Change of Address for Kevin Love - How About Causeway Street?

[Devizier]

a lesson in scarcity
Dieng is an old rookie who put up Hasheem Thabeet / Kelvin Cato / Yogi Stewart numbers last year.
Kevin Love is one year older and was a no-doubt all star last year, and several years before that.
 
there's a reason why some players earn bigger contracts than others.

 

[EL Jeffe]

This is why we can't have nice things.

 

[HomeRunBaker]

Sox game update:

1. HP Umpire has ridiculous strike zone and likely a 5:30 dinner reservation.

2. Love in the EMC Club at Fenway with his agent.

3. Rondo in the Monster Seats.

 

[southshoresoxfan]

Rondo seen w love at the emc level

 

[HomeRunBaker]

Rondo seen w love at the emc level

The real question is whether they were viewing your rap highlight video together.

 

[Reardon's Beard]

 
Kevin Love and Rajon Rondo at Fenway today.

 

[EL Jeffe]

That's cool, but has anyone spotted Dieng?

 

[southshoresoxfan]

The real question is whether they were viewing your rap highlight video together.

They both agree my wingspan was lacking but feel i can develop some range

 

[HomeRunBaker]

That's cool, but has anyone spotted Dieng?

This cannot get enough praise!!

 

[HomeRunBaker]

That's cool, but has anyone spotted Dieng?

This cannot get enough praise!!

 

[soxhop411]

RT @davidortiz: Yo @kevinlove if you need advice on moving from Minnesota to Boston just let me know #CityOfChamps

 

[soxhop411]

Joon Lee ‏@iamjoonlee  14s
As pointed out by @NEPD_Loyko, Kevin Love just started following David Ortiz... Oooooohhhh..

 

[crystalline]

I enjoy hearing about the wooing.

but I think I liked it better pre-twitter and camera phones when sell weekends would not be followed by a media firestorm.

We're living through a total transformation in news communication, fun to watch but crazy when you take a step back and realize how much this differs from reading the globe sports page every morning.

 

[PedroKsBambino]

IF (and it's a huge if) Kevin Love comes to Celtics, what's the chance Pierce is here next year, too?
 
I put it at 90%

 

[knucklecup]

IF (and it's a huge if) Kevin Love comes to Celtics, what's the chance Pierce is here next year, too?
 
I put it at 90%

Completely agreed. If Garnett was in the same contractual situation as Pierce, they would both be back in my opinion.

 

[HomeRunBaker]

IF (and it's a huge if) Kevin Love comes to Celtics, what's the chance Pierce is here next year, too?
 
I put it at 90%

I'm still at 0%. We've moved forward not backward and Pierce knows he'd never be returning. He's already sold his house in MA and I've got him at 99.999% to go back home to LA and his old coach Doc where there is also a need for him to replace those ugly Dudley/Barnes minutes.

 

[kazuneko]

So I am really not getting all the love for a Love trade.
I mean, you cannot make this trade unless your 100% sure he will extend and despite hype-driven media reports to the contrary, I think there is little reason to think that would happen. Even the initial report that led to all this speculation doesn't offer much in the way of realistic hope. Per that article:  "He wants to go where there's the best opportunity for him which would be in a winning organization".  So why again would Love think that place would be Boston? I mean, Love in Boston would definitely improve the team, but does anyone actually think that picking up Love -and potentially Asik- makes this team any better than the Minnesota team he is currently so eager to move on from? Why would Love flee a 40 win team to sign a long term extension with another 40 win team? Because he "respects the history of the Celtics"?
Come on guys, let's get realistic.  The man was raised a Laker fan. Sure if the Cs put together a 60 win team next year he'd have reason to extend, but Love is not going to flee Minnesota to extend with a similarly mediocre Boston team because of the Celtics tradition. It's nothing more than wishful thinking. Of course I totally understand where this is all coming from (I mean, who the hell wants to go through an extended rebuild) but wishful thinking does not build championship teams.
It totally sucks, but the Cs are likely looking at a long, painful rebuild. Cashing in our chips for a one year rental of Love will not prevent that but end up extending that process even longer...
 
 

 

[radsoxfan]

 Why would Love flee a 40 win team to sign a long term extension with another 40 win team? Because he "respects the history of the Celtics"?

