Brady wants to "divorce" Belichick

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Lots of fun stuff here.

Brady feels trapped. Thought he'd get Peyton Manning treatment. Which seem, you know, opposites. Then talk that the coaches don't really feel "that Brady is all that special".

As I said, fun stuff.
 

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Last season's hot take was that BB resented Brady because he forced the Jimmy G trade. Now we find out Brady is the one pissed that they made the trade.
It's all garbage, every bit of it. I don't believe one thing written about this team
 

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Hey! ESPNs season installment of "All My Patriots".

Recap: unnamed (ESPN) sources think Brady wanted out, but once JG got traded, he was stuck here for the rest of his career. Nobody likes Belichick.
 

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So to recap:

Belichick wanted Jimmy
Kraft wanted Brady
Brady wanted out

These three could really use a guy’s night out. I’m thinking Buffalo Wild Wings.
 

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I'd join them at BWW, and even pick up the tab. Sounds fun.

What I'll not do is put any store in the latest ESPN investigative piece filled with anonymous sources full of click-baity nuggets.
 

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Brady never said he wanted to divorce Belichick. The divorce word is coming from a quote by the author of the book where he said "If Tom could, I think he would divorce him".

That is not going to stop the media machine from running with headlines saying Tom wants to divorce Bill. It's stupid. Just look at our thread name here... Brady wants to divorce Belichick. The whole thing is stupid.
 

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It's so funny. ESPN publishes an article on the demise of the Seahawks and how they had a culture of accountability but it came apart when Carroll wouldn't hold their star QB accountable for his mistakes.

Then there's this on how the Patriots have a culture of accountability and BB is consistent and holds their star QB accountable for his mistakes and that pisses the QB off after so many years of it.

What's a coach really supposed to do?

I think it's just that being in that environment for a long time wears on you. Add to that the Guerrero stuff and I can see why Brady might feel like maybe his time in NE is up. And yet at the end of the day, he knows that this represents his best chance at winning, and ultimately that's what Brady is all about. It's why he plays the game.

But I wonder if this is part of the whole "sometimes it's just better to move on a year early rather than a year late" kind of thing. That if you cut ties a year early, you don't have to deal with messes like this.
 

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This every-year farce is to the point that I’m pretty sure this is an inside job used as a unifying motivational tactic by someone within the organization. TheoShmeo’s sources who are always wrong but love to stir the pot are definitely involved.
 

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I'm sure the sentiment is true. Belichick is a documented asshole, and Brady is the best ever and should rightfully be treated differently for carrying Belichick's mediocre to bad defenses to 4 super bowls over the last 9 years.

But also they are grown adults so who cares.
 

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Ian O'Connor is a joke. The second I saw the author of the book, I dismissed the whole thing. It could all be true, but I will never believe a word Ian O'C writes. He has been trying to manufacture controversies his whole career .
 

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If you read the article, one of the sources was Brian fucking Cashman relaying an off-hand comment Belichick supposedly made to him once. That should tell you all you need to know.
 

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If only NFL players could let their contracts expire and try to hook on with other teams, then Brady could have gotten his divorce. That's why Kirk Cousins is still with the Redskins.
 

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Ian O'Connor is a joke. The second I saw the author of the book, I dismissed the whole thing. It could all be true, but I will never believe a word Ian O'C writes. He has been trying to manufacture controversies his whole career .
This. He is awful. His coverage of Deflategate was embarassing. The article is a sham.
 

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O'Connor's book is undeniably salacious and headline-grabbing.

That said, the persistent cries of "FAKE NEWS" w/r/t everything regarding the Patriots' drama with Belichick/Brady/Kraft/Gronk/Jimmy G/Guerrero on this board are tired and beneath the posting quality expected here. It's pretty clear at this point that the general gist of last year's Seth Wickersham story--that Belichick is beginning to wear on Brady et al--is true and has been confirmed by multiple writers, including Curran.

