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Discussion in 'Rick Middleton's Pron 'Stache: Bruins Forum' started by TheShynessClinic, Dec 16, 2014.

  1. TheShynessClinic

    TheShynessClinic SoSH's Doug Neidermeyer SoSH Member

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    I thought we had a thread that covered this kind of stuff, but my searching abilities didn't turn anything up.
     
    This thread is for general gear talk, beer leagues, pick up games, anything that pertains more to us, than them.
     
    To start - has anyone heard of/used All Black Hockey Sticks? https://www.allblackhockeysticks.com/
     
    Lately I've been grabbing Fischer sticks on Amazon Prime whenever the prices drop (got an SX7 for $79 a couple of weeks ago. It's now selling for $190), but that's not really reliable, and I like to generally stay with one stick/one brand for continuity sake.
     
    All Black seems promising, but I wouldn't want to grab one without knowing someone who's actually used one and liked it.
     
    Also - anyone of you guys that play in a beer league signing up for any tournaments this year? I'm looking to hop on a team for something. Unfortunately the pond hockey classic for Lake Winnipesaukee is already sold out. That's something I've always wanted to get in on.
     
  2. tonyandpals

    tonyandpals Well-Known Member Lifetime Member SoSH Member

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    I come out of retirement for tournaments and the occasional pickup game.  
     
    Not to derail from beer league but,
     
    This year I'm building a rink for my soon to be 5yo son.  Always had one growing up, so I'm psyched to do it for him this year. Just picked up my liner yesterday, 60x40.  Rink will be an odd shape, but will be very skate-able. At it's narrowest, 20 ft wide, jutting out to 35 then back to 30 or so. will be about 56' in length.  Would love to hear from anyone who has built their own.
     
    Also, any tips on teaching a 5yo to skate?
     
    Got him skates, helmet, elbows, shinnies and a stick for xmas. That should get us started (if it ever gets cold)
     
  3. Salem's Lot

    Salem's Lot Andy Moog! Andy God Damn Moog! SoSH Member

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    Great Idea TSC, I use Vapor gloves and sticks and have had good luck with them. I use the Vapor X80 Griptec sticks and have never broken one that wasn't the result of tomahawking the cross bar after a goal against. I play roller hockey four times a week (I play some ice but I found a couple of really good roller leagues that I stick with) so take the stick durability comment with a grain of salt since only one night is played with a puck. 
     
  4. TheShynessClinic

    TheShynessClinic SoSH's Doug Neidermeyer SoSH Member

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    How tall is her?
     
    A milk crate, or an old person walker with tennis balls on the feet is how I taught kids to skate when I was doing that kind of thing.
     
  5. TheRealness

    TheRealness Don't make him go all Lucic on your ash SoSH Member

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    I need to pick up some goalie sticks. The costs are absurd with any Pure Hockey store, and I've had some luck with Goalie Monkey's online store, but finding them is a PITA. I'll have to scroll through that All-Black website to see what they got. 
     
    Tony, I would recommend starting him off with the milkcrate technique. Have him first sit on the milk crate and push him around a bit so he gets use to the feeling of his skates on ice. As he gets more comfortable, start incorporating the stick and pucks. 
     
    And Salem, where do you play roller hockey? There was a league in Bedford, NH when I was in college, but I haven't seen them around up here much. I still have my sweet white Nike roller skates in my basement. I want to play just to show those bad boys off more. 
     
    EDIT: TSC and I agree. 
     
  6. tonyandpals

    tonyandpals Well-Known Member Lifetime Member SoSH Member

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    He's almost 4' (maybe 46") and I have fond memories of pushing around a milk crate (or two) growing up.  Good call.
     
    Any Citi skate this year?
     
    edit: just sitting here thinking...where the fuck does one get a milk crate these days? I mean, I am sure I will find some, but is my local stop and shop going to hand some over?
     
  7. TheRealness

    TheRealness Don't make him go all Lucic on your ash SoSH Member

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    You can jury rig a metal deck chair if you have one, or something of that ilk.
     
    But, yes, if you go down to a local small convenient store or grocery store, I bet they would give/sell you a milkcrate. 
     
  8. Salem's Lot

    Salem's Lot Andy Moog! Andy God Damn Moog! SoSH Member

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    I play Tuesday Night and Saturday morning at Hockey Town (upstairs rink) in a league, then I run a Friday skate on the same rink with some guys from the league. It's called the EMRHL. The Wednesday night puck league is in Dracut at Breakaway Hockey Dek. Here are the websites;
     
    http://www.emrhl.com/
     
    http://breakawayhockeydek.com/
     
  9. TheRealness

    TheRealness Don't make him go all Lucic on your ash SoSH Member

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    I played in a men's league on Thursday night for about 5-6 years at Hockeytown, and I always thought the upstairs rink was for dek hockey only. Didn't realize they played roller hockey up there as well. Good to know.
     
  10. Grogan's NeckRol

    Grogan's NeckRol Member SoSH Member

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    Hi Tony--Good luck with the rink, you (and more importantly, your son) will love it.  I have built one about the same size for the last four years (my kids are now 11, 10 and 7) and the neighborhood kids skate on it constantly, great to get them outside in the winter.  The hardest part is the maintenance.  I would rec'd getting a small snowblower if you don't have one.  And jerry rig some lights, you will get so much more use out of it.  I throw single contractor lights on top of the metal poles I use for the puck catching nets at the ends of the rinks.  NiceRink is expensive but I think the resurfacer is worth it.
     
