Chapman to Yankees 5/$86

[rembrat]

Oh, and also he is a draw at a time when they don't have many, maybe seeing the guy who throws faster than anyone in the history of the game seems like an easy sell.

Because people who don't get to many games will not only buy a stub but stick around on the off chance he'll pitch the 9th?

This signing is the most Yankee thing ever. By the way is there a reason why Chapman hasn't saved more than 40 games a year? Shitty teams?

 

[Cesar Crespo]

In an age of 2 wild cards, an elite bullpen alone could probably sneak you into the playoffs if things broke the right way.

 

[Smiling Joe Hesketh]

By the way is there a reason why Chapman hasn't saved more than 40 games a year? Shitty teams?

His save totals are 38, 38, 36, 33, 36, so it's not like he's missing 40 by much. He's been pretty damn consistent in having an excellent ERA+ as well.

 

[Ale Xander]

That was a great rental.

For both sides.

I'm hating the trade even more now, so, based on that, it was a great sign for the MFY.

 

[jon abbey]

His save totals are 38, 38, 36, 33, 36, so it's not like he's missing 40 by much. He's been pretty damn consistent in having an excellent ERA+ as well.

Also his average FB velocity actually seems to be going up as I posted here the other day:

2010: 99.6
2011: 98.1
2012: 98.0
2013: 98.4
2014: 100.2
2015: 99.4
2016: 100.4

http://www.fangraphs.com/pitchfx.aspx?playerid=10233&position=P

 

[Meff Nelton]

It's a shame he got the full no-trade for the first three years of the deal. I'd love to eat a third of his contact at the deadline, and pick up another top 10 prospect +. Things like the Holiday signing make me think the Yankees have eyed a new market inefficiency for high-revenue teams - sign free agents, eat salary, get prospects at the break. Another Chapman move would've been gangster.

 

[jon abbey]

Just because he has a no-trade doesn't mean he can't be traded no matter what, it just means he has to agree to it. Brian McCann just got moved with a full no-trade, I believe Beltran had one last year too, it is possible.

Also it wouldn't be easy to get someone to take on the bulk of this deal in the first year or two of it, he will be more tradeable as the deal progresses and he remains effective (if he remains effective).

 

[Wingack]

It's a shame he got the full no-trade for the first three years of the deal. I'd love to eat a third of his contact at the deadline, and pick up another top 10 prospect +. Things like the Holiday signing make me think the Yankees have eyed a new market inefficiency for high-revenue teams - sign free agents, eat salary, get prospects at the break. Another Chapman move would've been gangster.

It also frees up Betances to be dealt, an arguably more valuable piece.

 

[jtn46]

Also, while he has a high ceiling I think Chapman also has a high floor. If it all falls apart for him he will still probably be an extremely powerful weapon through his age 34 season.

I won't say "worst case scenario" but if he loses velocity due to age or injury he will still throw pretty hard and can be a specialist. I think Chapman will probably be in the league for another 10 years in some capacity if he wants to be.

The defense of the move is basically that, his floor is still pretty high so the Yankees consider him very special which is fair. The only thing I don't like is the no-trade clause. I think while big reliever contracts often look silly, the contracts stop mattering at the deadline, GM's go insane to fix their bullpens something Cashman knows well given the returns he got for Chapman and Miller.

 

[Meff Nelton]

It also frees up Betances to be dealt, an arguably more valuable piece.

I don't really see it as an either or situation.

I've been calling for the team to tear it down since 2013, and I'm thrilled with the job Cashman has done. I don't have any on-field or budgetary concerns with this move, because it's dead money right now with the Yankees' position in the success cycle and Chapman is a legit special talent who may yet contribute to the next great Yankee team.

But as a maximalist, I want them to move everybody who doesn't have a place on the team in 2019 with any trade value. I see no reason for Gardner, Headley or Betances to stay if there's any future value to be extracted from them. Same with Holiday at the break after he regresses positively. If the Yankees could subsidize Chapman's AAV to below Melancon's at the deadline, they could easily pick up an A prospect at the break along with other pieces.

The irony, of course, is that I'm probably bullish on their Wild Card chances. Given that the Blue Jays, Royals and Orioles have probably hit the end of the line simultaneously, I would give the Yankees at the least a 1/3 shot at a Wild Card. Though I'm a proponent of just getting in the dance more often than not, talent does matter to some extent, and they're in no position to compete at all for a title now, unless our young guys are Gene Michael's 90's prospects reincarnated. They really should just bottom out.

 

[Hee Sox Choi]

Such a fun read:

http://riveraveblues.com/2016/12/thoughts-following-the-aroldis-chapman-signing-147969/

 

[Green (Tongued) Monster]

Such a fun read:

http://riveraveblues.com/2016/12/thoughts-following-the-aroldis-chapman-signing-147969/

I enjoyed that and thought Asixa nailed the part about spending 17.2 million a year on a one inning pitcher where his usage depends on the teams success only makes sense if you're contending for the world series or have unrestricted spending. I wonder if it would have been a better gamble if the Yankees would have allowed the marlins to pay for his services for 1 or 2 years then offer Chapman a 3 or 4 year deal after he takes advantage of the rumored opt-outs in the marlins offer. Then the Yankees would have saved some money while their window is still "closed".

 

[wallypip]

The thing I like about this signing is that the Yankees should have one of the best bullpens in baseball and a very strong defensive team next year. In my opinion, that is actually a great way to bring along the young players--particularly pitchers. Having the big closer/setup locked down allows the team to use the Scranton Shuttle to fill out the back end of their bullpen and it also takes pressure off of the starters.

Financially, I realize it doesn't look good; however, I have to imagine that fielding a losing team would be more expensive in NY than paying enough to stay in the hunt for most of the season. I have no way to estimate the cost/benefit, but losing any share of the NY market would have to be pretty costly. The Chapman and Holliday signings put them pretty close to where they were last year except we get to watch the young kids grow instead of watching the old guys age.

 

[jon abbey]

I don't agree with most of that Axisa column, but honestly most of his opinion pieces on NY in the last year or two have become increasingly misguided IMO, NY would be in way way way worse position as an organization if he was calling the personnel shots.

 

[soxhop411]

Might want to rethink this.

“@USATODAYmlb: Hal Steinbrenner says Yankees fans love Aroldis Chapman despite DV incident. ”Sooner or later we forget, right?“ https://t.co/iQxwzBSLkk

 

[snowmanny]

Does he mean if we get hit in the head enough times? Or something familial?