy".
 

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He will be referred to for the rest of his life as "Hall of Fame writer Dan Shaughnessy".
I know. But I will continue my quixotic, one-man losing battle against it to the grave. The grave, you hear me!? I'VE GOT ALL THE CAPITOL LETTERS IN THE WORLD!!! HAHAHA NO ONE CAN STOP ME EXCEPT THE ENTIRE BASEBALL MEDIA COMPLEX AND YEARS OF INACCURATE, UNCORRECTED PRECEDENT AND THE WINKING CONDONEMENT OF EVERY OTHER BASEBALL WRITER ON EARTH!!! HAHAHAHHHHAAHAH! <dies>
 
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I know. But I will continue my quixotic, one-man losing battle against it to the grave. The grave, you hear me!? I'VE GOT ALL THE CAPITOL LETTERS IN THE WORLD!!! HAHAHA NO ONE CAN STOP ME EXCEPT THE ENTIRE BASEBALL MEDIA COMPLEX AND YEARS OF INACCURATE PRECEDENT!!

He beat a dead guy (Bisher - d.2012) and one who doesn't write in English (Vene).
 
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I still remember the horror of opening the Globe sports section after the final loss of the season prior to 2014 and knowing that the Shank 'you are all idiots for rooting for the Sox' column was in there.

I also still remember the mailed in rah-rah jobs that he did during the 2014 WS.
 

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My favorite columns from the 2004 championship run were from Tom Boswell. I really don't remember much of anything that Shaughnessy wrote that month, other than his bitter column after ALCS game 3 when he proclaimed "For the 86th consecutive year, the Red Sox are not going to win the World Series."
 

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Dan Shaughnessy: 2016 J.G. Taylor Spink Award winner.
Unbelievable.
Simply unbelievable.

The fact that he continued to have a job after 2004 was unbelievable.
The fact that he even had a job for the number of years preceding that was unbelievable.

And by "unbelievable," I mean "disgusting."

I'll try to keep this post free of personal attacks, but, I've personally not read an article of his since at least 1999 - and likely well before, but it's been a conscious choice to completely avoid them since then.
And any time someone quoted anything from one has just reinforced why.


What did you expect? He's a miserable man with miserable mean-spirited things to say and that's never going to change. He last offered real insight around 1985, and has been coasting ever since on the classic New England need to be berated for wanting nice things.

He's a detestable asshole and he always will be, so him shitting on Ortiz at this juncture is to be expected.

Just ignore him. Don't give the Globe your clicks and don't buy the paper, and if they send you a survey tell them why.
I also whole-heartedly support everything in this post.
 

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My favorite columns from the 2004 championship run were from Tom Boswell. I really don't remember much of anything that Shaughnessy wrote that month, other than his bitter column after ALCS game 3 when he proclaimed "For the 86th consecutive year, the Red Sox are not going to win the World Series."
The last good thing Dan Shaughnessy ever did was write that post-Game 3 column, if only so he'd be target #1 for Millar's "don't let us win tonight" rant prior to Game 4.
 

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Keith Law was asked for his thoughts on Shaughnessy "getting into the HOF".

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The Spink Award is not "getting into the HOF" and the award's lost all credibility in recent years.

Covers everyone's sentiments posted here. :)
 

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I would not wipe my ass with CHB's columns - I have more respect for my ass than that - but I will say that his game stories from the 2004 playoffs were stellar.

(I echo the love for Boswell, too. And I think most of those are still available through a Goggle search.)
 

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I would not wipe my ass with CHB's columns - I have more respect for my ass than that - but I will say that his game stories from the 2004 playoffs were stellar.
Your ass is your business, but I agree about the 2004 game stories.
 

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If you work someplace long enough, you'll win it. All this really means is we should just go ahead and change the title of the Cafardo thread now. It's coming...

"Way above my intellectual capacity" AKA the Wisdom of Future Hall of Fame Baseball Writer Nick Cafardo

 

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Just remember, the BBWAA is the group that chose to bestow their highest writing honor on Murray Chass a decade before they finally got around to recognizing Roger Angell.
 

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He beat a dead guy (Bisher - d.2012) and one who doesn't write in English (Vene).
Juan Vene consistently turns in the most moronic Hall of Fame ballot every year, even worse than no-roids guys like CHB. So I guess I agree with the voters on that front.

