Sully, Gerald Wallace and our own 1st pick this year is all I'm willing to give...use the rest of the trade chips to get other building blocks
Brickowski said:I wouldn't give a player for Love. It would be Humphries (expiring), Bayless (expiring) or Bogans (nonguaranteed) and the pick (but not if it's top 3). And even then, are folks comfortable with giving Love a 5-year, $100M extension? Because that's what he'll demand wherever he goes.
ElUno20 said:Does anyone really see him signing with anyone but the lakers?
Brickowski said:Brain fart by me. Yes, Humphries, Bayless and Bogans became untradeable when the February deadline passed.
So I guess the package would be Bogans, Bass and either Sullinger or Olynyck, plus the lotto pick, for Love? I'm just not that interested given the cap clogging deal that Love would demand, because I don't think he puts them close to contention. I suppose a resigned Love would be another trading chip for Ainge, but monster deals aren't that easy to move under the new CBA with its de facto hard cap.radsoxfan said:
Bogans can still be traded. He has a non guaranteed deal, so he might be useful in a trade for a team looking to clear the books. That's the entire reason Danny decided not to cut him when he left the team.
Hump and Bayless aren't options though.
Brickowski said:So I guess the package would be Bogans, Bass and either Sullinger or Olynyck, plus the lotto pick, for Love?
That's pretty much where I stand. However, I do not see MN with much bargaining power here. It's 100% that Love is gone no matter what they offer him.radsoxfan said:
Probably have to throw in at least one of our future 1st rounders as well. I'm a bit torn on the Love idea. Great offensive player, but not sure if it's worth it to give up a ton for him. Embiid would actually be the perfect pair for Love, but don't see how it's possible to end up with both of them, even if the ping pong balls go our way.
Unfortunately, Love+Rondo needs quite a bit of additional help to be a great team. Love had a poor mans version of Rondo in Minny with Rubio, and that combo wasn't very useful. I am still fine with making incremental improvements instead of figuring it all out at once, so if Love can be had for a reasonable price, I'd be on board. Replacing Sullinger with Love definitely makes the team much better.
If the pick is 5 or lower I would do it, top 3 is a little tricker. Of course, if the pick isn't top 3, there is a chance Minnesota loses interest.
Brickowski said:I'm just not that interested given the cap clogging deal that Love would demand, because I don't think he puts them close to contention.
Rudy Pemberton said:True; that team at least had Pierce though. This team has Rondo, and....? Doesn't seem like a better situation than Minnesota.
RedOctober3829 said:Woj's latest on Love
The Boston Celtics have emerged as an increasingly intriguing destination for Minnesota Timberwolves All-Star forward Kevin Love, and the Celtics' draft position coming out of Tuesday night's lottery could be telltale in determining the feasibility of a trade, league sources told Yahoo Sports.
If the lottery percentages hold to form, Boston would draft in the No. 5 slot, which could hold appeal to Minnesota in this talent-rich draft. If Boston moves up and cracks one of the top three spots, general manager Danny Ainge would have a more difficult decision to make on using the pick in a deal for Love.
You're correct. #4 is not an option.Papelbon's Poutine said:Am I missing something or isn't it literally impossible for the celtics to end up with the #4 pick?
moly99 said:
Exactly. I don't think Love is as good as most people say he is (he is bad at almost everything that doesn't get counted on a stats sheet) but that's irrelevant in this case. Even if Love was on the level of KD or Lebron after dealing away our top assets we couldn't build a competitive team around him.
If Love couldn't win with Rubio, Pekovic, et. al., why would you expect him to win with Rondo and Green? Oh, they might make the playoffs in the EC, but they'd be the same 40-45 win team in NBA limbo. Maybe they would get to the second round, but not beyond that. Love is no KG, and if that's shitting on him, so be it.Quite the opposite, I think shitting on Love's game is part of this board's raison d'etre, or at least its mission statement.
No, I like him as a player. Great rebounder. As Radsoxfan says, if you paired Love with a good rim protector you could have a winning combination. But even assuming that he'd be willing to sign an extension in Boston, he's too expensive for what you get, especially if you have to give up Sullinger (who has similar skills) and a lotto pick in a very strong draft to get him. There are six guys (at least) in this draft who are potential all stars. It's not as strong a draft as some folks say, but it's pretty damn strong. Also, the players you draft are cost controlled for 5 years.Is it safe to say that you're not in "Love" with his game?
sorry - brain fart. I guess I should have said if Exum falls to us at 5. My point really being that I personally would prefer to roll the dice on a few players rather than get Love.Papelbon's Poutine said:Am I missing something or isn't it literally impossible for the celtics to end up with the #4 pick?
