So how about Spooner for Marchand, Caron for Eriksson (replacing Smith on the Kelly line), and Robins on the Merlot?
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It may have been excessively violent, but Thornton tried to get Orpik to go face to face for about 30 seconds earlier, so I don't think anyone who speaks English as a first language could put it in those terms. Gutless is kneeing a downed guy in the head and then skating off onto the bench.RedRocketeer said:
I've been grinding my teeth for a half an hour and this made me laugh. Thanks Felix.FelixMantilla said:
Orpik may have chickened out when challenged, but he had no chance to defend himself from a pre-meditated surprise attack from behind.
I believe the league has to look at this very seriously.
I believe the league has to look at this very seriously.
Just saw the Thornton act on Coaches Corner. Don Cherry said he loves Thornton but you can't defend what he did. Would not comment on how long a suspension should be. Said you have to challenge him rather than do that. It did look pretty bad.
Pretty good angle of what happened. I didn't catch the slew foot on nesn, and the last punch is the one that got him....right to the temple. Thornton's gonna be gone for a while.brohirrum said:
Lets be clear. This is no Bertuzzi incident. People throw while guys are down all the time. This is an example of the refs not controlling a game and it spiraling out of hand fast. The Ericsson hit and the knee put Pburgh in this position. Thorty went after Orpik and gave him some shots. He didn't skate up to a defenseless player and knee him in the head. The fact that Orpik got wheeled off will result in further discipline, but it is in a different league in my opinion.
And they will. But words mean things.RedRocketeer said:
The message the league will inevitably send is that it's pretty much OK to try to hurt someone who is defenseless with a dirty play if you're unsuccessful, but that it's evil to punch someone defenseless in retaliation if you're successful.
There is not a single person here that does not think Thornton deserves a long suspension.RedRocketeer said:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qePKiGYqbkY
Orpik was slew-footed down from behind and had barely any time before Thornton started throwing punches.
Orpik was slew-footed down from behind and had barely any time before Thornton started throwing punches.
Oh, I think it was. The slew foot is what brings him down in the first place.Haunted said:
I think Thornton saw one teammate concussed with a careless, but unintentional hit to the head and the guy who did it wouldn't go, then saw another teammate possibly concussed with a deliberate shot to the head and decided someone was eating a fist. And, hey, here's the guy who threw the first hit. The result was unlucky and a bit surprising.
Neal will get 2 games and Thornton ~10. It's the NHL Department of "Player Safety" - everything depends on who leaves on the stretcher, not intent.
For full disclosure, I'd give both players 10 games. As disgusting as Thornton's jumping of Orpik is (for what I thought wasn't a bad hit), Neal's obvious targeting of Marchand's head was at least as bad, as it was clearly premeditated.
Thornton had at least as much intent in his action as Neal, IMHO.
For full disclosure, I'd give both players 10 games. As disgusting as Thornton's jumping of Orpik is (for what I thought wasn't a bad hit), Neal's obvious targeting of Marchand's head was at least as bad, as it was clearly premeditated.
Thornton had at least as much intent in his action as Neal, IMHO.
I am not a fan of either team so I don't think I have any bias here. There is no doubt that Thornton used his leg and swept it into Orpik's leg causing him to lose his balance and fall.
Myt1 said:
This. The Penguins want to fuck around and then not drop the gloves? Well, that's the kind of shit that happens when you do that. And Neal kneeing Marchand in the head was every bit as malicious.
Chara denied a scoring chance on a hook, but he's too big to draw a call.
Smith has been awesome.
Smith has been awesome.
I did watch it. And it happened to quickly to be an intentional slew. He went at him, knocked him down and punched him out.Lupe Whalewatch said:
I agree with PSK. 10 games each for Neal and Thornton seems right. Unfortunately, it'll be 10ish for Thornton and none for Neal.
I am not sure the outcome should be considered surprising or unlucky when Orpik is jumped, knocked to the ice, and before he probably knew what was going on was punched in the head at least twice by a professional athlete who knows how to throw a punch, with no time to brace for impact or raise his arms.Myt1 said:
I do agree that Neal should get more than he likely will even though Marchand wasn't badly injured. But it's not like this was two brawlers who had a fair fight and one happened to take a punch the wrong way. Not even close.
And honestly, the Orpik hit on Loui wasn't this innocent hockey play people are making it out to be. He left his feet aiming high on Ericksson and the puck was well past them.
I thought Orpik's hit on Eriksson was dirty. To me, it looked he targeted Loui's head.PedroSpecialK said:
Edit: or just look at the gif.
I was out and just got in...the way you guys are talking about the Thornton thing doesn't match up with the video. This is nothing like Bertuzzi. He should be suspended for punching him while he was down, but I feel like most of that altercation happens pretty regularly in the NHL, even the trip. I guess you can call it a slew foot, but it's remarkably less dangerous in this situation than it is in open play.
That knee to Marchand's head is very, very dirty. I'm very uncomfortable watching that. Equally uncomfortable as watching Thornton tee off on Orpik when he's down.
That knee to Marchand's head is very, very dirty. I'm very uncomfortable watching that. Equally uncomfortable as watching Thornton tee off on Orpik when he's down.
If the Bruins have a third period like they did against Montreal, they can still take this game. Fleury is no Price.
People get sucker punched all the time. The result is surprising because the first punch knocked him cold despite not really landing all that flush.Toe Nash said:
Thortnon should be suspended 10 or more games. That hit was classless and dirty. Neal doesn't escape any blame and should be suspended as well.
Agreed. But the target area was the head, which is the issue for me. He could have delivered just as big a check and put a shoulder into Loui's chest. But he took dead aim at his head. And it isn't like Loui ducked at the last instant or anything.Haunted said:
Judge Mental13 said:And honestly, the Orpik hit on Loui wasn't this innocent hockey play people are making it out to be. He left his feet aiming high on Ericksson and the puck was well past them.
I hate to justify a hit that resulted in an injury, but before the puck goes by Eriksson and Eriksson cuts back slightly to the inside, Orpik's committed to the hit. He hits Eriksson in the shoulder while the puck's in the vicinity. He also glides into the hit with no additional strides taken before contact.
I hate that Eriksson's hurt and I hate that Orpik laid him out, but I don't see it as an overtly dirty hit, just as I've never seen Orpik as a real dirty player. It was puzzling the first time Thornton really went after Orpik and drew himself a minor out of it. It was outright idiotic when he decided to pull Orpik down and tee off. That's not characteristic of Thornton at all - I'm left wondering if seeing so many teammates injured by head hits without any real retribution set him off.
It seems like the injury stems from his head hitting the ice, just hoping this doesn't keep Eriksson out for too long.
Above all, fuck James Neal in his stupid face.
Nomar813 said:
scottyno said:
Tonight is Exhibit B. This is Exhibit A:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1jCBeV2aHd8