 
One point in favor of the Celtics, at least compared to somewhere like Minnesota or Golden State is simple.  They are in the Eastern Conference. Besides Miami, there are no good teams.For a guy who has missed the playoffs his entire career, this isn't insignificant.  The easiest way for Love to be on a winner next year is just to avoid all those great teams out West.  
 
Love's Timberwolves would have had the 4th best point differential in the Eastern conference in the regular season this year (and that's with a tougher schedule).  Given how bad Indiana collapsed, it's not hard to imagine that Love could have dragged his mediocre teammates to the conference finals this year if he had just been in the other conference. 

 

[Devizier]

 
I mean, you cannot make this trade unless your 100% sure he will extend and despite hype-driven media reports to the contrary, I think there is little reason to think that would happen

 
1) as an unrestricted free agent, Love can only sign with teams that have cap space.
 
also, this nugget
 

 
When a player is traded, his new team inherits his Bird rights.

 
that means the acquiring team can max out its cap space (presumably with good players) *before* Love opts out.

 

[Devizier]

 
One point in favor of the Celtics, at least compared to somewhere like Minnesota or Golden State is simple.

 
Another point in the Celtics' favor is that, unlike in the past, Boston has emerged as a premier sports market. This isn't the nineties anymore. People bitch about the pink hats and that side of HWL's way of doing business, but that sort of presence has totally changed how sports (and players) in the city are marketed.

 

[snowmanny]

One thing I do not believe is that Danny Ainge would trade for any player in the hopes that they would take the Celtics to 45 wins or something like that. This is the guy who declared them
incapable of winning a championship and basically inadequate while they were in the
playoffs. And he has stated many times that the only goal is to create a team capable of winning a championship; I take this to mean that he has no interest in improving for the sake of appearances. If they got Love I am confident that it would be
part of a larger plan. Whether Ainge really can fully execute such a plan is another question.

 

[PedroKsBambino]

 
Another point in the Celtics' favor is that, unlike in the past, Boston has emerged as a premier sports market. This isn't the nineties anymore. People bitch about the pink hats and that side of HWL's way of doing business, but that sort of presence has totally changed how sports (and players) in the city are marketed.

 
This is true, and it consistently amazes me that people don't appreciate how important that marketing is to the continued success the teams have had.  If you like one, you need to accept the other.

 

[Stitch01]

So I am really not getting all the love for a Love trade.
I mean, you cannot make this trade unless your 100% sure he will extend and despite hype-driven media reports to the contrary, I think there is little reason to think that would happen. Even the initial report that led to all this speculation doesn't offer much in the way of realistic hope. Per that article:  "He wants to go where there's the best opportunity for him which would be in a winning organization".  So why again would Love think that place would be Boston? I mean, Love in Boston would definitely improve the team, but does anyone actually think that picking up Love -and potentially Asik- makes this team any better than the Minnesota team he is currently so eager to move on from? Why would Love flee a 40 win team to sign a long term extension with another 40 win team? Because he "respects the history of the Celtics"?
Come on guys, let's get realistic.  The man was raised a Laker fan. Sure if the Cs put together a 60 win team next year he'd have reason to extend, but Love is not going to flee Minnesota to extend with a similarly mediocre Boston team because of the Celtics tradition. It's nothing more than wishful thinking. Of course I totally understand where this is all coming from (I mean, who the hell wants to go through an extended rebuild) but wishful thinking does not build championship teams.
It totally sucks, but the Cs are likely looking at a long, painful rebuild. Cashing in our chips for a one year rental of Love will not prevent that but end up extending that process even longer...

