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Bill Simmons: Valuing Trades More Than Friendships

Discussion in 'Our Errors are Mistakes: The Media Forum' started by RedOctober3829, May 8, 2015.

  1. Marciano490

    Marciano490 Urological Expert SoSH Member

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    In fairness, though, the dog had read Simmons' gambling manifesto.

    Twice.
     
  2. John Marzano Olympic Hero

    John Marzano Olympic Hero has fancy plans, and pants to match Dope

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    His wife wiped the floor with him two years in a row too.

    The constant back peddling and Monday Morning Quaterbacking of his picks were got me off the Simmons Train.
     
  3. drleather2001

    drleather2001 given himself a skunk spot SoSH Member

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    "I had a brain fart and disregarded my Never Bet on Eli on a Short Week Corollary to the Always Take the Home Dog in Bad Weather Rule!"
     
  4. RedOctober3829

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    Mike Francesa is coming on Bill's podcast on Friday to do his picks.
     
  5. Dehere

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    The Simmons podcast up today where he discusses the Skipper resignation and the Disney/Fox deal is really very good if you have any interest in media happenings. For a guy whose reach extends way beyond media geeks into general sports fans it's a sophisticated conversation.

    Bryan Curtis of the Ringer joins for the Skipper portion and he's great. I've dealt with him a little bit and to me Curtis and Ourand are the two best guys out there covering this business. Quality hour of listening.
     
  6. kenneycb

    kenneycb Hates Goose Island Beer; Loves Backdoor Play SoSH Member

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    Regarding sports gambling in general, a goldfish (well, two goldfish technically...RIP Larry I) almost won the Super Contest last year. Nobody knows anything. Except for the oddsmakers.

    Ben Thompson is also just awesome in general. His podcast, Exponent, is a good listen if you’re interested in general business strategy. It focuses on tech but most of the points are applicable across industries. I probably learn at least one new thing each episode.
     
  7. Kliq

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    I’ve never heard of Thompson or his site and I’m not much of a techie; but I second that from a business strategy standpoint he was great on Simmons’ pod. Curtis I like on podcasts but find his writing to be kind of topical media hackery. I just find his Ringer articles to be “Here is why ESPN is failing” hit pieces.
     
  8. ifmanis5

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    It is good but giving Skipper a pass on how he totally ruined the financial future of the company seems ridiculous. It's his job to read the media landscape and he totally blew the direction the subs were going in and the massive cord cutting effect had on ESPN and Disney. If Bill didn't like the guy so much I have to think he'd come to a different conclusion about Skipper's legacy. On the other hand, they're right about Norby. Can't believe that guy is still there.
     
  9. mcpickl

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    Simmons is so weird.

    Twice in the last week, I've heard him talking about Danny Ainge saying he's made four of the best trades in recent memory, but let's remember he's also been lucky. Both times he's lead with as evidence, he tried to trade two first round picks for Robert Swift!

    The best evidence Bill could find was a trade offer from 14 years ago I guess?

    And would that outweigh all the good anyway? If put on a seesaw the Swift offer would be a pebble on the other side of the Brooklyn trade boulder. Doesn't balance out at all.

    Everyone is aware luck is involved in sports Bill, thanks for the heads up though.

    Ainge must have passed over his buddy Sully for a promotion or something.
     
  10. ifmanis5

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    Old enough to remember when he tried to GFIN for Justice Winslow. If that had gone through Danny might have been fired by now.

    Before the Kyrie trade, there was that the popular sports take that he couldn't land a big star (see, failing to land Cousins, George, Butler, Griffin, Durant, Porzingis, etc.). I think Danny has done better than most and his Kyrie/Tatum acquisitions have cemented his good judgment status at least for the next few years. On the other hand, I'm enjoying Bil's return to bashing Doc Rivers whenever he gets the chance.
     
  11. Number45forever

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    BS has been amazing with Francesa doing the picks. Francesa takes over, as you'd expect. But I think they work well together. Would definitely listen if they started doing any kind of regular show...although it sounds like Francesa is working on doing his own thing.
     
  12. MarkBT

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    Agree. I'm not listening for any real "insight" into the NFL, but the two of them together are entertaining. I laughed each time Francesa said YUGE ("It's gonna be a YUGE year for coach change.... I took my son to see the Knicks against OKC cause he's a YUGE fan of Westbrook), because I knew Simmons was also giggling with delight.
     
  13. Foxy42

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    Would love for Francesca to give a, “good job by you Billy”...as he hangs up...
     
  14. m0ckduck

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    I haven’t yet listened to the podcast with Francesa and Bill’s Dad about the Jimmy G trade. Is it filled with lazy inability to understand salary cap implications and folksy, uninformed reactionary takes? I’m curious but worried it will make me totally angry, as it smacks of Bill-at-his-worst.
     