I know we'd all like to imagine everything is hunky dory in Patriot Place -- and maybe they will all act like adults and get thru Brady's final years in one piece. But I'd prefer if we dispensed with the argument that this is entirely a media-driven controversy.
 

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O'Connor's book is undeniably salacious and headline-grabbing.

That said, the persistent cries of "FAKE NEWS" w/r/t everything regarding the Patriots' drama with Belichick/Brady/Kraft/Gronk/Jimmy G/Guerrero on this board are tired and beneath the posting quality expected here. It's pretty clear at this point that the general gist of last year's Seth Wickersham story--that Belichick is beginning to wear on Brady et al--is true and has been confirmed by multiple writers, including Curran.

I know we'd all like to imagine everything is hunky dory in Patriot Place -- and maybe they will all act like adults and get thru Brady's final years in one piece. But I'd prefer if we dispensed with the argument that this is entirely a media-driven controversy.
Yes I think we all should tend to believe that there was something to that Wickersham story. I resisted at first but when guys with real access and usually pro-Patriots like Curran are saying the same thing then it sheds a different light on it. It's human nature that when people are together for almost 20 years that there is some animosity along the way. This is nothing compared to what's going on in Pittsburgh and other places though.
 

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Ian O'Connor is a content mill the nature and frequency of whose writings exhibit a clear emphasis on volume over veracity. He's basically what espn would look like if it were able to assume human form. He's also seems to be one of the least insightful sportswriters out there- you could walk into a BW-3 at five in the afternoon on any October Sunday and hear guys six beers deep shouting out opinions that would enhance your understanding of the NFL landscape far more than a typical O'Connor screed.


http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/13332599/new-england-patriots-qb-tom-brady-deflategate-suspension-ian-oconnor

http://www.espn.in/nfl/story/_/page/hotread151015/for-roger-goodell-roger-deflategate
 

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O'Connor's book is undeniably salacious and headline-grabbing.

That said, the persistent cries of "FAKE NEWS" w/r/t everything regarding the Patriots' drama with Belichick/Brady/Kraft/Gronk/Jimmy G/Guerrero on this board are tired and beneath the posting quality expected here. It's pretty clear at this point that the general gist of last year's Seth Wickersham story--that Belichick is beginning to wear on Brady et al--is true and has been confirmed by multiple writers, including Curran.

I know we'd all like to imagine everything is hunky dory in Patriot Place -- and maybe they will all act like adults and get thru Brady's final years in one piece. But I'd prefer if we dispensed with the argument that this is entirely a media-driven controversy.
I think there's reasonable middle ground between "Fake News!!!" and "overblown nuggets of truth wrapped in sensationalist bullshit", and the lion's share of Patriots coverage over the last decade-plus should be illustrative of how close to the latter today's sports media feel comfortable dancing around.

It is only a controversy if it impacts play on the field, and Tom Brady has looked fantastic (going to 3 out of 4 Super Bowls and winning 2) for all these years the wheels are supposedly falling off. Is there some truth to the palace intrigue? I'm sure there is. That dynamic exists in almost any job. I think the reactions around here are more "so what, unless it's reaching a critical point" (which it has not), not "that's all fake news!!!!"
 

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Personally, I could always tell how tired Brady was of being here by the way he keeps restructuring his contract to take less money, I didn't need Ian O'Connor to tell me that.
 

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Guy working for the same dude for 18 years is a little tired of working for the same dude. This doesn't strike me as bookworthy. But either way, where's O'Connor get this nonsense from?

"The moment Belichick moved [Jimmy] Garoppolo to San Francisco, and banked on Brady's oft-stated desire to play at least into his mid-forties, was the moment Brady was virtually locked into suiting up next season and beyond. Had he retired or requested a trade, he would have risked turning an adoring New England public into an angry mob."
This is absurd, and I'd hope it wasn't how Brady was actually thinking about things.
 

