Celtics 2016 Summer League Thread
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Celtics have 13 under contract, plus Brown? Wonder if Nader is playing his way into the last slot.
Celts just can't rebound at all. I may be exaggerating, but it seemed like the Cavs got about 20 offensive rebounds.
Good stuff from Brown and especially Rozier. Yabusele knows what he's doing on O but needs a lot of work on the other end.
Regarding Brown, the eye-popping combination of explosiveness and agility obviously stands out, but I was also excited by his speed up the court- he'll beat 90% of SFs up the floor on fast breaks. With his first step, he can get separation at will (and that spin move!) and he plays with his head up so I think he can be a plus distributor once the game slows down for him. As HRB has been harping on, his jump shot form is actually pretty good. He's already got the NBA strength to finish (check the and-one at the end of the game) so he just needs to learn to initiate contact at the rim, plus he's going to fill out even more. He has a long way to go, but if defenses have to respect his shot, the offense will be wide open for him.
Shouldn't the Cs have one of he better summer league teams? They have had lots of draft picks the last few years.
I would probably agree with this although I would guess that Brown also has the longest road. I'd also say that as pure athletes go, it's Brown, Dunn and Chriss as the top 3.
Ok, I ll say it. The way Jaylen Brown drove to the basket yesterday reminded me of Dominique Willkins. I am not saying that he's going to be as good as him or that he's a similar player to him- though he may be, I don't have an opinion. It's just that his form reminded me of him. Obviously I could be completely wrong, I am just throwing it in there.
I think Danny tried to trade for Jimmy Butler, decided the price was way too high, and decided to draft his own Jimmy Butler.
Watching this one (apparently by myself).
Jaylen looks fine in the second half, and looked very good in the first. Marcus Thornton is the worst player I've ever seen in my life. A guard who can't shoot, or handle the basketball, with no apparent defensive potential.
Jaylen looks fine in the second half, and looked very good in the first. Marcus Thornton is the worst player I've ever seen in my life. A guard who can't shoot, or handle the basketball, with no apparent defensive potential.
I watched a decent amount. Brown was scoring effectively in the first and his jumper looked good. Made some bad turnovers, but it was clear they wanted him to handle the ball a lot this game. Second half his shot went awry, but he was still good at getting to the basket.
After watching him all summer, he's an explosive athlete and one of the quickest players I saw out there. His ability to pass improved as the games went on, but still is probably a bit below average. His ability to get to the rim is undeniable, but he's out of control too much and needs to find the right way to use his speed, quickness and athleticism. I think he will mature though. He could be a special player.
After watching him all summer, he's an explosive athlete and one of the quickest players I saw out there. His ability to pass improved as the games went on, but still is probably a bit below average. His ability to get to the rim is undeniable, but he's out of control too much and needs to find the right way to use his speed, quickness and athleticism. I think he will mature though. He could be a special player.
Any word on why James Young wasn't in the box score? All I have seen has been the box.
I mean, besides him being horrible at basketball.
Could a third year player possibly get a DNP CD?
I mean, besides him being horrible at basketball.
Could a third year player possibly get a DNP CD?
technically a sore knee, but I wonder if he would have been one without. Jamie Young pulled him from last game on account of being terrible.
I've beat this drum plenty but it's important to know that rookie Jimmy Butler, at age 22, played less than 400 minutes of nearly all garbage time, and avg 2.6 ppg.
These things take time.
Of course, in the case of James Young the amount of time it will take is likely measured in eons and involves reincarnation...
Well that's true, but it was the lockout year. Looking at his rate stats he was already pretty good. My guess is that in a regular year he would have made the rotation in training camp.
Those numbers were primarily in 4th quarter of blowouts so I take them with a grain of salt but it's better than if they were bad I suppose. My main point was that if you can have patience with a 22-year old we should have double patience for a raw 19-year old.
As far as the lockout goes. The Bulls had just acquired Brewer, Korver and Rip Hamilton to play those wing minutes on a championship contender.....training camp wasn't a factor in Butlers role the only opportunity that rookie was going to have is if injuries forced Thibs to give him minutes. For me this is the ideal way for a rookie to break into the league.....learning from the bench while veterans show you how you prepare to win every night. It helps create very good habits.
What you are saying makes sense theoretically. That's just not how it works. Jimmy Butler is the only player on last year's all-star rosters that didn't play 1000 minutes as a rookie (Kyle Lowry got hurt so I didn't count him). He should have, but he didn't get to play in summer league and he didn't get a training camp to make an impression. The ideal way for a rookie to break into the league is by playing on a competitive team in a meaningful supporting role. Let's be fair: no one takes the James Young route to the all-star game. If Brown doesn't earn a rotation spot as a rookie, that's a huge red flag.
Reggie Lewis played 405 minutes his rookie year at age 22 also.
This Celtics team is not a championship team currently. But if it doesn't have a ton of minutes for 19yo Jaylen Brown, I'm not sure that's necessarily a bad omen for his career. They have to balance winning games now with player development.
