Carson Smith diagnosed with strained flexor muscle and will start season on DL

[RedOctober3829]

Buster Olney ‏@Buster_ESPN 10s11 seconds ago
Carson Smith left Boston's game with cramping in his forearm. Wasn't a case of feeling something on just one pitch.


Something major to monitor. Forearm injuries are NEVER good with a pitcher.

 

[IdiotKicker]

See you in 12-18 months, Carson.

 

[Red(s)HawksFan]

Damaged goods? Can they make the M's send back Miley?

I'm joking, of course.

Hopefully whatever it is is minor, but I'm not holding my breath.

 

[JBJ_HOF]

No a death sentence, as we know with Lackey and Kelly.

 

[DJnVa]

No a death sentence, as we know with Lackey and Kelly.

Especially because we don't know what it is yet.

 

[E5 Yaz]

Especially because we don't know what it is yet.

They have to amputate

 

[soxhop411]

Michael Silverman ‏@MikeSilvermanBB 1m1 minute ago
Carson Smith: 'I'm concerned. It's my career.' Said prelim exam showed nothing alarming. Was not told what test he'd have tonight.

Sean McAdam ‏@Sean_McAdam 1m1 minute ago
Carson Smith, taken out of game for precautionary reasons after experiencing forearm tightness, to be evaluated tonight in Fort Myers.

Michael Silverman ‏@MikeSilvermanBB 10m10 minutes ago
Farrell: Carson Smith left w 'tightness' & 'cramping' in forearm. Will be evaluated further tonight. 'Always concern' w any injury to a P.

 

[StuckOnYouk]

Remember his velocity dipped last September even though his numbers were still great.
Wonder if the M's had serious concerns

 

[luckysox]

Well that was fun. Here's hoping Koji gets his groove back quickly.

 

[JBJ_HOF]

Remember his velocity dipped last September even though his numbers were still great.
Wonder if the M's had serious concerns

I'm sure he failed the trade and spring training physicals and the Red Sox just didn't care.

 

[SydneySox]

Carlos Marmol's going to happen, you guys.

 

[joe dokes]

They have to amputate

But that's only a precautionary amputation. We have to wait until he schedules a visit to Dr. Andrews, then we'll know.

 

[SydneySox]

This is a man's livelihood, can you and E5 Yaz stop speculating on what having an amputation means for his career ffs?

 

[richgedman'sghost]

What happened to the famed Red Sox medical staff? You would think with the velocity drop in September, eyebrows might have been raised. The Red Sox never seem to have any luck trading for relievers. At least we cannot blame this deal on Ben. . So we get a pitcher who is damaged goods. See you in July of 2017 after your TJ surgery.
Not my viewpoint but the viewpoint of a typical Felger Jazz caller.

 

[E5 Yaz]

Not my viewpoint but the viewpoint of a typical Felger Jazz caller.

Then why fucking bother post it?

 

[MakMan44]

Well this sucks. Hope it's nothing, but there's probably no chance we're that lucky

 

[SydneySox]

What happened to the famed Red Sox medical staff? You would think with the velocity drop in September, eyebrows might have been raised. The Red Sox never seem to have any luck trading for relievers. At least we cannot blame this deal on Ben. . So we get a pitcher who is damaged goods. See you in July of 2017 after your TJ surgery.
Not my viewpoint but the viewpoint of a typical Felger Jazz caller.

What?

So what's your viewpoint?

Carson Smith once killed a bear with his teeth and then wore its hairy bear ballsack as a hat on a date with a Canadian lumbermistress.
Not my viewpoint but the viewpoint of someone who has strange arctic furry fetishes.

 

[richgedman'sghost]

Then why fucking bother post it?

We had all sorts of joking about amputation just a few posts above mine. Why did you become the Sheriff of this place? I was trying to lighten the atmosphere. Sorry to upset you. Please accept my apology.

 

[Minneapolis Millers]

What happened to the famed Red Sox medical staff? ...

Of greater imperative, where are the famed SOSH medical experts?? I demand an immediate interweb diagnosis!

One note referred to them checking his wrist and forearm. Is that a better sign? "Wrist" sounds better than "elbow"...

 

[SydneySox]

We had all sorts of joking about amputation just a few posts above mine. Why did you become the Sheriff of this place? I was trying to lighten the atmosphere. Sorry to upset you. Please accept my apology.

This doesn't even make sense. We had joking so you were trying to lighten the joking atmosphere?

Normally when you make a joke you don't explain it.

Like, that thing with the furry, that was a joke but if I'd said 'This is my actual fantasy' instead of making up a part about how it was just a fantasy of a "friend" it'd wreck the joke.