Pretty simple, if Love feels that way the trade never happens

 

[HomeRunBaker]

So I am really not getting all the love for a Love trade.
I mean, you cannot make this trade unless your 100% sure he will extend and despite hype-driven media reports to the contrary, I think there is little reason to think that would happen. Even the initial report that led to all this speculation doesn't offer much in the way of realistic hope. Per that article:  "He wants to go where there's the best opportunity for him which would be in a winning organization".  So why again would Love think that place would be Boston? I mean, Love in Boston would definitely improve the team, but does anyone actually think that picking up Love -and potentially Asik- makes this team any better than the Minnesota team he is currently so eager to move on from? Why would Love flee a 40 win team to sign a long term extension with another 40 win team? Because he "respects the history of the Celtics"?
Come on guys, let's get realistic.  The man was raised a Laker fan. Sure if the Cs put together a 60 win team next year he'd have reason to extend, but Love is not going to flee Minnesota to extend with a similarly mediocre Boston team because of the Celtics tradition. It's nothing more than wishful thinking. Of course I totally understand where this is all coming from (I mean, who the hell wants to go through an extended rebuild) but wishful thinking does not build championship teams.
It totally sucks, but the Cs are likely looking at a long, painful rebuild. Cashing in our chips for a one year rental of Love will not prevent that but end up extending that process even longer...
 
 

Correct me if I am wrong but your entire case appears to be of the premise that Love will accept a trade to Boston, embrace the tradition and history (which he grew up with as a Bird, Red and Celtics fan)......so he can take significantly less money to sign with the Lakers in 12 months?

I'm sorry but doesn't pass the smell test under today's CBA. The team Love, or any max FA to be, agrees to be traded to will be the team the player re-signs with to maximize their earnings. That's why they accepted the trade to that team to begin with.

 

[kazuneko]

Correct me if I am wrong but your entire case appears to be of the premise that Love will accept a trade to Boston, embrace the tradition and history (which he grew up with as a Bird, Red and Celtics fan)......so he can take significantly less money to sign with the Lakers in 12 months?

Not sure where you're getting this. Multiple published reports have described him as a lifelong Lakers fan.

 
I'm sorry but doesn't pass the smell test under today's CBA. The team Love, or any max FA to be, agrees to be traded to will be the team the player re-signs with to maximize their earnings. That's why they accepted the trade to that team to begin with.

Then why wouldn't he agree to an immediate extension? Obviously, that would be far preferable for Ainge.
The only plausible answer is he wants to see what type of team the Cs can build around him - and presumably, if it does not meet his expectations he wants the option of pursuing other directions. Unfortunately, unlike Garnett,  Love is not the type of player that can be the best player on a true contender and his acquisition isn't going to be followed by a trade for a third star (the team does not have the resources). It also should be clear that  minor moves that may be available to Ainge -ie acquiring Asik etc - won't be enough to turn this team into an NBA power.  In the end, the most likely result is that the team ends up no better than the team he is currently looking to leave and this will almost certainly leave Love quite frustrated. 
Will he then leave money on the table to pursue other options? Who knows. But NBA stars are all rich beyond measure - and as James, Bosh and Wade proved (each leaving many millions on the table to pursue their Miami experiment) today's players are perfectly capable of choosing winning over maximum earnings.

 

[wutang112878]

and his acquisition isn't going to be followed by a trade for a third star (the team does not have the resources). It also should be clear that  minor moves that may be available to Ainge -ie acquiring Asik etc - won't be enough to turn this team into an NBA power.  In the end, the most likely result is that the team ends up no better than the team he is currently looking to leave and this will almost certainly leave Love quite frustrated. 
 

 
This isnt necessarily true.  Lets say we resigned Rondo ($17M) and Love ($14M) to max deals, thats $31M in salary, we have $28M (minus Bogans) on the books for 15/16.  If we move or buy out Wallace and/or Green doesnt exercise his team option that $20M worth of salary that could come off the books, so we could be somewhere between $39M and $59M.  If the cap goes up to $70M we could fit another max free agent, and a core of Rondo + Love + first round picks we have coming + prospective free agent would be an intriguing team and possibly enough to attract a difference maker player who could be a '2nd best player on a contender' type of guy.

 

[Grin&MartyBarret]

Not sure where you're getting this. Multiple published reports have described him as a lifelong Lakers fan.
Then why wouldn't he agree to an immediate extension? Obviously, that would be far preferable for Ainge.
The only plausible answer is he wants to see what type of team the Cs can build around him - and presumably, if it does not meet his expectations he wants the option of pursuing other directions. Unfortunately, unlike Garnett,  Love is not the type of player that can be the best player on a true contender and his acquisition isn't going to be followed by a trade for a third star (the team does not have the resources). It also should be clear that  minor moves that may be available to Ainge -ie acquiring Asik etc - won't be enough to turn this team into an NBA power.  In the end, the most likely result is that the team ends up no better than the team he is currently looking to leave and this will almost certainly leave Love quite frustrated. 
Will he then leave money on the table to pursue other options? Who knows. But NBA stars are all rich beyond measure - and as James, Bosh and Wade proved (each leaving many millions on the table to pursue their Miami experiment) today's players are perfectly capable of choosing winning over maximum earnings.

