"Confidence"￾: Sunday Gambling Preview Week 5

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"Confidence": Sunday Gambling Preview
by John Limberakis
 
Last week was blowout week in the NFL, which is bad news for teasers. Of the thirteen games played, only two losers covered even with a teaser: Philadelphia and Buffalo. The Eagles needed a miracle just to pull theirs off – with no offensive points! Sadly, I didn’t pick either of those teams and the squads I did choose ALL fell flat on their faces.
 
Pittsburgh? The Steelers blew a 24-17 third quarter lead with 0:07 left in the fourth quarter… or did they?
 
 
 

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San Fran and Philly aren't Wong teasers. Wong teasers have to tease through the seven and the three not just off the seven and/or through the three
 

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The range in my link is 7.5 to 8.5 as favorites and 1.5 to 2.5 as dogs. That is generally accepted as the standard Wong range. The problem is it is hard to find those lines anymore. Good catch.
 

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I like the idea of an expanded Wong using a range of -7 to -8.5 and +1.5 to 3. -6 obviously wouldn't qualify. IIRC both Detroit and Denver started as 7.5 point favorites and were almost immediately then changed to only 7 point favorites. Wongs have lost their effectiveness over time due to higher scoring levels. They used to hit at around a 72.5% clip but it's closer to 67-68% now. As the score tail has gotten fatter Wongs potency has shrunk.

Why couldn't they have been called Smith teasers?
 

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Stitch01 said:
San Fran and Philly aren't Wong teasers. Wong teasers have to tease through the seven and the three not just off the seven and/or through the three
For the uninitiated, would teams with the following spreads:
 
Line is -2 (+6) = +4
 
  "         +2 (+6) = +8
 
  "          -8 (+6) = -2
 
  "         -12 1/2 (+6) = -6 1/2
 
all be considered Wong teasers?
 
And that these are good games to tease because teams tend  win games (no line) by 3 or 7 in a disproportionate %?
 

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-8 and +2 are Wongs. The standard Wong range is -7.5 to 8.5 and +1.5 to +2.5.
 

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The funny thing is I wrote out in the comments as I'm writing the article what a standard wong teaser is and then flubbed that in the picks selection.

It would make an interesting research project to see what score outcomes are now and if you can make a new Wong range.
 

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The right response to Wongs not working as well probably isn't expanding the range, it's betting fewer teasers.
 

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Stitch01 said:
The right response to Wongs not working as well probably isn't expanding the range, it's betting fewer teasers.
 
Probably is the key word. While I think you're probably correct I still want to see what the numbers, are, you know? I think most of the success we have is line shopping anyway for teasers. Hell, line shopping in general... if you aren't doing it you're doing yourself a disservice. By "you" I'm referring to the universal you not you in particular, Stich. 
 
Edit: This is all text... I absolutely did not take an antagonistic tone there but this is the internet so you never know how someone is going to interpret your text-tone.
 

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Line shopping is done by going to different casinos for different lines. If you like Detroit this weekend you would want to find the lowest possible line to bet on. Most casinos would have them at -7 but usually there will be one casino that has them at -6.5 or -6.
 
You also can shop for better rates. For example on many online casinos you have to pay 110 dollars on a teaser to win 100. Occasionally you can find teasers that only require wagering 100 dollars to win 100 on 5dimes.  
 
 
Quick Edit: Brick and mortar casinos vary in what they charge per teaser but it averages around -120 to -130. YMMV. You pay a lot for those free drinks. 
 

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I think for amateurs like us line shopping and finding numbers with value in general is nearly as important as handicapping the games (it's why I think we should never be on the Bengals this week post line move no matter what we think of the teams now) so no argument there.

Outside of Wong teasers, I've never seen the numbers work that betting teasers is better than just betting the sides you like straight up
 

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bankshot1 said:
For the uninitiated, would teams with the following spreads:
 
Line is -2 (+6) = +4
 
  "         +2 (+6) = +8
 
  "          -8 (+6) = -2
 
  "         -12 1/2 (+6) = -6 1/2
 
all be considered Wong teasers?
 
And that these are good games to tease because teams tend  win games (no line) by 3 or 7 in a disproportionate %?
It's always better to tease through 3s and 7s, but only teasing through both with little juice has been both profitable historically and better than betting sides. 6 point teasers from 1.5-2.5 dogs and 7.5-8.5 favorites are Wong teasers.
 

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Stitch01 said:
It's always better to tease through 3s and 7s, but only teasing through both with little juice has been both profitable historically and better than betting sides. 6 point teasers from 1.5-2.5 dogs and 7.5-8.5 favorites are Wong teasers.
Thanks. Going through "both" 3 and 7 made it clear.
 

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My second bet of the year (1-0 so far) is New England straight up tonight. I actually expect the Patriots to get to the QB, and can't believe their offense is as bad as it has been - that's my unscientific reasoning.
 

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Drocca said:
My second bet of the year (1-0 so far) is New England straight up tonight. I actually expect the Patriots to get to the QB, and can't believe their offense is as bad as it has been - that's my unscientific reasoning.
Why do you expect the Patriots to get to the QB, out of curiosity?
 

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Why do you expect the Patriots to get to the QB, out of curiosity?
 
I read somewhere that the interior of Cincy's OL is the weak spot, with an injured regular and a rookie, plus a decent but not good third guy. 
 
Wish I could remember where.
 

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Well... 4/5 so far. As long as Seattle -1 hits up I'm up for the week.
 

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I knew Buffalo had a merciless front seven and wrote as much in the preview. With six sacks and consistent pressure on every snap they lived up to their billing. But despite the relentless pass rush Detroit could have won had they not missed three field goals. C'est la vie.
 

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Pats +3 was probably the single best available bet this whole season. Wish I had bet much more.

Six point line move with no injuries and the Pats getting points at home where they win 90 percent of the time. Stealing.
 

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Stitch01 said:
Pats +3 was probably the single best available bet this whole season. Wish I had bet much more.

Six point line move with no injuries and the Pats getting points at home where they win 90 percent of the time. Stealing.
 
I stayed the heck away from the Pats (and the Bengals) and admire the size of your fortitude, sir. 
 

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I'd didnt bet it game of the year big and only made it a good sized bet after recovering from Alex Henery in the late games, didn't please it with SD and Denver, and still didn't bet it massive so no credit for cojones. Six point line move, should have been hammering it on general principle.
 

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Oh my God we get to tease Denver and SD again this week, this time against two of the four worst teams in football
 

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Stitch01 said:
Oh my God we get to tease Denver and SD again this week, this time against two of the four worst teams in football
Denver, Seattle, and San Diego are all looking nice to tease at -7.5, -8.5, and -7. I especially like the matchup for the Broncos.

I'm one of the more objective non-homer guys but there will be revelry at my house as the Jets continue to spiral.
 

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Yup.  Yup.  Yup.  Man would have been a monster day if Detroit had hit yesterday.  That Stafford pick up 14-0 was so Lions.