Keith Law had a Twitter rant about the Spink Award the other day and it's true. There aren't enough good baseball writers around to justify giving the award every year. He wanted to stop it entirely, which I disagree with, but it's basically true. Look at the list of winners in the 2000s and there's a bunch of real shitty writers who just hung around long enough to get the award.
 

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Juan Vene consistently turns in the most moronic Hall of Fame ballot every year, even worse than no-roids guys like CHB. So I guess I agree with the voters on that front.

Keith Law had a Twitter rant about the Spink Award the other day and it's true. There aren't enough good baseball writers around to justify giving the award every year. He wanted to stop it entirely, which I disagree with, but it's basically true. Look at the list of winners in the 2000s and there's a bunch of real shitty writers who just hung around long enough to get the award.
Spink was the first winner of the award. That says something, but I'm not sure what. Perhaps the award should have been retired when The Sporting News went under.
 

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I have to wonder if he has annoyed anyone to the point that they would go to Cooperstown to boo at his induction. That seems like a lot of work, but people are pretty crazy. Doing something like that seems right up Barstool Sports' alley, but I'm assuming those guys wouldn't risk losing their press credentials to do that.
 

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On Sunday Dan told us that the Pats' problems transcend their injuries. How or why that is, he did not share.

It’s most unusual to see the Patriots playing worse in December than they did in September and October. But it has happened. And it’s not merely because of injured players.
Now that the Pats won and got help from the Steelers and Raiders, he's back to the "it all lines up for the Pats" theme so we will likely never know what the CHB was referring to there. Not that I expected him to have any unique insights on that score.
 

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Following your logic, Durgin Park is a "Must-Try" restaurant, since it's been part of the "Boston restaurant scene" for almost 200 years. I'd sooner eat a run-over squirrel I'd scraped off the road.
That's fine. I salute those who can and do look away. It makes sense.

I've been reading Dan forever, his articles are featured prominently on the framed Boston Globe sports pages that adorn my office and TV room and for now at least, I will continue to punish myself. Like perhaps others with Nick Cafardo and Peter King, I have to admit that I somewhat enjoy finding and pointing out his consistent foolishness.
 

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Good call by Shank on "This Texans team feels different" column on Sunday. My dad still buys the paper. I read the first three graphs because they were on the front of the sports section. He couldn't have been more wrong.
 

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On HoF voting we first get the obligatory:
And woe is the old scribe who values things like wins and RBIs.Trust me when I tell you that hell hath no fury like the wrath of the Bill James Blog Boys toward any voter who fails to worship at the altar of Wins Above Replacement.
But then:
The next best new name of this year’s ballot is Trevor Hoffman. Sorry, no soup for him or his one million saves. Loved his brother Glenn, a Sox infielder, and his dad, a singing usher at the Big A, but I believe saves are overrated, especially in the era in which Hoffman pitched.
So, Griffey, Schilling, Raines and Trammnel. And no one he suspected or knew of PEDs.


At least he gives his reasoning in public
 

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Plus he says Bagwell and Piazza are on his accused of PEDs list even though neither has ever been named on any sort of list at all. And he doesn't think Edgar Martinez (2000+ games of 147 OPS+) as worthy because he was never "a dominant slugger of his era," which of course is not a HoF pre-requisite.
 

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Plus he says Bagwell and Piazza are on his accused of PEDs list even though neither has ever been named on any sort of list at all. And he doesn't think Edgar Martinez (2000+ games of 147 OPS+) as worthy because he was never "a dominant slugger of his era," which of course is not a HoF pre-requisite.
Aren't we supposed to ignore this "miserable man with miserable mean-spirited things to say"? :)
 

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Plus he says Bagwell and Piazza are on his accused of PEDs list even though neither has ever been named on any sort of list at all. And he doesn't think Edgar Martinez (2000+ games of 147 OPS+) as worthy because he was never "a dominant slugger of his era," which of course is not a HoF pre-requisite.
So, Bagwell and Piazza are not HOFers because they hit too many home runs (which means they were on steroids). Edgar is not a HOFer because he didn't hit enough (if he had, it would have been because he was on steroids). Incredible.