Brooklyn Nets 2016-17 (the Year of the Swap)

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Unless the Nets are going to throw a four year deal at Motiejunas for $60 million plus, Houston will likely match in anticipation of making a deal over the summer. However it would be hilarious if Houston worked out a sign & trade with Motiejunas going to Brooklyn and Pouffy Lopez to Houston.
 

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Now tied for 3rd worst behind Dallas and Philly. Hopefully Simmons' return can give them a little boost. Dallas is a lost cause.
 

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Yeah, especially with what appears to be a fork in Dirk's back. Still somewhat worried about the Magic, Suns, Pelicans and Wolves. Pelicans have been playing better and Davis is probably worth a few wins on his own. The Magic have beaten the Spurs and Thunder but their other 5 wins come against absolute dreck. The Wolves will probably grow as a unit and go on a 2nd half run as there is too much talent to be a bottom 3 team but they are so young and it shows. They are 5-13 but have only been outscored by 1ppg. The Suns aren't very good but they have more talent than Dallas or the Nets.

While those teams suck and may cause some concern, the Nets really just look that much worse than all of them outside of the Mavs. Philly may cause problems because when Simmons comes back they will start him at PG and we all know about rookie PGs... but on the flip side it may help them because Simmons is an exceptional talent.
 

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Unless the Nets are going to throw a four year deal at Motiejunas for $60 million plus, Houston will likely match in anticipation of making a deal over the summer. However it would be hilarious if Houston worked out a sign & trade with Motiejunas going to Brooklyn and Pouffy Lopez to Houston.
The offer is 4 years, $37 million. Very matchable offer.
 

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Rockets unsurprisingly match the Motiejunas offer sheet. New age Nets are now 0-3 in their hunt for RFA talent.
 

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So far 0-3 in this stretch of several hypothetically winnable games. Denver up next.
And then for the rest of December they're going to face the top of the power rankings. Except for @philly, it looks like a string of blowouts unless teams start Popoviching them like the Clippers did.
 

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So, Motiejunas didn't report for his physical today. One might think that should mean that the Nets would then have first dibs but...


Poor guys can't catch a break.
What? How can the Nets not sign him for a year? Wouldn't passing a team physical be part of matching the offer? If they didn't clear him, they didn't technically match the terms, right?
 

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What? How can the Nets not sign him for a year? Wouldn't passing a team physical be part of matching the offer? If they didn't clear him, they didn't technically match the terms, right?
Here is how Larry Coon (of cbafaq fame) summarized:

  1. Houston is allowed to make its first refusal exercise notice contingent on Motiejunas passing a physical.
  2. The player must submit to and cooperate with his physical, which is to take place within two days of the exercise of the first refusal exercise notice.
  3. If Motiejunas doesn’t report for his physical, Houston’s first refusal exercise notice remains in effect until he does.
  4. However, Motiejunas’ refusal to submit for his physical gives the Rockets the option of withdrawing its first refusal exercise notice.
  5. If the Rockets withdraw its first refusal exercise notice, it invalidates Brooklyn’s offer sheet as well, and Motiejunas returns to restricted free agency.
  6. If the first refusal exercise notice is withdrawn, Brooklyn’s offer sheet is invalidated and Motiejunas returns to restricted free agency, Brooklyn can’t sign or acquire him for one year.
Steps 5 and 6 lose me entirely but I'm not going to complain.
 
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Ok, so it's a safeguard against a team signing a player to an offer sheet and then instructing him not to report to his physical. That makes sense. I just wonder why the have a rule restricts Brooklyn from making a new offer since the first was invalidated.
 
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Ok, so it's a safeguard against a team signing a player to an offer sheet and then instructing him not to report to his physical. That makes sense. I just wonder why the have a rule restricts Brooklyn from making a new offer since the first was invalidated.
For the same reason. If you don't have it, you can just play a prolonged game of chicken. This system ends that.
 

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So apparently the Nets offer included $31 million in base salary and $6 million in incentives. Per the rules of the CBA, the team holding the player's rights only has to match the base salary terms and not the incentive clauses, so D-Mo and his agents are haggling over the $6 million difference. Again, it seems crazy that the team doesn't have to match the entirety of the contract.
 

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This awful team almost blew a 20+ point 2nd half lead...at home...to a bad team. The pick is safe.
 

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How safe? They may suck but it's looking like a 7 team race for the worst pick in the draft. There are a lot of shitty teams.
 

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Let's see where things stand at the end of December. Like I noticed, if you look at their schedule they could very easily go 0 for the rest of the month.
 

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How safe? They may suck but it's looking like a 7 team race for the worst pick in the draft. There are a lot of shitty teams.
Prettt safe..esp w the draft shaping up to be a fairly deep lotto. This isnt a two horse consensus like last year. Fultz will likely emerge w a pack of talent behind him a la the 3-7 in this years draft where opinions will vary.
 

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Rockets, gtfo. Again.

Edit: thankfully, Houston holds on after blowing a double digit lead. Lin's first game back. Bears some watching.
 
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Rockets, gtfo. Again.

Edit: thankfully, Houston holds on after blowing a double digit lead. Lin's first game back. Bears some watching.
Lin's back which helps this Nets team immensely. Don't sleep on my binkie Caris LeVert who was also recently activated....he was a certain lottery pick had it not been for his foot problems. This team is now very deep and guys will be competing for minutes.
 