You should read either a) this thread in its entirety or b) the CBA.

 

[Cellar-Door]

 
This isnt necessarily true.  Lets say we resigned Rondo ($17M) and Love ($14M) to max deals, thats $31M in salary, we have $28M (minus Bogans) on the books for 15/16.  If we move or buy out Wallace and/or Green doesnt exercise his team option that $20M worth of salary that could come off the books, so we could be somewhere between $39M and $59M.  If the cap goes up to $70M we could fit another max free agent, and a core of Rondo + Love + first round picks we have coming + prospective free agent would be an intriguing team and possibly enough to attract a difference maker player who could be a '2nd best player on a contender' type of guy.

We could fit a max player, but it would take some serious work.
Love's max  will be between $17 and $19M, Rondo's is about correct. so 34-36 for those two.
I can't see any way that Green doesn't pick up that option, but I think it is possible to move him, Wallace has no chance of being moved for nothing, so let's say between them we have at least 10, add in guys on the roster (1 of Olynyk, Sully), have to assume we re-sign Bradley for something in the 7-8 range.
So even if we draft nobody, and give out no multi-year deals this year, and take no multi-year deals back in trade that is probably around 55M another 5 or so for the draft pick holds. And that assumes renouncing Bird rights on everyone else.
 
The more likely way to do it, is to sign and trade for a guy who is a FA.
If we can dump both Wallace and Green, or one of the two and we don't re-sign Avery it becomes possible. Seems unlikely to me though, because that is basically giving up on the last year of Rondo and Love's contracts, not sure I see them doing that.
There are definite trade options though, with our wealth of picks even after a Love trade.

 

[Stitch01]

Not sure where you're getting this. Multiple published reports have described him as a lifelong Lakers fan.

Then why wouldn't he agree to an immediate extension? Obviously, that would be far preferable for Ainge.
The only plausible answer is he wants to see what type of team the Cs can build around him - and presumably, if it does not meet his expectations he wants the option of pursuing other directions. Unfortunately, unlike Garnett,  Love is not the type of player that can be the best player on a true contender and his acquisition isn't going to be followed by a trade for a third star (the team does not have the resources). It also should be clear that  minor moves that may be available to Ainge -ie acquiring Asik etc - won't be enough to turn this team into an NBA power.  In the end, the most likely result is that the team ends up no better than the team he is currently looking to leave and this will almost certainly leave Love quite frustrated. 
Will he then leave money on the table to pursue other options? Who knows. But NBA stars are all rich beyond measure - and as James, Bosh and Wade proved (each leaving many millions on the table to pursue their Miami experiment) today's players are perfectly capable of choosing winning over maximum earnings.

Do you really think Ainge isn't going to lay out a long-term plan to Kevin Love to see if he's on board before trading for him? There's an argument not to trade for Love, but if the Cs trade for him he's 95 percent plus signing a max contract with Boston.

 

[wutang112878]

We could fit a max player, but it would take some serious work.
Love's max  will be between $17 and $19M, Rondo's is about correct. so 34-36 for those two.
I can't see any way that Green doesn't pick up that option, but I think it is possible to move him, Wallace has no chance of being moved for nothing, so let's say between them we have at least 10, add in guys on the roster (1 of Olynyk, Sully), have to assume we re-sign Bradley for something in the 7-8 range.
So even if we draft nobody, and give out no multi-year deals this year, and take no multi-year deals back in trade that is probably around 55M another 5 or so for the draft pick holds. And that assumes renouncing Bird rights on everyone else.
 