In all reality, this is a big deal and it's clearly going to completely fuck the Red Sox. You may have been right to lighten the atmosphere but the Sheriff has his rules and those rules are pretty clear - this is a place of business.

 

[chrisfont9]

For people assuming we're on to Dr. Andrews' operating table, there is no certainty that forearm tightness indicates a ruptured ligament in the elbow. Just today Aaron Loup of the Jays began throwing after feeling forearm tightness and being shut down for two weeks. The MRI showed his elbow was sound and didn't need surgery, or at least that's where things stand now. Smith may not get this lucky but it's not a certainty he's done.

 

[Rasputin]

What happened to the famed Red Sox medical staff? You would think with the velocity drop in September, eyebrows might have been raised. The Red Sox never seem to have any luck trading for relievers. At least we cannot blame this deal on Ben. . So we get a pitcher who is damaged goods. See you in July of 2017 after your TJ surgery.
Not my viewpoint but the viewpoint of a typical Felger Jazz caller.

What the heck makes you think anything happened to the medical staff? Do you think it's impossible for the team to have given him a clean bill of health, have been correct, and for him still to have gotten an injury?

Stop trying to blame people for things that happen just because things happen.

 

[Van Everyman]

For people assuming we're on to Dr. Andrews' operating table, there is no certainty that forearm tightness indicates a ruptured ligament in the elbow. Just today Aaron Loup of the Jays began throwing after feeling forearm tightness and being shut down for two weeks. The MRI showed his elbow was sound and didn't need surgery, or at least that's where things stand now. Smith may not get this lucky but it's not a certainty he's done.

I, for one, am simply hoping he didn't get his MRI done by the guy who read Arroyo's.

 

[Pozo the Clown]

Of greater imperative, where are the famed SOSH medical experts?? I demand an immediate interweb diagnosis!

I'm not a Dr., but a once played the role of Dr. Rusty Speculum, OB-GYN in a low-budget porn film. In my "professional" opinion, it's premature to speculate as to how f*cked Smith is or isn't. I'll be at the bar should anyone desire any further "insight."

 

[uncannymanny]

I'm not a Dr., but a once played the role of Dr. Rusty Speculum, OB-GYN in a low-budget porn film. In my "professional" opinion, it's premature to speculate as to how f*cked Smith is or isn't. I'll be at the bar should anyone desire any further "insight."

I see what you did there.

 

[Yelling At Clouds]

I'm not on the Doomtrain on this one quite yet, but it does suck to be back to wondering if people like Matt Barnes, Brandon Workman, or Pat Light can be counted on.

 

[Al Zarilla]

Carlos Marmol's going to happen, you guys.

He looked pretty awful against the Mets, and he's only hitting 90-91. One outing, but how many looks does a reclamation project get.

 

[benhogan]

On another note, the news of Lester having bone chips in his elbow maybe adds a little clarity to the lowball initial offer from Ben / Lucchino & Co.

And if nothing else the Mgmt/Ownership group deserves some credit by not being sore losers to Theo/Cubs and leaking that news to the media last year.

 

[chrisfont9]

I'm not on the Doomtrain on this one quite yet, but it does suck to be back to wondering if people like Matt Barnes, Brandon Workman, or Pat Light can be counted on.

At least Barnes looks good at the moment. Not that 8 ST innings is a sure thing, but still...

 

[Sampo Gida]

On another note, the news of Lester having bone chips in his elbow maybe adds a little clarity to the lowball initial offer from Ben / Lucchino & Co.

And if nothing else the Mgmt/Ownership group deserves some credit by not being sore losers to Theo/Cubs and leaking that news to the media last year.

The low ball offer was due to the team really not wanting to commit those kind of dollars and years to a guy who had been somewhat inconsistent over the previous 3 years. The chip (s) are something he has had awhile now, perhaps even when Theo was here, and has not been a problem, and if it starts being a problem it is something that's easily corrected surgically in the offseason, and he would be ready by the next ST. Worst case is you need to do it someday during the season and you miss a few months, but that's not a given. Cubs knew about it before they made the deal official.

Giving credit to someone for not doing something unethical, if not illegal, seems a bit over the top IMO

 

[Sampo Gida]

There are many cases where a pitcher experiences a forearm strain or tightness and does not need TJS. Andrew Miller was out for a month last year and came back fine. Of course, a fair number of pitchers sometimes experience forearm tightness as the first symptom of a UCL problem. His drop in velocity in the 2nd half last year may or may not be another sign. Just have to wait and see what the MRI says.

 

[DaveRoberts'Shoes]

He's probably gonna die.

Someday.

I went to medical school for insights like this

 

[E5 Yaz]

He's probably gonna die.

Someday.

I went to medical school for insights like this

You got snookered

 

[carver]

At least Barnes looks good at the moment. Not that 8 ST innings is a sure thing, but still...