Brickowski said:If Love couldn't win with Rubio, Pekovic, et. al., why would you expect him to win with Rondo and Green? Oh, they might make the playoffs in the EC, but they'd be the same 40-45 win team in NBA limbo. Maybe they would get to the second round, but not beyond that. Love is no KG, and if that's shitting on him, so be it.
I wouldn't expect Love or KG in his prime to win with Rubio and Pek nor would I expect either to win with only Rondo and Green. Aside from LeBron or Durant being this player who could I wouldn't crucify Love for not doing so.Brickowski said:If Love couldn't win with Rubio, Pekovic, et. al., why would you expect him to win with Rondo and Green? Oh, they might make the playoffs in the EC, but they'd be the same 40-45 win team in NBA limbo. Maybe they would get to the second round, but not beyond that. Love is no KG, and if that's shitting on him, so be it.
Love would also mean no lotto pick and no cap room in 2015. But hey. it's a quick fix and they would market the hell out of him and sell plenty of tickets.
Devizier said:
1) Steals aside, Rubio is a terrible NBA player.
2) I don't expect the Celtics to win with Rondo, Green, and Love.
2b) I also don't expect the Celtics to win with Rondo, Green, and Exum, Randle, Khalid El-Smart, or even Wiggins, Parker, or Embiid.
They have a lot of work to do. A five year window with one of the league's best players is a good place to start.
Rubio is not just disappointing, he makes Rondo look like Ray Allen.DeJesus Built My Hotrod said:
I agree with just about all your points (man, Rubio is pretty disappointing) and I like Kevin Love. However, I agree with some of his detractors in that he doesn't seem to be an alpha. Maybe that isn't right and he simply hasn't been given the right cast around him (the TWolves bench was horrific this past season - I mean, the D-league might have better players than Minnesota had in their rotation). However if that is the right read, the C's are going to have a lot of resources spent/tied-up in a guy who won't be able to lead them to the next championship.
No way Celtics would have the cap room to sign him with Love here, no way NY trades him to Boston.RedOctober3829 said:If Love comes, do you go get Melo and form a new Big 3?
HomeRunBaker said:Let me point out that this thread is assuming the roughly 1% chance comes to fruition that Love ok's Boston as a trade destination. Realistically we aren't likely an option but it's a fun discussion anyway.
There's the window of opportunity he knocks up a stripper Paul George-style whose parents live in Dorchester.Devizier said:
I think 1% is optimistic.
I'm sure 100% of you guys understand the NBA better than I do, so I have to ask: That's not an attractive trade offer, right?The Knicks believe they have the expiring contracts — Tyson Chandler and Iman Shumpert in particular — the Wolves might want so Minnesota can keep cap space to go after the star-studded 2015 free agent class.
But the Knicks can’t give up a first-round pick until 2018. Saving that 2018 first-round pick for a potential Love deal was one of the factors in the Knicks deciding not to offer it to Toronto during Kyle Lowry talks.
http://nypost.com/2014/05/18/jackson-plotting-to-bring-wolves-star-love-to-ny-source/
Devizier said:
Quite the opposite, I think shitting on Love's game is part of this board's raison d'etre, or at least its mission statement.
Devizier said:
1) Steals aside, Rubio is a terrible NBA player.
2) I don't expect the Celtics to win with Rondo, Green, and Love.
2b) I also don't expect the Celtics to win with Rondo, Green, and Exum, Randle, Khalid El-Smart, or even Wiggins, Parker, or Embiid.
They have a lot of work to do. A five year window with one of the league's best players is a good place to start.
Words cannot possibly portray how unattractive an offer that really is. What's even funnier is the Knicks reportedly believing how Minnesota is a destination option for top tier free agents. It's somewhere between Boston and Vancouver.MakMan44 said:Apparently the Knicks want to get in on this.
I'm sure 100% of you guys understand the NBA better than I do, so I have to ask: That's not an attractive trade offer, right?
HomeRunBaker said:Words cannot possibly portray how unattractive an offer that really is. What's even funnier is the Knicks reportedly believing how Minnesota is a destination option for top tier free agents. It's somewhere between Boston and Vancouver.
MakMan44 said:Yeah, that was my initial thought, who would they even spend the money on in 2015?
RedOctober3829 said:Say We get a top 3 pick. Would you offer up Rondo, Wallace, #17, and a future #1?
jimbobim said:No one can match what boston can offer in quantity.
Can you sell Love and Rondo on
PG) Rondo
SG) Gordon Hayward
SF) Jeff Green
PF Kevin Love
PF/C ( Embib/ Olynyly/ Randle ?)
Humphries
Wallace
DrewDawg said:
You're not getting Love and keeping the lottery pick.