The more likely way to do it, is to sign and trade for a guy who is a FA.
If we can dump both Wallace and Green, or one of the two and we don't re-sign Avery it becomes possible. Seems unlikely to me though, because that is basically giving up on the last year of Rondo and Love's contracts, not sure I see them doing that.
There are definite trade options though, with our wealth of picks even after a Love trade.

 
Oops, had a mistake on Love but I dont think Love meets the criteria for the 5th year 30% max criteria so doesnt he fall into the normal max restrictions?  In which case he will be at $17M (7yrs in the league so 30% of max) well $17M in today's cap dollars but not $19M.  One problem with my math though is as the cap goes up so do the #s for Rondo & Love.  So if they are at 30% of the cap and the cap goes up to $70M then they are at $21M each of $42M collectively.  Even if we shed Wallace, Green and Bogans we are at $42M + $9M on the books + $2.5M in cap holds so $53.5M, and thats before draft any new draft picks are on the books too, so not as wonderful as I thought.  So I agree the sign and trade is probably more likely.
 
As for Bradley, if we think the timing isnt right to go get a superstar, then the timing really isnt right to resign a 2 whose NBA ceiling is probably as a role player and certainly isnt an above average NBA starter.  Giving guys like that $8M during rebuilding is really pretty pointless.

 

[Grin&MartyBarret]

We could fit a max player, but it would take some serious work.
Love's max  will be between $17 and $19M, Rondo's is about correct. so 34-36 for those two.
I can't see any way that Green doesn't pick up that option, but I think it is possible to move him, Wallace has no chance of being moved for nothing, so let's say between them we have at least 10, add in guys on the roster (1 of Olynyk, Sully), have to assume we re-sign Bradley for something in the 7-8 range.
So even if we draft nobody, and give out no multi-year deals this year, and take no multi-year deals back in trade that is probably around 55M another 5 or so for the draft pick holds. And that assumes renouncing Bird rights on everyone else.
 
The more likely way to do it, is to sign and trade for a guy who is a FA.
If we can dump both Wallace and Green, or one of the two and we don't re-sign Avery it becomes possible. Seems unlikely to me though, because that is basically giving up on the last year of Rondo and Love's contracts, not sure I see them doing that.
There are definite trade options though, with our wealth of picks even after a Love trade.

 
A couple of points:
 
1. It's far from a certainty that Jeff Green opts in. There is plenty of precedent for useful players opting out of the last year of a large deal to get more guaranteed money, albeit from a deal that pays less annually. Andre Iguodala opted out of a 16 million dollar player option to get about 11 a year over 4 years. Monta Ellis opted out of 11 million to get 8 over 3. Paul Millsap opted out of 9 million to get 19 million guaranteed. Green will likely not command 9 million a season in his next contract, but if his agent feels like he can get $6 million over 4 years, picking up his option would put 15 million dollars in guaranteed money at risk. It's not at all uncommon to see NBA players decline that option to hedge against injury. Whether or not Green does so will likely have a lot to do with how he performs next season. But if he continues to play at his current level, I'd put him opting out at about 50-50. If he has a good season, on the other hand, the odds of his opting out increase substantially, while if he falls off, it becomes more likely he picks up the option.
 
2. Again, everybody automatically links trading for Love with re-signing Rondo, and I'd argue that that's not at all a certainty. Does anybody here think Rondo is worth 17 million a season? I suspect the answer is no. So why do we think Ainge believes that? I don't think trading for Love makes it automatic that Rondo is signed. Ainge, I'm sure, has a number in mind for Rondo. He won't exceed that simply because he traded for Kevin Love.
 
Lastly, let me re-iterate something I've been saying for a couple of pages now: IF Love agrees to come to Boston, there's no rational reason to think he's coming to Boston to win next season. He understands how the CBA works, and he's seen Boston's roster. The only way Love is interested in Boston is because he sees the longterm potential here. I'm pretty sure everybody agrees on that point, right? I mean, it's really straightforward: there isn't much potential in year one, therefore it stands to reason that Love's interest is predicated on a 2-3 year plan. So why is it that every time we discuss the Celtics cap situation post hypothetical Love trade people are so quick to include shortsighted overpays for less than ideal players like Rondo and Bradley? I get that people feel like year 1 has to be a scramble to show Love you can put a contender around him, but that's a misguided belief. There is no realistic path to contention in year 1. Love, his agent, and Danny Ainge are all aware of that. So why assume decisions re: Rondo and Bradley will be made outside of that context?