  15. allstonite

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    You nailed it. The Francesca part is fine. They have their own crackpot theories about why it happened but it’s fine and I’m a fan of them doing picks. His dad remains an uninformed EEI caller who thinks the trade “never made any sense” and they should have just kept both.
     
  16. m0ckduck

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    It’s awful. I’m through the Francesa part and I haven’t heard the words “salary cap” once. I can feel my brain cells fizzling listening to this.
     
  17. ConigliarosPotential

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  18. Mystic Merlin

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    The discussion is incredible without examining the salary cap AND personal (not personnel) implications of keeping/trying to keep Jimmy G under contract past 2017. I've seen almost no discussion in the media about the complexities of managing the Brady/Jimmy G dynamic into 2018 given that (a) Jimmy is four years into his career and wants to play, (b) Jimmy would get paid more than Tom and (c) THEY'RE REPRESENTED BY THE SAME AGENT.

    This isn't a Madden video game; there's a good argument to be made that Bill couldn't manage having that elephant in his locker room, much less under the cap. He's not a wizard.
     
  19. ifmanis5

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    Agreed with the above. At one point Bill's dad even suggested that the Pats just Franchise JG and that would be the solution to everything. *eyeroll*

    Also, Bill kept repeating the idea that Brady was out of touch with his teammates and was losing the locker room. I've read or heard no evidence of this. Does Bill have inside info or just talking out of his ass as usual?
     
  20. Mystic Merlin

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    I listened to the podcast, and I think he was making that inference based on the gap in age between Brady and many/most of his teammates. It's not ridiculous to think that Tom isn't BFFs with 22 year olds on the team, but, then again, why would any player with a family be hanging out with the single guys and what evidence is there that being BFFs and/or relating to your teammates on levels beyond 'we love football and are all about working hard' is necessary to begin with?

    He was trying to suggest that Bill traded Jimmy G because he sensed a 'brewing locker room problem' in the form of, presumably, Tom becoming unbearably threatened by Jimmy G's presence as the 'old Brady' who become best buds with the offensive linemen and distributed the ball to many receivers (implying that Brady doesn't) and/or different factions supporting Tom or Jimmy G.

    He did frame it as a 'theory', so we can lend it the credence his theories generally merit.
     
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  21. ifmanis5

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    Yes, the age gap is real but I think it's a huge stretch to say Brady 'doesn't hang out these these dudes anymore' as legit take considering all the evidence to the contrary...
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  22. allstonite

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    His dad did bring up the salary cap but of course it was the old Felger cap is crap crap. “They usually end the season $15-20 million under the cap so they could figure out a way to fit both.” According to Patscap Twitter they have just under $3 million this year.
     
  23. ifmanis5

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    Great point.

    I didn't think they could top (bottom?) their Deflategate discussion but this was just as crappy.
     
  24. DieHardSoxFan1

    DieHardSoxFan1 Smarter than Theo, just ask him SoSH Member

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    Hilarious read. Derrick Henry stinks, the Rams have a higher level in them - I can fee it - and we should all be very afraid of playoff Fournette, even though people who know very little about football could have told you that Buffalo would stack the box to force Blake’s hand.

    As I’m typing this, our self-annointed playoff gambling expert is four minutes shy of producing a winless wildcard weekend.
     
  25. Remagellan

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    Simmons was just generalizing from his own experience. He doesn’t understand why Tate and all the Ringer staff members in their 20s never invite him to hang out with them.
     
  26. OurF'ingCity

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    The funniest part is that, on his podcast with Sal this week, he now said Derrick Henry worries him because he's "fresh" from not playing much this season and that Fournette sucks and might be tired after a long season. So I 100% expect Henry to do nothing of note and Fournette to go off on the Steelers, and then have Simmons claim he knew that would happen and was just trying to reverse-jinx the Pats and Steelers.

    Also, he wrote this re: the Tennessee-KC game:

    And then admitted on the podcast he bet on the game anyway. Good stuff.
     
  27. ifmanis5

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  28. John Marzano Olympic Hero

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    Deadspin savaged Simmons pretty badly today. And here.

    I really can't believe that I used to not only read this guy, but evangelize him.
     
  29. 8slim

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    To be fair, fifteen years ago Simmons deserved to be evangelized.
     
  30. Pablo's TB Lover

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    To be fair, I can't decide which I am more tired of: Simmons' columns or the predictable Deadspin pile-ons.
     
  31. kenneycb

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    So he basically wrote an article that's an encapsulation of the BBtL thread about the Wickersham article?
     
  32. Ralphwiggum

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    At least Bill’s column discussed the salary cap implications of keeping both QBs. Wickersham’s didn’t even mention it.
     
  33. John Marzano Olympic Hero

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    That’s a fair point.
     
  34. luckiestman

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    Deadspin is a parasite, BS is the host
     
  35. blueline

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    Unrelated to his latest column--but Bill's list of the best films of 2017 was spectacularly bad. He put The Defiant Ones at #3.
     

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