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I think one of the reasons the media is interested in this story is the difficulty with which it has been to get to the bottom of things. Some of that is clearly on the Patriots themselves.

Notwithstanding O'Connor's track record, @steveluck7 points out an interesting nugget in here that contradicts the narrative to this point. Wickersham wrote that Brady went to Kraft and then Kraft forced Belichick to move Jimmy G. This is suggesting that Brady actually wanted out but Kraft pushed Belichick to move Jimmy instead so now Brady is stuck.

The notion that Belichick, Kraft and Brady may have all wanted a different outcome here is interesting -- as is the fact that, if true, the owner's preference--everybody stays and Jimmy goes--won out. If true, that's a pretty boss play by Kraft.
 

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Personally, I could always tell how tired Brady was of being here by the way he keeps restructuring his contract to take less money, I didn't need Ian O'Connor to tell me that.
And those vids where McDaniel, Edelman, BB, Brady, and Blount were hugging and telling each other they loved them on the field after the Super Bowl, that all had a moon landing was staged feel to it. Never seemed real.
 

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Is it believable that Brady and Belichick weren't exactly on the best of terms over the past year or two? I don't think there can be much doubt on that given the amount of smoke we've seen from a variety of sources, including Tom Brady himself (Tom vs. Time comments, skipping OTA's, etc.). Brady has taken less than market value to play for the Pats, and if he perhaps feels a bit entitled, I don't think anyone can blame him for it. He wouldn't be the first superstar to get turned off a bit by the business of football.

Belichick is in some ways in a "difficult" situation as well. The "year too early" comment he made to Cashman was made long time ago and did not reference Brady, but it does reflect Belichick's philosophy; the Pats have either traded vets on their final contract years or let lots of players walk via free agency. Some of those players have continued to be productive, but many higher profile veterans have not. He made a direct reference to Brady's age when he drafted Garoppolo. So it's not unreasonable to believe that Belichick was indeed planning to move on from Brady before the QB turned 41, and that Brady may have felt a bit hurt by that. Belichick's perspective is that he could play the good soldier to Kraft and let Brady play until he's ready to retire, but if Brady were to fall off the cliff in 2020 and the team is 1-15 two years later and son Jonathan is running the team, Belichick would not be immune to being shown the door. I can certainly see why Belichick wanted to keep both QB's on the roster for this season, and I could understand why he may have been upset when he found out there was simply no way Don Yee was going to let that happen no matter what Felger and Mazz and Shank claim to the contrary. It was one case where the salary cap won, and there was no feasible way to simply "work around it".

So, by definition, the interests of Brady and Belichick are not 100% aligned to each other. But here's the reason why all of these articles cause the reaction they do: the authors weave a lot of their own speculation into the story. While they claim to be piecing together nuggets from reliable sources, they seldom make clear what they've heard vs. what they have inferred. Unless you dig in, and then you find out that they've inferred a lot (aka, the "divorce"). And a lot of that inference is often simply unsupported. For example, the claim that the coaches think Brady is nothing special is absurd, and is likely instead a misinterpretation of the coaches simply stating the truth: Brady, like any NFL QB, can be subject to bad games and can be beat. It's easy to see a position coach telling his players "Brady ain't gonna bail us out this week, so I need to see better from everyone in this unit".
 