This Celtics team is not a championship team currently. But if it doesn't have a ton of minutes for 19yo Jaylen Brown, I'm not sure that's necessarily a bad omen for his career. They have to balance winning games now with player development.
Honest question as I don't have time to look it up. It would seem to me that most impact rookies don't get to play on competitive teams in the first year - particularly 48 win teams - so isn't Brown's situation different?
I think he will get some run because of his defense and may be thrust into a bigger role with the 2nd team if Rozier doesn't turn into a rotation player (Brown maybe taking the Evan Turner role on the second team), but would any of us be shocked if the Cs can't find 1000 minutes for Brown while on their way to a 50-win season?
Frank Kaminski and Justise Winslow were rotation players on 48 win teams. I really like Jerebko and Rozier, but if Brown doesn't make the rotation because he can't beat those guys out his career expectations would take a significant hit.
Rozier is a far superior player today with a good chance of always being the better player. Jerebko is the better and more trusted "role" player today. I like Jaylen's future but I don't see how you can expect him to get minutes ahead of better players right now. Kaminski and Winslow were not raw when they entered the league......apples to oranges.
As mentioned above, the primary reason for high profile teenagers getting rookie minutes is that the team isn't competitive in that players first year. When winning real live NBA games is the objective very few teenagers are capable of filling a significant role. That isn't a bad thing at all imo. I'd much prefer my guy sitting and watching Deng, Noah, Rose and Brewer executing a game plan before/during/after tipoff as opposed to running around aimlessly with Rob Covington, Isaiah Cannon and JaKarr Sampson ehile creating bad habits.
This isn't fair. NBA teams don't get to choose between sitting a rookie behind good players or playing one with bad. Not sure how that relates. To me, the best development opportunities occur when young guys play with older players, not just watch them. My position is that we should expect Brown to earn playing time this year. 1000 minutes is not a high threshold. It's 12 minutes a game. If he doesn't it's a bad sign, particularly because he was advertised as physically NBA-ready right after the draft.
Edit: poor wording
He was advertised as "raw" in every way. NBA athleticism and body, raw skills across the board. Those guys need coaching.
We don't really disagree as those 12 mpg in those 1000 minutes would mostly come by default in 4th quarters of games or spot minutes due to foul trouble/injuries. There is a difference being physically ready and being mentally ready to react to NBA schemes rather than stopping and thinking prior to taking action. Brown is going to need time for the game to slow down for him as Rozier did last year.
When I say sitting I wasn't referring to being buried in a shirt and tie.....I don't like the Antoine situations where you come in from Day One, put up numbers without a clue how the NBA game works, then declaring in your second season that you are a "veteran star."
But the point being that Kaminsky went to a 33 win team, Winslow went to a 37 win team, while Brown is going to a 48 win team that is deeper than most. For example, the only other SF on the Miami roster was James Ennis.
Besides, not sure it would be so bad for Brown's development to spend some of the first half of the season playing 30 minutes a night in the DLeague - not that I expect this to happen. I'm pretty confident Brad can find a role for him.
Agree with most of what was posted except for the good chance of always being the better player.
Were you comparing Rozier to Brown? If so, that is incredibly sad that the #3 pick in the draft has only a small chance to ever be better than Rozier.
Rozier was great in Summer League and acquitted himself well in the playoffs, but it may be time to hold off on his All-Star game invite.
Brown will not be an All-Star this year but I hope Danny drafted him with the expectation that he would be one someday.
The Celtics are deeper than most teams, but not at the 3. When Crowder was injured, the lack of depth at wing was immediately apparent. Jerebko was too slow, Turner was too small and Smart bricked a lot of shots. If Brown doesn't get minutes, it won't be because the Celtics are too deep, but because he's not ready to play team defense yet.
Basing a 19 year olds career expectations on whether he can beat out NBA veterans for spot minutes on a likely 50 win team is dumb.
Why? Every quote I've read from Ainge indicates that they expect him to play right away. His NBA body is why they drafted him. If he doesn't earn minutes I think that would be a problem.
What should we base the 19 year old's career expectations on if not on his playing ability?
This is fair. I just don't think the game will slow down for him until he plays. And he really shouldn't be on Rozier's timetable. Rozier has no where near the pedigree that Brown has. I agree with your general point that he's not going to be Jimmy Butler day one, but if he has Terry Rozier's rookie season that should be a disappointment.
We should base a 19-year olds career expectations somewhere during his second season. That's what I did with James Yiu g who showed zero growth as a player. I did same with Rozier ahead of my stated timetable due to the improvement he showed as a rookie and continued to this summer. Should Brown make a similar improvement as Rozier has I will be ecstatic.
These are fair points. I think too many of us remember a time hen the draft was college seniors and juniors. For quite some time thehas been alot more like the the NHL or MLB where you draft prospects that are years away.