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Discussion in 'Our Errors are Mistakes: The Media Forum' started by grimshaw, Apr 20, 2016.
Yeah, my twitter image directly addresses something I don't care about too
who the fuck honestly cares if it is?
People who are like Curt Schilling. So sadly, quite a few.
My walk up song would include the lyrics "who is she, I'll rape her", so no, I'm not suggesting the song lyrics would mean anything in this context.
I just meant the idea of the PA saying "now batting, Adam Jones", followed by a stream of n-words is something that definitely did not happen ever.
This ... this is good.
Someone should tweet it back at Curt.
So I guess if my walk-up music was "Start Me Up" I would not be allowed to complain about being called a necrophiliac?
I believe it's "I'll rape it."
I think they use the Wal Mart versions of these songs at Fenway
I honestly think he is. Had his business not failed(I have no idea whether that was ever feasible), I think his public persona would likely be largely as it was when he was playing: a gasbag, with definite right of center views, not nearly as smart as he thinks is, but within the margins of sanity and reason. The crash of the business, coupled with his cancer, seems to have completely unhinged him, including financially. I think almost everything he does now is branding. The alt-right/white nationalist/angry middle aged dude is now a character he plays, a kind of pro wrestling villain if you will. Because that's the only avenue of some notoriety and income he has left. He's burned all the others. None of which makes the drivel he spews out into the world any less offensive and stupid. He's a pretty toxic combination of pathetic and contemptible now.
Ever since Manny Ramirez requested Styles P and the pearl-clutching that resulted, they've stuck with censored versions and eschewed questionable lyrics.
It's possible, but I just think he's genuinely a piece of shit.
Unlike Pedro's day (and that stupid fucking laptop..), we won't need to worry about seeing him when Papi's number goes up, right? RIGHT??
Are you a moron?
There's a fundamental difference between Nazi Germany and some random serial killer, and if you don't see that, you need to put down the Internet for a while and work on your empathy.
Do you always bump old posts that were already discussed? Great modding. Same with the ad hominem. Good job, good effort.
Maybe just let it go man? You're not getting a whole lot of backing on your stance.
Some people don't read every thread every day and when the board is slow, they go back to threads that hey haven't been into in a while or aren't super interesting to them for whatever reason. Given the topic discussed, it's not out of the realm that someone might bump it to respond one of the poor stances taken in trying to defend a weak argument.
Sometimes the best way to let it die is to stop responding. Take that however you care to.
He's a moderator. They are constantly harping on people to read the whole thread. Had he read the whole thread, he wouldn't have commented. He also shouldn't be calling members morons to begin with. He's a moderator, and apparently a shitty one.
If you want to discuss the mods, take it to Backwash.
I'm aware of his status. He is one for a host of reasons and one reason is he's one of the more level headed posters we have and one that contributed enough to be asked to moderate. And his purview is not this subforum, so he has no obligation to read every thread every day. I'm quite sure he noticed you're defenses, how shitty they were and felt the need to comment. Because they were pretty shitty.
We get that you have no emotional attachment to objects. That's all well and good. I mean, it's odd and kind of scary in a way, when it relates to topics like this, but point being it's perfectly normal you took your stand to defend yourself, which was warranted and understandable. But then let it go. All I'm saying is even if someone bumps it after you thought it was over, it doesn't mean it's a good idea to start lashing out if you want it to die. Your defensive arguments quite frankly are not something many people are going to rise up to defend, but they're also not something you'll be condemned for - unless you keep fighting the fight, they will fade. Keep going tho, and then you just seem like a sociopath on a topic like this.
We all have our moments here. There's always going to be pigpiles. Self defense is often futile. It seems counter intuitive, but the best defense is ignorance. Let it die on its own. If other people are joining in, raise the banner and charge. If not, let it go. Lashing out at a mod is most definitely not the best course of action. Sometimes it's best to just back away from the keyboard.
Again, that's just speaking from experience, both witnessed and gone through myself. Ignore if you like.
Another piece of advice to witness here, don't even bother responding to this post, because I'm done trying to help and I'm not going to engage further. So self immolate at your own will. If you want to personally attack or argue, I'd suggest you go to PM with me or Mauf or anyone else you take issue with and stop it in the thread.
I'll seem like a sociopath anyway and I don't really care (imagine that). I'm the closest you can get without being one.
edit: I've also been here since 12/2002. I know how the board works.
Schilling sent a text to WEEI continuing to insist that Adam Jones is lying. This is a stupendously awful thing to write:
I like Deadspin's take on this: Schilling says no one denies racism exists, denies racism exists.
Oh Curt, and you thought the HoF voters were mean to you last time around ...
I feel like I say this on a weekly basis, but Jesus, how did anyone think that this asshole was smart? I mean are baseball players that dumb as a group? It's a pretty shitty indictment on them, if Schilling is considered the "smart guy" in a room of 25.
Did people? (I mean that seriously - maybe I was missing something but I don't recall him having a reputation as a thoughtful person, or even an intelligent one.)