 

[Grin&MartyBarret]

 
Oops, had a mistake on Love but I dont think Love meets the criteria for the 5th year 30% max criteria so doesnt he fall into the normal max restrictions?  In which case he will be at $17M (7yrs in the league so 30% of max) well $17M in today's cap dollars but not $19M.  One problem with my math though is as the cap goes up so do the #s for Rondo & Love.  So if they are at 30% of the cap and the cap goes up to $70M then they are at $21M each of $42M collectively.  Even if we shed Wallace, Green and Bogans we are at $42M + $9M on the books + $2.5M in cap holds so $53.5M, and thats before draft any new draft picks are on the books too, so not as wonderful as I thought.  So I agree the sign and trade is probably more likely.
 
As for Bradley, if we think the timing isnt right to go get a superstar, then the timing really isnt right to resign a 2 whose NBA ceiling is probably as a role player and certainly isnt an above average NBA starter.  Giving guys like that $8M during rebuilding is really pretty pointless.

 
That's not correct. A max deal is a percentage of the cap at the time the player was signed. Trading for Love this summer would mean that his salary was a percentage of the 63.whatever number for next season, even when the cap is at 68 down the road.
 
Also: this needs to be asked. Why is anybody here advocating giving Rondo a max deal. Weren't we having a debate about whether or not he's even an above average NBA point guard like a week ago?

 

[wutang112878]

 
That's not correct. A max deal is a percentage of the cap at the time the player was signed. Trading for Love this summer would mean that his salary was a percentage of the 63.whatever number for next season, even when the cap is at 68 down the road.
 
Also: this needs to be asked. Why is anybody here advocating giving Rondo a max deal. Weren't we having a debate about whether or not he's even an above average NBA point guard like a week ago?

 
But if you're Love wouldnt you wait until you hit free agency to resign so he gets more $?  Its sort of the same reason Rondo wouldnt take a new deal right now.
 
I agree on Rondo, he shouldnt take the max to resign, but I was just presenting the worst case scenario to retain those guys

 

[Grin&MartyBarret]

 
But if you're Love wouldnt you wait until you hit free agency to resign so he gets more $?  Its sort of the same reason Rondo wouldnt take a new deal right now.
 
I agree on Rondo, he shouldnt take the max to resign, but I was just presenting the worst case scenario to retain those guys

 
Right. I'm just saying that the base of the max deal corresponds to the cap figure in the year they signed. So if the cap increases 5 million the year after Love signs, his salary is still a percentage of the cap figure the year he signed.

 

[knucklecup]

If Klay Thompson is looking for a max deal (http://bit.ly/1wHkAFO), Rondo would be foolish not to.

Does Love agree to come to Boston / resign long term without a Rondo commitment as well?

 

[Grin&MartyBarret]

If Klay Thompson is looking for a max deal (http://bit.ly/1wHkAFO), Rondo would be foolish not to.

Does Love agree to come to Boston / resign long term without a Rondo commitment as well?

 
There's a pretty big difference between the max deal coming off of the rookie scale contract and the max Rondo would be receiving, though.
 
I don't know the answer to the second question, obviously, but I don't see how giving Rondo the max is a good idea. Seems like the sort of mistake the C's should let the Knicks make.

 

[The Social Chair]

Thompson can also take advantage of the lack of quality shooting guards in the NBA right now. Rondo doesn't have that positional leverage because there is no position in the NBA with as many quality players as point guard. Ty Lawson is a really good player and he might be the 14th best PG in the league.

 

[lexrageorge]

I agree that the only way a Love trade happens is that Ainge is convinced that Love will accept an extension.  And, for that to happen, Love is going to have to buy into the idea that this will likely be a 2-3 year rebuilding process with lots of uncertainty along the way.  There is no way that Ainge is going to exhaust all his assets and future cap flexibility just to bring in some fungible role players next season just to make Kevin Love happy.  
 
And if Rondo's agent insists on max contract or elsewhere, then Rondo is gone.  Either this summer or at the trade deadline.  