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Is it believable that Brady and Belichick weren't exactly on the best of terms over the past year or two? I don't think there can be much doubt on that given the amount of smoke we've seen from a variety of sources, including Tom Brady himself (Tom vs. Time comments, skipping OTA's, etc.). Brady has taken less than market value to play for the Pats, and if he perhaps feels a bit entitled, I don't think anyone can blame him for it. He wouldn't be the first superstar to get turned off a bit by the business of football.
Belichick is in some ways in a "difficult" situation as well. The "year too early" comment he made to Cashman was made long time ago and did not reference Brady, but it does reflect Belichick's philosophy; the Pats have either traded vets on their final contract years or let lots of players walk via free agency. Some of those players have continued to be productive, but many higher profile veterans have not. He made a direct reference to Brady's age when he drafted Garoppolo. So it's not unreasonable to believe that Belichick was indeed planning to move on from Brady before the QB turned 41, and that Brady may have felt a bit hurt by that. Belichick's perspective is that he could play the good soldier to Kraft and let Brady play until he's ready to retire, but if Brady were to fall off the cliff in 2020 and the team is 1-15 two years later and son Jonathan is running the team, Belichick would not be immune to being shown the door. I can certainly see why Belichick wanted to keep both QB's on the roster for this season, and I could understand why he may have been upset when he found out there was simply no way Don Yee was going to let that happen no matter what Felger and Mazz and Shank claim to the contrary. It was one case where the salary cap won, and there was no feasible way to simply "work around it".
So, by definition, the interests of Brady and Belichick are not 100% aligned to each other. But here's the reason why all of these articles cause the reaction they do: the authors weave a lot of their own speculation into the story. While they claim to be piecing together nuggets from reliable sources, they seldom make clear what they've heard vs. what they have inferred. Unless you dig in, and then you find out that they've inferred a lot (aka, the "divorce"). And a lot of that inference is often simply unsupported. For example, the claim that the coaches think Brady is nothing special is absurd, and is likely instead a misinterpretation of the coaches simply stating the truth: Brady, like any NFL QB, can be subject to bad games and can be beat. It's easy to see a position coach telling his players "Brady ain't gonna bail us out this week, so I need to see better from everyone in this unit".
Even if its all true. It's unimportant. Its basically like telling me that Brady has freckles on his dick.

It reminds me of the relationship between Jim Palmer and Earl Weaver.
 

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Another option to the "fake news!" cries that follow these stories, is that they are true and it doesn't matter.
Brady and Belicek are pros and quite possible may perform their jobs well despite disagreements. Year after year they roll with countless bits of bad luck, unforeseen circumstances, and are "on to (insert next opponent)" . You will have trouble convincing me that whatever anybody wanted to happen with JG, it is over and they are moving on like pros.
 

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So to recap:

Belichick wanted Jimmy
Kraft wanted Brady
Brady wanted out


These three could really use a guy’s night out. I’m thinking Buffalo Wild Wings.
You know you can sing that to the tune of "Pepper" by TBHS's
 

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This shit is incredibly exhausting. A game of telephone, indeed, with the national media rooting for the collapse of the organization. Fuck all these people.

I'm going to watch the games as played and not follow anything else.
 

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This shit is incredibly exhausting.
I've found that it doesn't need to be. I just let it all go in one ear and out the other. The offseasons are long and the games are only once a week and especially after they lose it is tempting to let this stuff take up mental energy. I just choose not to care. Brady is our quarterback. Belichick is our coach. There is going to be a day when they aren't, and there's nothing I can do about when that day is, so I just enjoy the ride for however long it lasts.
 

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Who gives a shit? I personally think Belichick is gone after this season, but I’m ready to just enjoy every minute left, no matter how much time it is.
 

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Who gives a shit? I personally think Belichick is gone after this season, but I’m ready to just enjoy every minute left, no matter how much time it is.
Why didn’t he leave after last season, then?

I think he could plausibly retire after any season, mind you, but I don’t see why THIS would be the season.
 

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Who gives a shit? I personally think Belichick is gone after this season, but I’m ready to just enjoy every minute left, no matter how much time it is.
Wouldn't it be interesting if they did not win the Superbowl this year, Belichick did retire and Brady played another year with Josh as head coach and won another Superbowl?
 

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Why didn’t he leave after last season, then?

I think he could plausibly retire after any season, mind you, but I don’t see why THIS would be the season.
Reports last year indicated that this is the last year of his contract, so maybe he envisioned going a certain length. Or he might go somewhere else for a few years or just call it quits. I was thinking Giants if they had drafted a QB, but nope.

