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Discussion in 'BYTE ME: Technology discussion' started by LoweTek, May 29, 2009.

  1. foulkehampshire

    foulkehampshire hillbilly suburbanite SoSH Member

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    So your connection to verizon's network comes in from the street (or ground) to a box typically located either outside your dwelling, in your garage, or basement/closet etc. This is called an Optical Network Terminal, which converts optical signals to RF, MoCA/data frequencies. Think of it as a modem and network interface device in one bulky package.
    Your router (gateway if you went with the VZ hookup) is connected to this box, typically via coaxial cable.

    You can change the data output from your ONT -> Router from coaxial to Ethernet (cat5e). This would allow you to take advantage of a utilizing a larger pool of network hardware. If you decided that you did not want to rent/use a Verizon gateway router...since most routers don't have coaxial connections. You also would have the added reliability of separating your cable TV and internet streams so you wouldn't lose both if say - a splitter went bad (they do) or some idiot cut/damaged your cable run. (and vice versa)
     
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  3. Joe Sixpack

    Joe Sixpack Well-Known Member Lifetime Member SoSH Member

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    The ONT is the box Verizon installs in your house that connects the fiber coming in from outside and turns it into something you can use inside.

    Normally they run a coax cable from that ONT box into the Verizon wifi router, but you can ask them to instead run an ethernet cable for that connection. This makes it much easier to install your own router later since you can then just connect that ethernet into your router.

    Edit: guess I was typing too long... Already answered.
     
  4. tims4wins

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    Again, thanks.

    Will the ethernet cable as opposed to the coax affect internet speed? I don’t ever plan to go back to cable so I am all about maximizing speed in terms of both coax vs ethernet, and the router I use. I will definitely use Verizon’s router if it will optimize the speed, but unsure if that is the case (I would think their own router would optimize their own network, but maybe they sandbag it so people upgrade to the gigabit speed?!).
     
  5. NortheasternPJ

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    No. Get Ethernet.
     
  6. Joe Sixpack

    Joe Sixpack Well-Known Member Lifetime Member SoSH Member

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    No, it won't. The only thing it will do is ensure Verizon will make an extra $10 a month off you.
     
  7. tims4wins

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    Yeah I figured that would be the case. Ok. I’ll be buying a router ASAP
     
  8. foulkehampshire

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    They're not very good. Generally speaking any router you rent from your ISP is trash. The VZ ones are okay-mediocre but the signal strength is decidedly lacking and you really want something with external antennas that you can manipulate to increase coverage.

    Get any Linksys/Netgear dual-band router with wireless-AC standards and its going to be a huge upgrade. It'll pay for itself in less than a couple years.

    Might I recommend a Linksys WRT 1900ACS? It's not exactly cheap (150-200 bucks) but its a very well made piece of hardware and easy to setup with smart functionality. It has a decent amount of ports and if you are interested in tinkering with network configs its super easy to flash with open source firmware like DD-WRT. For what it offers its a great mid-range budget router.
     
  9. tims4wins

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    Again thanks. Verizon’s router is like $10/month or $150 to buy so $150-$200 isn’t unreasonable. That being said I’m (obviously) not particularly tech savvy so I don’t see myself “tinkering” with things in the future - given that, is there something more in the $75-$100 range I should be looking at? I guess I can just search for the Netgear / Linksys dual band ones you suggested.
     
  10. foulkehampshire

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    TP Link Archer C1200 would probably offer what you need.

    It runs for around $50 on Amazon, if you have prime. I'm sure Best Buy or any similar store would carry it for around the $50-75 mark.
     
  11. tims4wins

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    Awesome. You the man. I have Prime that sounds perfect.

    SoSH, helping us all save for retirement one dollar at a time.
     
  12. tims4wins

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    Going back to this, and sorry for all of the questions - I truly appreciate all the help.

    If I order the TP Link Archer C1200, and have it with me when the tech arrives, are you saying (s)he won't be able to install? That I need to choose the rental option then just return it? I thought I just needed to tell them to run the ethernet cable as opposed to the coax and I would be able to hook it up. Please advise. Thanks!!
     
  13. foulkehampshire

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    I dunno, I think you can roll either way and be fine.

    However...it does make it a tad bit easier and if you're going with a new install they're contractually obligated to ensure your home network is up and running. That's probably worth the $10 for the initial month rental.
     
  14. tims4wins

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    That makes sense. Does it matter at all that the previous owner also had Fios?
     
  15. foulkehampshire

    foulkehampshire hillbilly suburbanite SoSH Member

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    Saves you a few hours since they don't have to run fiber to your house.
     
  16. tims4wins

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    Gotcha. Thanks. I'll select the rental option for peace of mind (and in case my router order doesn't arrive in time, ha).
     