I really think this post needs more attention. Holy hell is this funny.
Well he talked a lot and knew baseball really well. I don't recall him saying much of anything that wasn't about baseball before he started sliding into the tail end of his career, when he began talking about making an MMO.
No matter the setbacks he's had in his personal life, there's no excuse for his behavior now. He's a legitimately terrible person and is saying things that sound borderline-to-not-so-borderline racist. When KKKallahan retires from EEI Schilling will fit that seat quite nicely.
I don't have evidence of this, but I was pretty sure that the media went to Schilling because he always had a "witty quip" about something which sorta transformed into, "He's a smart guy!" At least that's the way I took it to mean. YMMV.
Nick Cafardo is nodding his head vigorously at that post, JMOH.
Part of it was that he was definitely willing to talk. And he spoke in complete, notebook-filling, sentences & paragraphs.
It's the common mistake of equating being articulate -- in the sense of speaking in complete sentences without a bunch of pauses, ya knows and ummmmms -- with being intelligent. Schilling, as compared to many of his contemporaries, was, in that sense, articulate. I have been beating this drum long before he outed himself as a horrible human. (To be clear, I've long thought he was kinda stupid, articulateness aside, not that he was *such* a bad person. The depth of his loathsomeness is a more recent revelation.)
"Adam Curt has an agenda and one needs to only look at his past commentary on race and racism to see it."
That's exactly who I was thinking of, SJH.
This is also true. Plus he was willing to go "off book" and talk to media members about clubhouse issues or stuff that's happening in the world. And he is "really into computers!" so I think that also sounded the nerd alert for a lot of writers that Schilling must be an intelligent dude if he's screwing around with computers -- especially back in the 90s/early 00s.
I think that early in his career, his willingness to talk to reporters (and talk, and talk some more) with reasonable articulateness became confused with innate intelligence. The sad part about that is that, in truth, he actually had a decent amount of innate intelligence and personal charm.
Unfortunately for Curt (and us) his boundless arrogance eventually devoured whatever intelligence and charm had been on display and now he's simply a hateful asshole.
Edit: Apparently you all beat me to this about a half hour ago.
Schilling is street smart. Which in his case means he knows which street he lives on.
As if on cue...
Dictate the future? As it relates to the South? Like they're being taken down so slavery doesn't come back?
What an asshole
Schilling is the dog who gets treats for shitting *in* the house.
"In order to dictate the future"?
When something is phrased that awkwardly, you just know it's bullshit.
I know why Curt believes he's smart.
Calvin and Hobbes reference? Well-played.
Curt Schilling is a racist.
And he is too dumb to know that he is a racist.
But... But... He says what is on his mind is real. It's sorta refreshing, no?
Yeah, especially if he says it after sucking in helium. It's racist but hilarious, a win-win situation.
After 9/11, he wrote a letter. With words.
Adam Jones with a piece in the Players Tribune
This doesn't pertain to the Player's Tribune piece, but if you ever are feeling great about humanity, go read the comments section of the Adam Jones Yahoo! interview.
My god, it's not good.
I have a modest proposal for them.
I might get banned from this site but what exactly was wrong with what he wrote in 2001 after the terror attacks? Let me stress that I think he is a racist and awful human being and Am Not DEFENDING anything he has said or wrote in the past 10 years or so..However I do not find anything objectionable in the 2001 piece. Basically, he wrote a brief note thanking the 1st responders and servicemen and woman and expressed his condolences to the familes who lost loved ones in the attacks. I did not find the 2001 article to be controverisal in the least. If anything, it was pretty much a boiler plate statement of what the country was thinking at the time. I guess you could argue that through his subsquent actions, Curt was shown to be a hypocrite and a fraud but as to the actual contents of the article itself, I do not find that it swayed much from popular opinion of the times.
I'm sorry if it comes across as if I'm defending Curt. Let me stress once again that I now think he is a despiciable human being. I just find it strange that the article written days after the 9/11 attacks and reflecting popular US sediments would be used as evidence against Curt. Someone please educate me where I am wrong in my thinking.
Why on god's green earth did Curt Schilling need to contribute that not-brief-on-any-planet "note" that reads like a Presidential address? There's nothing "wrong" with it, but this was the exact kind of douche he used to be. Red Light Schilling. Everything about him. Not the end of the world, but that letter, viewed 16 years later, is hilarious. "Curt Schilling's Letter to America." This fuckin' guy.
As a side note man alive did 9/11 work gangbusters on us.
I didn't say anything was wrong.
I was answering the question, how did this guy get looked on as smart? He strung a bunch of ideas together in coherent sentences, probably better than we would expect from Nick Cafardo.
IIRC, Charlie Daniels did roughly the same. Celebrity reactions to Radical Islamic Terror were all the rage, at least until the Dixie Chicks checked in.
Remember when Bill Maher (who's his own kind of douche) suggested that suicide bombers are actually brave while lobbing missiles is kind of cowardly? And people went batshit?