Just a hunch.
 

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Reports last year indicated that this is the last year of his contract, so maybe he envisioned going a certain length. Or he might go somewhere else for a few years or just call it quits. I was thinking Giants if they had drafted a QB, but nope.

Just a hunch.
I don't think those reports were ever definitive, and there have been conflicting reports stating that Belichick is likely under contract for at least a couple of more seasons.

OTOH, we do know that both Belichick and Kraft did convince McDaniels to stick around, and so it wouldn't be a total shock if there is a succession plan in place for either next season or 2020.
 

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The unstated false assumption underlying all these articles is that somehow Brady and Belichick should be expected to be totally on the same page in terms of contract issues. But why would anyone ever expect that? Of course a player and a coach/GM are going to have different goals when it comes to trades, contract discussions, workload, etc.

When Mookie declined to discuss a contract extension from the Red Sox, for example, the story wasn't "Mookie and Dombrowski hate each other!" It was just two parties each looking out for their own best interests. I don't see what's different about the Brady/Belichick situation and yet it gets painted in a totally different light.
 

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That said, the persistent cries of "FAKE NEWS" w/r/t everything regarding the Patriots' drama with Belichick/Brady/Kraft/Gronk/Jimmy G/Guerrero on this board are tired and beneath the posting quality expected here. It's pretty clear at this point that the general gist of last year's Seth Wickersham story--that Belichick is beginning to wear on Brady et al--is true and has been confirmed by multiple writers, including Curran.
I agree with this almost completely, but Ian O'Connor is a special case. FWIW, I had Golic-Wingo on for about 5 minutes today and Golic's first reaction to his colleague's article was "I don't buy it." Which is hilarious on many levels.
 

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Brady's sister is quoted as saying the family thought Tom would get treated like Peyton Manning.

And like Brett Favre.

And Joe Montana.

And Joe Namath

And Johnny Unitas
 

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Brady's sister is quoted as saying the family thought Tom would get treated like Peyton Manning.

And like Brett Favre.

And Joe Montana.

And Joe Namath

And Johnny Unitas
All he ever wanted is to be cast aside for the new hotness.
 

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Tom and Bill want to win. They are competitive as any Type A. They are both closer to the end of their respective HOF careers than the beginning. They both have more money than they can ever spend. Tom is married to one of the hottest women on the planet and Bill is out of his league with his girlfriend. The rest of the stuff is mindless nonsense.
 

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And yet at the end of the day, he knows that this represents his best chance at winning, and ultimately that's what Brady is all about. It's why he plays the game.
I buy what your saying.
But I do wonder about the part I quoted.
Brady has been nowhere else. Its not impossible to think that he believes that somewhere else could be just as good (from a wins perspective) and more "Freeing".

Just as someone can come from "the Browns" (or any of about 20 teams) and soon think "These dudes have thier shit together, this organization is heads and shoulders above anyplace else I have been" Its also easy for someone to think "I could have the same (or close enough)success somewhere else." If this is all you know you cant realistically compare the good and bad to another situation.

That said Bradys a smart dude. And been around alot of guys who HAVE come from other places and heard their stories of dysfunction. So I bet you are right BBJones. But I dont think its a slam dunk.
 

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Brady has been nowhere else. Its not impossible to think that he believes that somewhere else could be just as good (from a wins perspective) and more "Freeing".
Not sure I buy this. He has seen a HoF QB in Big Ben not in a Super Bowl since 2010, not having won since 2008. Another HoF Rodgers hasn't won a Super Bowl since 2010. So many of these other title teams have not had long-term success (Broncos, Seahawks, Ravens, Giants). I think he realizes how unique of an environment he is in. Maybe if he saw another potential great coach out there he could buy that he would win elsewhere, but I don't think he believes he could take his talents anywhere and win like say LeBron.
 
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