  17. TFP

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    Yeah - I wasn't there for the install and when I got there, I realized they used the coax to go into the router, not Ethernet. Any thoughts on how best to remedy that?
     
  18. foulkehampshire

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    Call VZ tech support. Perhaps if you're nice enough they'll waive a service fee but telco's don't typically bend over backwards once they get your cash. If they have to spend a few hours running 25-50 feet of cat5e you're gonna get nicked for materials & labor.
     
  19. TFP

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    Wait I'm confused by this. I can call them for sure, but are you saying they have to run the cat5e to hookup to Ethernet? My router is currently right next to the ONT, I can't imagine they would need to run that much. I'll see what they say though.
     
  20. Joe Sixpack

    Joe Sixpack Well-Known Member Lifetime Member SoSH Member

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    Pretty sure they can just activate the port remotely.
     
  21. timlinin8th

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    They can, getting someone in technical support who is more than a glorified answering service reading from a script is the trick though.
     
  22. foulkehampshire

    foulkehampshire hillbilly suburbanite SoSH Member

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    Correct. Connect an ethernet wan from your ONT to the router and call it in. Its all done remotely.
     
  23. TFP

    TFP Dope Dope

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    Ah ok - that makes sense. Once I get settled I'll give it a shot. Thanks!
     
  24. doctormoist

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    Using PlayStationVue now in RI, but all the network affiliates are On Demand, nothing is live.

    When the Celtics make the Finals, the games will be on ABC. Without having to spring for an antenna just for this, what would be the best way to watch? Does the ABC app on Apple TV support live streaming?
     
  25. edoug

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    I think you need a cable or satellite subscription to watch live tv on the abc app.

    https://www.cordcuttersnews.com/how-to-watch-the-nba-playoffs-on-roku-fire-tv-apple-tv-more/

    You may only need a cheap antenna.
    http://www.tvfool.com/index.php?option=com_wrapper&Itemid=29

    There are a lot of factors and I have no idea which is the best solution for you. I wish I could be more help.
     
  26. Brohamer of the Gods

    Brohamer of the Gods Well-Known Member Silver Supporter SoSH Member

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    Yeah, I can get all of the RI ota channels with an old set of rabbit ears in Warwick.
     
  27. JerBear

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    Is it streaming on ESPN3? The weekend ABC games in the regular season were if my memory is accurate (not a great chance).
     
  28. tims4wins

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    Thanks again everyone. I went with the Fios 100 and the TP Link Archer 1200. The Verizon tech said they are actually instructed to install the ethernet cat5 and not the coax. So far so good on signal - getting 85+ everywhere in the house consistently. I’m away for the weekend so haven’t actually started YouTubeTV but will report back when I get that going. Picture has been crystal clear for things like Netflix and Amazon Prime streaming though.

    Edit: it was no issue not renting their router for a month either. We tested my router then he left.
     
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  29. Joe Sixpack

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    Vue is considered a cable subscription, most of the apps for various channels work just fine and allow you to use your Vue login.
     
  30. Dernells Casket n Flagon

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    Just a quick warning on the TP Link Archer, I had the Archer AC1750, which is a slightly upgraded version of the 1200 that you have. It was absolutely amazing for about a year. Between a year and a two years, I noticed it would sporadically lose connections for a short period of time then seemingly reconnect without a problem. I made sure the firmware was all set and upgraded, and continued to have problems. Did some research and found out that this router appears to frequently burn out between 1-2 years. If you look up the 1 star reviews on Amazon or TP Link's website you'll see a lot of people that said it worked great for a period and then failed on them. For the price, it may be worth it to treat it as disposable and upgrade when it dies, but just be on the lookout for the signs when it's failing. I ended up spending more money and going with Asus RT-AC68U.
     
  31. tims4wins

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    Thanks for the heads up
     
  32. Couperin47

    Couperin47 Well-Known Member Silver Supporter SoSH Member

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    This is typical of many inexpensive routers these days: hints to delay it frying itself:
    1. do NOT lay it flat or against a wall, up on edge improves the ventilation.
    2. Many actually drill larger holes in the case, being careful not to damage any metal antennas afixed to the case itself.
     
  33. Joe Sixpack

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    I just got the following email from Vue:

    To catch the NBA Finals action live through the ESPN App, download the ESPN App on your favorite device and Select "PlayStationVue" as the TV provider when prompted. Enter your PSN username and password and start watching the NBA Finals, live.
     
  34. tims4wins

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    Thanks, I propped it up a bit today

    The picture on YouTubeTV is crystal clear so far both in the main living room and the basement. I’m super pleased with what I am getting for $80/month plus the one time router of $50 and one time Roku (for the non-smart TV of $50). Thanks everyone!
     