 

[moly99]

I agree that the only way a Love trade happens is that Ainge is convinced that Love will accept an extension. And, for that to happen, Love is going to have to buy into the idea that this will likely be a 2-3 year rebuilding process with lots of uncertainty along the way.

If Love feels that way, isn't he better off waiting one year with the Wolves and signing with the Celtics in free agency where they have two top 10 picks to go along with him? (Instead of trading #6 and other assets to Minnesota for Love and then having a mediocre season next year where they are something like the 6 seed in a crappy East.)

 

[HomeRunBaker]

If Love feels that way, isn't he better off waiting one year with the Wolves and signing with the Celtics in free agency where they have two top 10 picks to go along with him? (Instead of trading #6 and other assets to Minnesota for Love and then having a mediocre season next year where they are something like the 6 seed in a crappy East.)

These have been addressed multiple times in the thread complete with links to CBA Q & A showing how is would cost Love many millions under your scenario.

He's been trying to get out of Minnesota almost immediately since signing his extension with them and everyone up there has already accepted this fate while looking forward to the return they get for Love.

 

[lexrageorge]

If Love feels that way, isn't he better off waiting one year with the Wolves and signing with the Celtics in free agency where they have two top 10 picks to go along with him? (Instead of trading #6 and other assets to Minnesota for Love and then having a mediocre season next year where they are something like the 6 seed in a crappy East.)

If he cannot accept the fact that Boston will be crappy in 2014-15, he can go to a different team.  HRB addressed the issue (again) regarding why the CBA makes it advantageous for Love to leave Minnesota now.  
 
One advantage to coming to Boston:  he can help inflict losses on the Nets in 2015-16.  

 

[MakMan44]

The Celtics are prioritizing a pursuit of Love, and they’re willing to give up the sixth overall pick to make it happen, according to Deveney. Still, they’re not open to including Rajon Rondo in such a deal, and Boston’s willingness to part with future first-rounders might be the determining factor in whether Love winds up in Boston, Deveney surmises.

 
 
http://www.sportingnews.com/nba/story/2014-06-02/wolves-celtics-kevin-love-trade-rumors-nba-draft-free-agency-flip-saunders-vinny-del-negro

 

[wutang112878]

Danny, just top 10 protect the picks, lets shake hands and call it a day.  I have a feeling Danny is just posturing to see how far he can go and still make a deal.  Kind of similar to how the whole Nets thing went down until it got to the point that Danny & team had to cover their mouths to stop from laughing while they put the finishing touches on the deal.

 

[mcpickl]

 

 
Lastly, let me re-iterate something I've been saying for a couple of pages now: IF Love agrees to come to Boston, there's no rational reason to think he's coming to Boston to win next season. He understands how the CBA works, and he's seen Boston's roster. The only way Love is interested in Boston is because he sees the longterm potential here. I'm pretty sure everybody agrees on that point, right? I mean, it's really straightforward: there isn't much potential in year one, therefore it stands to reason that Love's interest is predicated on a 2-3 year plan. So why is it that every time we discuss the Celtics cap situation post hypothetical Love trade people are so quick to include shortsighted overpays for less than ideal players like Rondo and Bradley? I get that people feel like year 1 has to be a scramble to show Love you can put a contender around him, but that's a misguided belief. There is no realistic path to contention in year 1. Love, his agent, and Danny Ainge are all aware of that. So why assume decisions re: Rondo and Bradley will be made outside of that context?

 
If Love is willing to come/eventually re-sign here, why wouldn't you want to go allin and build around him now?
 
Say you get Love for Sullinger, #6, one of their picks next year, the Philly protected #1/likely two #2s, and Bogans and Anthony to match salaries.
 
Don't they have enough young assets to get a third guy to go with Love/Rondo?
 
They'd still have #17(trade would have to happen on draft night for this), Olynyk, a #1 in 2015, two #1s in 2016, another in 2018(have to keep 2017 #1 in this scenario), maybe a sign-and-traded Avery Bradley if he has in a front office fan somewhere, the trade exception, for a third guy.
 
Couldn't those assets possibly fetch a third guy? If they could, why waste a season hanging on to them if you can build a good team now? I wouldn't trade them for a 35 year old guy, but if you could get say Al Horford? Or maybe Asik/a sign and traded Hayward for less than Horford would cost? Or a different guy I'm not thinking of?
 
