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I think it is doable. A lot depends on their projections for Carlo. Do they see him as a 4/5 defensive defenseman, like maybe a Brandon Coburn, or do they think he has untapped offensive potential? If they think it's the former, then I can see trading him for Duchene.
 

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The ask is for a young top 4 defenseman, and we know they like Carlo from the Landeskog talks, but that leaves the Bruins pretty thin on defense. I like Duchene and think a change of scenery could do him good, but I'm not a fan of trading Carlo.
I am for trading Carlo if the other team values him properly/highly. If Carlo can return Duchene as the main piece of a deal, I'd be all over it. They'd have to add some small pieces but they have many.

Carlo proved a lot last year but there are still question marks that I'm willing to let someone else gamble on. He lacks the elite upside McAvoy has.

On Duchene, I'm optimistic getting him out of Colorado but one negative is that he's only under contract this year and next. Then it looks like he's unrestricted. That stinks. Surprising that they structured it like that.
 

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I agree that McAvoy makes dealing him easier, but we saw last year how much that depth meant when half their defense went down. Sure, it's unlikely to lose that many guys that quickly, but even losing one or two guys is enough to throw them off. Lauzon and Zboril are still a few years away, and it's unclear how close O'Gara and Gryzlyck are from contributing in the top 6. As is, that would leave them with Chara-McAvoy, Krug-Miller, Postma?-McQuaid pairings, and little depth otherwise. It's not horrible, but it's not good.

Cap wise could it work? They would have to keep McQuaid for their defense, and Belesky is unlikely to be moved back to them without partnering some high picks with the contract.

I don't see it happening, but what do I know?
 

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Yeah, it'd be tight. The Bruins would probably need the Avs to either take back Beleskey or retain on Duchene. Either would up the acquisition cost.

A ideal move would probably look like Carlo, Spooner, Beleskey and then futures.
 

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Yeah, it'd be tight. The Bruins would probably need the Avs to either take back Beleskey or retain on Duchene. Either would up the acquisition cost.

A ideal move would probably look like Carlo, Spooner, Beleskey and then futures.
I could get behind that just because it would mean Spooner is gone, which means it won't happen.

They'd have to add some depth with what's left of the FA defensive market, but it would be interesting.
 

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Perhaps getting Krejci to Carolina for one if their d men would off set that and leave Duchene as second line center.
 

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Perhaps getting Krejci to Carolina for one if their d men would off set that and leave Duchene as second line center.
I'd LOVE to trade Krejci but:
-he has only moderate value given his injury history and contract/production ratio
-he has a no trade clause
-his wife is from the Boston area

Krejci at 7M/yr isn't great, but as the 2C, it could be a lot worse.
 

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I'd LOVE to trade Krejci but:
-he has only moderate value given his injury history and contract/production ratio
-he has a no trade clause
-his wife is from the Boston area

Makes it unlikely to find a match. The team would have to really want him and he'd have to want to leave.
He's probably coming up with that based on Haggerty subbing in for T&R this morning. He said he's heard the team floated the idea of waiving the NMC clause by Krejci and he wasn't interested. He went on to speculate that MAYBE he could be talked into waiving to go to Carolina since he makes his offseason home in Charleston. He obviously doesn't own a fucking globe because it's a 5 hour drive between Raleigh and Charleston, so if you gotta get on a plane anyway to get there in 1 day, he might as well stay in Boston.
 

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I'd LOVE to trade Krejci but:
-he has only moderate value given his injury history and contract/production ratio
-he has a no trade clause
-his wife is from the Boston area

Krejci at 7M/yr isn't great, but as the 2C, it could be a lot worse.
Technically it's $7.25, and he has negative, not moderate value. But after this offseason I think it's closer to free agent market value than I did last year. I think he would have gotten 4 years $5-6 million if he was a free agent this year. Of course, that team would have been laughed at for giving him a contract like that.

While he's not worth his contract, he's still a good player. He just turned 31 (I always assume like he's older than he actually is) and played last season recovering from major hip surgery. I don't think it's unreasonable to expect a bit of a bounceback season if he's fully healthy (a big if).
 

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Personally I'd much rather see what a healthy Krejci can do this year with Pastrnak with another year under his belt and a burner like Anders Bjork on his other wing. I see that as a much better option than to trade him for pennies on the dollar and give up a young defenseman in Carlo, plus other assets for Duchene.
 

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With Spooner unable to fill a top 3 center spot, they simply don't have the depth to trade him. JFK seems unlikely to fill the role soon, and until then they need Krejci.