Just from the eye test Barnes' stuff looks livelier, too...

 

[DaveRoberts'Shoes]

You got snookered

Apparently "Colombia" and "Columbia" are VERY different things...

 

[Soxfan in Fla]

He's probably gonna die.

Someday.

I went to medical school for insights like this

Do we owe $10 for this insight or are insights of this sort considered freebies?

 

[Van Everyman]

It's actually ten Colombian pesos or one of Marciano's dowry goats.

 

[Tyrone Biggums]

My guess is he probably starts the year on the 15 day DL but he's fine. I think the stars are aligning for Marmol or Barnes to make the squad.

 

[glennhoffmania]

If you squint enough you can find some optimism here:

“I think everybody here, if they felt something in their forearm, is going to be concerned. Who knows how serious it is. We toyed with some tests in there and . . . there were optimistic results.”

Farrell said Smith had not expressed any prior tightness in the forearm this spring, and the reliever noted that he had never experienced a problem.

“I will say this, someone who took the ball 70 times a year ago, I can’t imagine there’s not some normal wear and tear that a pitcher goes through, but (he has) not stated anything along those lines this spring,” Farrell said.

 

[pjr]

Peter Abraham
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FORT MYERS, Fla. — Righthanded reliever Carson Smith left the Red Sox clubhouse at JetBlue Park on Tuesday morning to get further tests on his forearm.

Smith left Monday’s game against the Cardinals with what was described as cramping.

“Not much of an update. I saw the doctor when I got back [Monday]. It checked out pretty positive,” Smith said. “I’ll be going for a few more tests and we’ll see where it’s at.”

Presumably Smith will get an MRI at some point on Tuesday but he did not know what tests were scheduled. Before Smith spoke to three reporters, a Red Sox official pulled him aside and spoke to him in quiet tones.

“It feels all right. It doesn’t feel too bad,” Smith said. “I’m relieved a little bit and we’ll see where it goes. It’s pretty close to normal. I can’t say it’s normal, but it’s feeling better.”

Smith, 26, was obtained from the Seattle Mariners in December. The Red Sox view him as a key set-up man in their bullpen. Smith appeared in 70 games for Seattle last season, allowing only 49 hits over 70 innings and striking out 92.

If Smith starts the season on the disabled list, righthander Matt Barnes moves into consideration for a spot on the roster. Barnes has thrown 8 1/3 scoreless innings in spring training, allowing five hits and striking out nine with one walk.
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[The Price Is Wrong]

Apparently "Colombia" and "Columbia" are VERY different things...

Which one has more cocaine available?

 

[LesterFan]

 

[soxhop411]

For those on Mobile

“@MikeSilvermanBB: Carson Smith MRI results: strain of flexor mass muscle. Will go on DL. Expected to pitch this year, no timetable available.”


Same injury Andrew Miller had and he missed around a month.

 

[Tyrone Biggums]

So now does the team go with Barnes? Or purchase Marmols contract? Or none of the above?

 

[DaveRoberts'Shoes]

Early May is probably best-case scenario - up to 12 weeks if he comes around slow or has setbacks

 

[Maximus]

Bad news, Barnes will need to step up in the interim. Carson's delivery has to impact this problem.

 

[JimD]

For those on Mobile


Same injury Andrew Miller had and he missed around a month.

Not to bum anyone out, but Homer Bailey was also diagnosed with this injury when he was initially sidelined in August 2014. He underwent surgery that September to repair the muscle and rehabbed it for a Spring Training 2015 come back but ended up undergoing TJ surgery last May. The Sox and Smith are not out of the woods yet.

 

[czar]

Same injury that ended Buchholz's season last year.

Here's a list of other "flexor strains" from 2015.

Jason Vargas, missed ~6 weeks, made 1 start upon return, then underwent TJS.
Matt Cain, missed ~12 weeks
Doug Fister, missed ~3-4 weeks
Joe Nathan, missed ~3-4 weeks, re-injured elbow in AAA, required TJS
Cliff Lee, well, we all know how he has done the last few years.

 

[Rasputin]

So now does the team go with Barnes? Or purchase Marmols contract? Or none of the above?

I would guess Barnes since he is rapidly approaching the point where he's got to put up or GTFO. It would be nice if he could have some solid outings in big league games before going back.

Of course if he has some solid outings he might not be going back.

What's up with Koji? MLB.com is showing he's only had three appearances this season and none since 3/14/. Oh, and he's allowed seven hits. Without Carson Smith, we're gonna need good Koji.

 

[SoxLegacy]

Ras, I read that in the last game that Koji appeared in, he was throwing one pitch exclusively--he was experimenting with a cutter.