  35. NortheasternPJ

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    Same thing here. Very frustrating.
     
  36. Couperin47

    Couperin47 Well-Known Member Silver Supporter SoSH Member

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    To elaborate on what I said above, you can look at this several ways. The entire universe of current home routers is based on chipsets from basically 2 companies at this point variations from their 'suggested prototypes' are minimal, while firmware used by each manufacturer can be all over the place. Open up any of them and you would think nobody had ever heard of the existence of heatsinks. Design using these and modify cases to allow for decent ventilation and the problem goes away. Now doing both of these things would not add even $1 to the cost of producing any of these designs. OTOH making a modem that will perform flawlessly for a decade is probably silly, unless all your other technology is 10 years old, advances in wireless make this a pointless goal. 5 years is probably good enough...the fact that some of these designs are cooking themselves in 3 years falls squarely into the 'shamefully deliberately designed obsolescence' category and consumers should not reward such companies with their purchase.
     
  37. NortheasternPJ

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    My Archer lasted about 15 months. It’s in a cool area of the house too. If it was 3 years old I wouldn’t care. I don’t find that acceptable. The eero on the other hand has been great.
     
  38. finnVT

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    So our two year agreement on an expensive FIOS plan (~$180/mo) just ended, and we're planning to drop TV. There's lots of deals for new customers that we'd be willing to do ($40/mo for 100/100, $80/mo for gigabit+a low tier TV package, etc), but after just talking to them, they don't seem willing to offer us any of those to stay (they quoted $70/mo for 100/100 alone, or $110/mo for gigabit alone, neither of which counts the router, etc). I actually like FIOS and would prefer to keep it than move to comcast (who has a $50/mo 100/100+TV deal). Are there any other tricks to try to get them to offer us these (or other) deals? Can I just sign up a new account in my wife's name?
     
  39. Vinho Tinto

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    You may have to go thru the process of ending your service and then resubscribing as a new user. I have Spectrum and there is no contract. If you can confirm that it’s the same with Comcast, you can possibly leverage that if you speak to a FIOS CSR.
     
  40. Chainsaw318

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    Hey, dropping in here as I move to a new place and am going through getting a new cable deal. This forum helped me pick a greater router and modem last time I moved.

    I see the recommendations for the TP Link Archer routers, what about modems?
     
  41. cgori

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    I have a CM500:

    https://thewirecutter.com/reviews/best-cable-modem/

    Edit: if you are getting gigabit you may need a docsis 3.1 modem as described in the article. Those are usually Arris or Moto.
     
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  42. Dernells Casket n Flagon

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    Make sure you read the few posts up about the Archer having known failure issues.
     
  43. Buffalo Head

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    So we started PSVue with Chromecast a couple months ago, and after a great start we are experiencing some recurring problems that are making me re-think it.

    The main issue is that almost anytime we try to watch a show live at its start time, or within two or three minutes after the start time, PSV kicks us out after about three seconds. We sometimes have to try starting a show 7 or 8 times before it finally stays connected. Anyone else experience this?

    We also have skipping issues, back and forth, on DVR shows.
     
  44. Joe Sixpack

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  45. edoug

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    Not exactly the same problem but it might help.

    https://productforums.google.com/forum/#!topic/chromecast/FPa5dLlEdlY

    "All PS Vue channels are able to play on my tablet or phone, but when I try to cast using my chromecast I get the message

    Thanks for watching!
    Please select another program to continue vueing.

    I chatted with Sony and they sent me through some pretty standard stuff:
    uninstall/reinstall vue
    reset the chromecast
    double check wifi networks are the same."
     
  46. Buffalo Head

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    Thanks Doug. I've found that's kind of their default setting for inquiries. I should probably note that we don't have any issues with Netflix, Hulu, FoxSportsGo, etc. Its only PSVue that does it.
     
  47. Joe Sixpack

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    Anyone else not able to view MLB network on PS Vue?

    "This program is unavailable. Don't worry - your device and Playstation Vue are working properly, but we have not been granted permission to stream certain programs over the internet."

    I've tried multiple times with different shows over the last few days. Same message every time.
     
  48. Joe Sixpack

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    And now another price increase for Vue. Might be time to try YouTube TV.
     
  49. Ed Hillel

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    Yeah, I just quit. Forty three percent increase the past six months, fuck that. Good news is you can just keep creating new accounts and using trial promotions with Vue and DirectTVNow. Right now, I’m paying $10/month on Now. With their DVR up, it’s a better service than Vue anyway. At least in my market.
     
  50. Joe Sixpack

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    Do they offer NESN yet?
     

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