I'd also like to see him have a healthy season, as I think he can be a productive player. I'm excited for what they have. I think it's smart to let the kids claim some spots this year. The competition between DeBrusk, Bjork, Heinen and Senyshyn will be very interesting as well. I'd also like JFK to be ready to go so they can jettison Spooner into the sun.
 

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Haggerty is an idiot. Carolina just happens to be a team other than Vegas who seems to be flush with D and space to take on his contract.
 

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Schaller re-signed. 1/$775K.


He was arb eligible in addition to Spooner, Czarnik and McIntyre. Guessing the B's have deals done for Czarnik and McIntyre since neither player filed.
 

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I thought Spooner was a goner for sure, but I guess that's not the case. His counting stats probably put him in line for a decent raise, maybe to ~$3 million. The writing seemed to be on the wall with JFK's arrival and the Spooner healthy scratches in the Ottawa series. Here we are though? I'm not sure if he can be traded after filing.

I suppose the team is worried about the center depth. They don't seem to want to use Backes as 3C (my preference) so the options past Bergeron and Krejci are limited. Nash and Czarnik are the only C's with NHL experience. Maybe they don't want JFK to shoulder that load right out of the gate?
 

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I'm puzzled too. I understand, to a certain degree, not wanting to give up on a player with Spooner's speed, creativity and youth. But he's not much use when he isn't playing center, and he's a defensive liability. He's what Cassidy calls "a line rush" guy. Maybe that's what they want on the third line.

JFK is a natural center. I can't see him playing in the wing. I can see him spending a season in Providence, though, and Nash as the fourth-line center.
 

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Why haven't the B's signed Pasta?

Buffalo could swoop in and offer him 9-10m a year and we'd do what? Let him go for 4 first round picks? Actually sounds pretty good considering how bad they suck...
 

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The Bs are mentioned once again as a potential trade partner for the Avs regarding Duchene -

http://www.thehockeynews.com/news/article/five-teams-that-still-make-sense-as-matt-duchene-trade-partners
The link basically says it doesn't make sense for the Bruins, and it appears they are linked in large part because they have what Colorado wants (defense prospects).

Why haven't the B's signed Pasta?

Buffalo could swoop in and offer him 9-10m a year and we'd do what? Let him go for 4 first round picks? Actually sounds pretty good considering how bad they suck...
From what I understand the parameters have been discussed, but they are apart a bit on money. It's my understanding Pasta's camp is waiting for Draisatl to sign as he is a more comparable player to Pasta than McDavid. I think we've estimated here that he will get $6.5m per year once all is said and done.

And restricted free agents are rarely offer sheeted in the NHL. I don't expect that to happen, and I don't see anyway Buffal offers him a ridiculous contract like that.
 

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The league would be a lot more fun if offer sheets were a thing, but they aren't. Dustin Penner is the most recent accepted offer sheet and that was 2007. Ryan O'Reilly is the last player to sign one and that was 2013. Teams just don't use it. Kucherov and Lindholm were prime candidates last year as good players due big raises on teams with a cap crunch. If they didn't get one, I don't think anybody is. If one were to happen out of the blue to Pastrnak, the Bruins have the room to match anyways.

Draisaitl would be an interesting offer sheet candidate if some team had the balls to do it.
 

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Pastrnak' agent has all the leverage right now. He's not missing any game checks in July. They can wait it out. Why would they sign a deal until Chiarelli inevitably overpays Draisaitl? Buffalo doesn't want Boston turning around and signing Eichel to an offer sheet next year. And if they signed Pastrnak to an offer sheet there's no way Eichel's camp would negotiate with Buffalo unless they offered him McDavid money. They would just wait for the offer sheet from Boston.
 
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Pastrnak' agent has all the leverage right now. He's not missing any game checks in July. They can wait it out. Why would they sign a deal until Chiarelli inevitably overpays Draisaitl. And Buffalo doesn't want Boston turning around and signing Eichel to an offer sheet next year. And if they signed Pastrnak to an offer sheet there's no way Eichel's camp would negotiate with Buffalo unless they offered him McDavid money. They would just wait for the offer sheet from Boston.
I would take a Pastrnak for Eichel trade.

GET IT DONE CHIA!
 

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I would take a Pastrnak for Eichel trade.

GET IT DONE CHIA!
I think that's a loss for the Bruins straight up. If they'd be swapping the next 4 1st rounders with Buffalo, that changes things...

Draisaitl could throw a wrench in things. I'd try to get Pasta done before that if he's being somewhat reasonable. I'm expecting a massive overpay by Chia there, ~$8.5 mil is my guess
 

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I don't think it is that outlandish. Pastrnak has produced more at 5x5 and on the PP than Eichel.