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Lin's back which helps this Nets team immensely. Don't sleep on my binkie Caris LeVert who was also recently activated....he was a certain lottery pick had it not been for his foot problems. This team is now very deep and guys will be competing for minutes.
As long as they have the worst defense in the league I'm not going to worry about their depth, especially if it means running out a bunch of rookies every night.

I've also never been more interested in the trade deadline for the purposes of seeing what a non-Celtics team does. Even if their only move is to ship out Booker for a pick, it would be really good for us. That depth is incredibly fragile.
 

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As long as they have the worst defense in the league I'm not going to worry about their depth, especially if it means running out a bunch of rookies every night.

I've also never been more interested in the trade deadline for the purposes of seeing what a non-Celtics team does. Even if their only move is to ship out Booker for a pick, it would be really good for us. That depth is incredibly fragile.
Is DA more likely to make a deal with the Nets with the (possibly) added benefit of better draft status? Hmmm......
 

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Would be interesting. Ainge could overpay for a guy like Booker because of the benefit of getting a better pick this year. No idea what that would look like though.

Amir + Clipper 1st + ??

for

Booker +??
 

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Wait.....Trevor Booker is a difference maker these days? Is this the same guy who has never been a full-time starter while posting a career 6/5 until posting slightly better empty numbers this year?

"C'mon man!"
 

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Premature on the Nets loss there, there was a loose ball under the Philly basket with Philly up by 1 as time expired, but they did hold on. Awful basketball all around, although Embiid is amazing.
 

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Premature on the Nets loss there, there was a loose ball under the Philly basket with Philly up by 1 as time expired, but they did hold on. Awful basketball all around, although Embiid is amazing.
It really was terrible basketball, but I do like Embiid. And Lin does give the Nets a bit of a spark.
 

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Have to hope the Nets can trade Lopez and Lin at the deadline for some assets. Then there will be nothing to stop them from being completely horrible.
Lin is their marketing piece to tap into the NY Asian market just as they did with Yi Jianlian 6-7 years ago . The Nets have invested a lot of time an energy in this area with Lin. He isn't going anywhere.
 

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Lin is their marketing piece to tap into the NY Asian market just as they did with Yi Jianlian 6-7 years ago . The Nets have invested a lot of time an energy in this area with Lin. He isn't going anywhere.
100%. I don't know how this is borne out in actual ticket sales as my experience with it is through basketball forums, but Lin fans are nuts about the guy. When he goes to a new team, that team is suddenly inundated with a bunch of new fans who will follow him to the ends of the earth.

Lopez is a different story, if they can find a taker. Even on their decent teams he has been a supplemental starter at best, and he's not the kind of guy that puts butts in the seats. I don't know if they'll find a suitable deal but I think Marks would love to move him before he becomes a one-year rental once this deadline passes.
 

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After dropping games to Orlando and Philly, here is the upcoming slate:

@ TOR
vs. GS
@ CLE
vs. CHA
@ CHI
@ WAS
vs. UTA
@ IND
vs. CLE

Mavs @ Nuggets and Suns @ Wolves tonight. Would be great for some of these teams to build a little separation heading into the new year.
 

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Dallas is 5-7 in their last 12 and on a PPG basis, they have the 5th best defense in the league. Pelicans, Heat and Suns have been awful though.
 

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That's what she said.
With the designated player increasing to two players per team, the insane cap increase the Nets picks values have dramatically increased over the past week.

Danny has always been ready to make that big move, but in the new big money NBA, the early draft picks are the highest value you can have. In the hands of a team with a good coach, culture, a couple all stars, they are exactly what we need to save and use to build for the next ten years.
 

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Increased enough to possibly interest New Orleans? How long do they try and fail to build a team around Davis before they blow it up?
 

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Many more years. His long, below market extension just started and he's only 23.
But they're not even close to being a good team despite having maybe the best player in the league. What are the odds they can surround him with enough talent in the next five years to win a title?

Or, they trade him for Jaylen Brown, the two Brooklyn picks, and whatever salary the Celtics need to add to make the trade possible. That gives them six top 6 picks in three years. What are the odds they can turn that into a team good enough to win a title?
 

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But they're not even close to being a good team despite having maybe the best player in the league. What are the odds they can surround him with enough talent in the next five years to win a title?

Or, they trade him for Jaylen Brown, the two Brooklyn picks, and whatever salary the Celtics need to add to make the trade possible. That gives them six top 6 picks in three years. What are the odds they can turn that into a team good enough to win a title?
The Celtics don't have a combination of picks and players to make New Orleans want to move Davis. Few teams do....actually there probably isn't a team who does when everything is factored in. It's a superstars league and when you're fortunate enough to land that guy you don't trade him. They have him under contract on a well below market deal through the spring of 2021.
 

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But if you have him, and still stink, what's the point of having him? Is there any scenario where they win a title by 2021? They're 10-20.

Obviously they're not going to get back full value for him. But last year's third overall plus two more picks that are near locks to be top five is a very good package.
 

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But if you have him, and still stink, what's the point of having him? Is there any scenario where they win a title by 2021? They're 10-20.

Obviously they're not going to get back full value for him. But last year's third overall plus two more picks that are near locks to be top five is a very good package.
I doubt New Orleans' ownership is in "title or bust" mode. And if they're going to be bad, then that means they're going to have some high lotto picks to add around him or to use as trade bait. They're not likely to be a title contender by 2021 but neither are like 80% of the league.
 

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Trading Anthony Davis doesn't make your team better. Only times guys like him have been traded is over concerns if theyll resign. His contract is set. They can go 0-82 and they aint trading him.