I still think this is a year too early, but if you can get Love it makes no sense to me to just tell him to be on a garbage team for another year when you have the future assets to put a good team around him now. Don't get taking the Half Measures(trademark Mike Ehrmantraut) plan at all.
 
Edit: I erased your question about Rondo. I agree I don't think he gets the max. But I do think Ainge re-signs him. He's too good a player to let walk. Maybe a 5 year deal starting at 13-14M or so.

 

[HomeRunBaker]

Ainge wouldn't let him walk for nothing just as Minny won't allow Love to walk for nothing. I don't think Ainge is anywhere close to a 5/$75m deal for such a flawed player at a position where he can be fairly easily replaced at a fraction of the cost.

He didn't sound too confident of remaining in Boston during his interview today. Rondo was asked how the talk with Love went, (paraphrasing) "I just told him to enjoy his couple days in Boston. If he needs anything I'll be here for a couple of months at least (reporters chuckled, Rondo didn't). I mean I'm here for now and been working with the trainers and Ed Lacerte and they do an ok job. I dunno, I'm here for now and I'd like to stay here."

My sense is that he knows Ainge's offer is nowhere in the ballpark of what he's looking for and rather than lose him for nothing he's relegated to knowing he's out of here sooner rather than later.

 

[mcpickl]

Ainge wouldn't let him walk for nothing just as Minny won't allow Love to walk for nothing. I don't think Ainge is anywhere close to a 5/$75m deal for such a flawed player at a position where he can be fairly easily replaced at a fraction of the cost.

He didn't sound too confident of remaining in Boston during his interview today. Rondo was asked how the talk with Love went, (paraphrasing) "I just told him to enjoy his couple days in Boston. If he needs anything I'll be here for a couple of months at least (reporters chuckled, Rondo didn't). I mean I'm here for now and been working with the trainers and Ed Lacerte and they do an ok job. I dunno, I'm here for now and I'd like to stay here."

My sense is that he knows Ainge's offer is nowhere in the ballpark of what he's looking for and rather than lose him for nothing he's relegated to knowing he's out of here sooner rather than later.

I think you're misreading this.
 
He didn't say he'll be here a couple months at least, he said he's been here a couple months. He explained later until this year once the season ended he left for Kentucky, and this year he's stayed in Boston because his kids are in school here now.
 
Don't think the Love/Rondo comparison works on letting them walk for nothing, because I think Love is leaving Minny regardless and I believe Rondo does want to stay in Boston. I think Ainge likes him much more than you, or I, do. I think he would give him 5/75 in a flash.

 

[southshoresoxfan]

I pray we dont give the guy who cant shoot and doesnt defend 5/75

 

[Grin&MartyBarret]

There is literally no chance that Ainge signs Rondo for 5 years.

 

[HomeRunBaker]

I think you're misreading this.
 
He didn't say he'll be here a couple months at least, he said he's been here a couple months. He explained later until this year once the season ended he left for Kentucky, and this year he's stayed in Boston because his kids are in school here now.
 
Don't think the Love/Rondo comparison works on letting them walk for nothing, because I think Love is leaving Minny regardless and I believe Rondo does want to stay in Boston. I think Ainge likes him much more than you, or I, do. I think he would give him 5/75 in a flash.

That was definitely not the tone with which Rondo spoke today. Not only was there uncertainty in his voice but Rondo's choice of words also signified uncertainty......how many times can one say "as of now?" I don't think there is a chance that Ainge is anywhere close to 5/75 for this player and he knows this.


"So when I saw Kevin, I spoke to him. I wished him good luck here -- his time in Boston. He spent a couple days here in Boston. I told him I was spending a couple months here in Boston."

"I don't want to leave. It's just part of the process that I'll talk about once the season is over. As of now, I'm a Celtic, and I've been training here, and the staff has been doing pretty good as far as my rehab and working with [strength and conditioning coach Bryan] Doo a lot, and [team trainer] Ed Lacerte every day. This is home to me as of now."

 

[wutang112878]

Rondo is a moody and sometimes very immature dude. I wouldn't read too much into his tone or insinuations.