P/60 at 5x5

Eichel: 1.48, 1.76
Pastrnak: 2.47, 2.06, 2.14

Centers are typically more valuable than wingers, and there is quality of teammates to take into consideration (Pasta gets Krejci: Jack gets Reinhart) but I don't think they're too far off. Age is a wash, Pastrnak is only 5 months older.
 

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Eichel has been injured and playing with worse players with far more pressure on him. I love Pasta, but I think Eichel will be a top 3-5 player in the league in a few years. He played this whole last season recovering from a high ankle sprain.

Either way, it's obviously pretty subjective, and I'm glad the Bruins have one of them.
 

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Admittedly, my statement was really off the cuff, and I'm extremely biased. It's a really interesting comparison though. My initial thought was similar to what cshea said, Pastrnak is more proven and only 5 months older. I think they're both already borderline NHL stars. Generally I'd prefer the center but I really think Pastrnak can be a unique, elite, Kane-level winger. He's not yet as complete an offensive player as some of the other top players in his age range, but he can do things with the puck that no one else on the planet can. He's proven he's an elite scorer, has the skills to develop into an elite playmaker, and his defensive game is very mature for a young high skill player (thanks Claude)

I think Eichel will be a superstar too, I just see him more as a top 5-6 center in the league at his peak. Which objectively is probably better than Pastrnak. If you polled most NHL GMs I assume most/all of them would take Eichel.
 

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Admittedly, my statement was really off the cuff, and I'm extremely biased. It's a really interesting comparison though. My initial thought was similar to what cshea said, Pastrnak is more proven and only 5 months older. I think they're both already borderline NHL stars. Generally I'd prefer the center but I really think Pastrnak can be a unique, elite, Kane-level winger. He's not yet as complete an offensive player as some of the other top players in his age range, but he can do things with the puck that no one else on the planet can. He's proven he's an elite scorer, has the skills to develop into an elite playmaker, and his defensive game is very mature for a young high skill player (thanks Claude)

I think Eichel will be a superstar too, I just see him more as a top 5-6 center in the league at his peak. Which objectively is probably better than Pastrnak. If you polled most NHL GMs I assume most/all of them would take Eichel.
As your say, Eichel as a top 5 center is more valuable unless Pastrnak really reaches Kane's level. That is an exceptionally high level of play to expect. It's actually almost unreasonable to project it on almost anyone. For example, next season Vegas would put an over/under of 65 points for both Eichel and Pastrnak, in my opinion.
Was this an off the cuff statement or is there actually a belief that this is a possibility because he's a local kid?
He was unhappy when Buffalo was "stuck" with him at the draft lottery. There have been some rumors that he's still unhappy with the city and team being really bad and people associate players with their hometown teams. Kind of like how Yandle was always talked about to the Bruins.

As far as I know, there was no real source or specific rumor.
 

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Well I think the extension he signs this year will be interesting. Does he stand firm at 4 years, or does he go with the now standard 8 year deal
 

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Some Duchene/B's chatter in Friedman's year end 30 Thoughts.

eeit: link just posts the video

B's, CBJ, NSH, PIT and maybe CGY listed as the interested parties that could circle back to the Avs this summer. It seems that it is in Duchene and the Avs best interest to part says, but the Avs seem a little gun shy because they screwed up the ROR deal and don't want to do that again.

Sweeney said at dev camp he's still taking to other teams and free agents, but he is going to sort out the RFA's before doing anything else. I don't see something that makes sense for a B's perspective but there has been a lot of B's-Avs smoke. The new Shattenkirk rumor!
 

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Some Duchene/B's chatter in Friedman's year end 30 Thoughts.

eeit: link just posts the video

B's, CBJ, NSH, PIT and maybe CGY listed as the interested parties that could circle back to the Avs this summer. It seems that it is in Duchene and the Avs best interest to part says, but the Avs seem a little gun shy because they screwed up the ROR deal and don't want to do that again.

Sweeney said at dev camp he's still taking to other teams and free agents, but he is going to sort out the RFA's before doing anything else. I don't see something that makes sense for a B's perspective but there has been a lot of B's-Avs smoke. The new Shattenkirk rumor!
I basically see pretty much everything associated with the Bs and Avs making a trade to be the Avs asking for Carlo, the Bruins saying no and offering Zboril, and the Avs saying no. Then some various alteration of that, but still the same players.

I don't see this happening unless the Avs demands go down. I suspect they are looking for a ridiculous package for Duchene, and much more than they wanted for Landeskog. I'd be interested in seeing whether the price on Landeskog went down, but I doubt very much the Avs are either (1) going to be willing to deal either for what I would term a more reasonable package, and/or (2) willing to trade either without Carlo and a number of other pieces coming back.

I'd like him to just sign Pastrnak and then circle back if the Avs are still itching for a deal. I'd be open to something centered around Zboril, but also don't think the Avs have interest in him. I think Pittsburgh is a dark horse here. I half expect them to walk away with him after all this.
 

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The bulk of the deal would have to be Bruins futures. In a vacuum, I think Carlo for Duchene is fine, but that leaves the Bruins short on RHD. They'd have McAvoy, Miller, McQuaid...and then nothing until we get to Cameron Clarke and their two 7th round picks this season, Victor Berglund and Daniel Bukac. I think Carlo for Duchene is fine, but I can see where the Bruins hesitation would be.

Edit: I think my offer would be Spooner, their pick of LHD (Zboril, Lauzon, Vaakanainen), their pick of a winger (DeBrusk, Heinen) and then probably McQuaid or Miller as salary filler.
 

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I would be ok with that as long as it's Heinen or DeBrusk. Bjork is a non-starter for me in any deal. I am more open to Zboril than Lauzon, and would drive Spooner to the fucking airport if I could.

I very much prefer they hang onto Carlo. Nashville just showed you can get to the finals with a great top 4 on defense, and I want them to keep their depth.

I don't think anything will happen still, but at least it gives us something to debate about during the dog days of summer.
 

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I just think Duchene is a chance to really maximize the next 2 season. I much prefer him at a shorter commitment than the Landeskog stuff kicked around at the deadline. I think the Bruins are closer to contending than most. Bergy and Krejci are 31 now, so I wouldn't mind seeing some chips shoved in to try and make a real push the next 2 seasons while Bergy is still Bergy. Duchene seems like a great opportunity to add a top 6 player who can play wing with Krejci or either Duchene or Krejci could become a super 3C. Cassidy would have plenty of options and it would make the team much tougher for an opponent to match up with.

If they can make the $ work this year, and make a deal without completely gutting the farm, then I think they should do what they can make it happen. Vatrano and Chara are the only 2 players due for new contracts after next season, so they should be OK for these 2 years. They would probably have to let him go after 2019, but that's a ways away.
 

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I hope what Cassidy was saying about giving young players opportunity and support extends to the goalies. Whoever wins the backup job out of camp (I'm assuming McIntyre) should get at least 20 games this season barring an epic meltdown or acquiring a legitimate backup
 

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I just think Duchene is a chance to really maximize the next 2 season. I much prefer him at a shorter commitment than the Landeskog stuff kicked around at the deadline. I think the Bruins are closer to contending than most. Bergy and Krejci are 31 now, so I wouldn't mind seeing some chips shoved in to try and make a real push the next 2 seasons while Bergy is still Bergy. Duchene seems like a great opportunity to add a top 6 player who can play wing with Krejci or either Duchene or Krejci could become a super 3C. Cassidy would have plenty of options and it would make the team much tougher for an opponent to match up with.

If they can make the $ work this year, and make a deal without completely gutting the farm, then I think they should do what they can make it happen. Vatrano and Chara are the only 2 players due for new contracts after next season, so they should be OK for these 2 years. They would probably have to let him go after 2019, but that's a ways away.
Don't get my hopes us like this. While I like the defensive depth we have, your point about going in on the next 2 years makes a lot of sense. Duchene would definitely provide a buzz not seen in a while around the Bruins. Don't get me wrong, I like where they are headed, but adding another legitimate scorer, especially if they could do it only giving up futures, i.e. not Carlo, would be exciting.

This got me thinking: When was the last name the Bruins acquired a big name scorer through a trade? I can't think of one since I've been following closely which was after the 2004-05 lockout.
 

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I hope what Cassidy was saying about giving young players opportunity and support extends to the goalies. Whoever wins the backup job out of camp (I'm assuming McIntyre) should get at least 20 games this season barring an epic meltdown or acquiring a legitimate backup
Keep in mind Khudobin is signed for one more year, so it's likely neither starts with the big club.
 

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Keep in mind Khudobin is signed for one more year, so it's likely neither starts with the big club.
Sure, but they have already shown they were willing to walk away from Khudobin when honestly it was much harder (because of looming expansion rules). I do think he goes into camp as the backup, but if he doesn't step up and one of the kids does, I think they'll be willing to waive him again