    Hoping for some cold vacation week to fill it...which reminds me, I use a pool water truck instead of the hose to fill.  Little under 300 bucks but I don't think a whole lot more than using the hose. 
     
    Apologies if you know all this. 
     
  11. TheShynessClinic

    TheShynessClinic SoSH's Doug Neidermeyer SoSH Member

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    Also - 
     
    I think it'd be cool if we finally did that SoSH pick-up game we always talk about. Granted - it won't nearly be as cool as the Fenway game last year, but I'm guessing we have enough skaters here to get two teams together to play a competitive game (and if need be, we supplement with friends).
     
  12. tonyandpals

    tonyandpals Well-Known Member Lifetime Member SoSH Member

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    Yeah - this needs to happen.
     
    No Fenway this year?
     
  13. TheShynessClinic

    TheShynessClinic SoSH's Doug Neidermeyer SoSH Member

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    They're not doing an outdoor rink this year, are they?

    Next year Gillette might be pretty cool though.
     
  14. TFP

    TFP Dope Dope

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    Never used those sticks. I usually suck it up and spend the money for a Bauer TotalOne or Nexus. I've been lucky in that they've rarely broken but also time the sales at Pure Hockey right to get a decent deal. I can't use anything but the Bauer's at this point, and yes it costs me about $150-200 a whack. 
     
    As far as the pond hockey goes, we've been playing in the Vermont Pond Hockey Classic up at Lake Morey for four years running now, one of the first teams to play and sometimes brought multiple teams up. We got shutout this year as the tournament and hotel filled up the day the email went out. Pretty frustrating, it was always one of the best weekends of the year.
     
    Edit: I just picked up the CCM RBZ 90 skates in the last Pure Hockey tent sale for about $250. First pair of skates I've ever bought (had a pair since high school then inherited my brother's back up pair up until now) and holy crap what a difference they make. I was a Bauer guy my whole life, but these were way more comfortable than the new Bauer skates and I'm very pleased with them. Worth checking out if you need a new pair, didn't even need breaking in.
     
  15. TheShynessClinic

    TheShynessClinic SoSH's Doug Neidermeyer SoSH Member

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    Skates - I was lucky and had a friend working for Reebok when they were trying to clear out all their inventory. I got a pair of the 18K's for $75. I was like you where the skates I was using was a hand me down pair from highschool, and yea - it's a huge difference.
     
  16. TomBrunansky23

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    Fischer, as in skis, now makes lumber?
     
    Of course you are talking to a former disciple of Branches sticks, and that started out as a boat oar company.
     
  17. locknload

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    $200 a stick sounds insane to me. 
     
    Quick side story my favorite sticks i've ever played with came from building #19 in the late 90's.  I was playing highschool at the time and while some people had switched to aluminum most people still had woo.  They got a shipment in of a russian hockey sticks (covered in all russian writing so I could never tell the brand) and sold for $5 a pop.  I picked up a couple because hell its only $5.  The torque on those things for a wooden stick was amazing.  Slapshots exploded off them since you could bend them in a U.  Problem is you broke one just about every game.  So I ran back and picked up like 20 of the things and just slowly worked my way through them.  Problem was once they were gone, there was no way to get more since they were likely an overstock buy or something.  Really wish I had saved at least one of them.
     
  18. FL4WL3SS

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    I sold all of my equipment and went into retirement. Been seriously thinking about getting back into playing again though. The leagues out here kind of blow, which is why I quit in the first place. Not worth the price and frustration, but I really really miss it.
     
    With your weak shot, not surprising.
     
  19. TFP

    TFP Dope Dope

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    I have witnesses here that can speak to the contrary.
     
  20. FL4WL3SS

    FL4WL3SS Member SoSH Member

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    My shot is so strong, I break like one and a half sticks per game man.
     
  21. RIFan

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    It might be worth breaking out to a Backyard Rink thread.  
     
    I'm going on my 6th year with a backyard rink.  I would seriously consider scaling it down if it's your 1st time.  You really don't need a lot of ice for a 5 YO just learning and you'll save yourself a ton of work and aggravation with a smaller (symmetrical) size.  If you are going that size, make sure you are confident of what the full slope will be.  Even if it looks fairly flat, it's not difficult to end up with 12" of slope over 50 feet.    I started small when my son was 1st starting with a 24X16.  We had some liner issues and ended up not even using all that space and it was fine.  I added 8-16" each year until I ended up at 40X24.  I couldn't go larger as I had over 16" of slope corner to corner.  That worked well enough for 4-5 Pee Wee aged kids to play some shinny.   We built a new house and I had the backyard graded to 6" of slope per 100' purposely for setting up a rink, so I'm upping it to 56X32.  The other basics:  Boards are 24" high, except for behind the goals which are 4X8 sheets.  The are framed with PT 2X4's with 2X4 triangle braces secured with rebar staked into the ground.  I originally used deck screws to put the panels together, but I now use bolts.  It's easier to put up and take down and extends the life of the panels.   I use steel braces in each corner. 
     
    Here are some things I learned mostly by trial and error:
    1. Get some cheap plastic to put under your liner.  It will help keep it cleaner and improve the odds you'll be able to use it more than 1 year.
    2. Don't secure your liner with staples or nails.  Drape it over the sides or use bungies to allow it to flex when filling. It will move more than you expect as it gets filled. 
    3. Fill late in the afternoon or early evening when temps are in the low to mid 20's for the best ice.  Below 20 and odds are you'll get really crappy (shell) ice. 
    4. If it snows, clear it ASAP.  I put a drop down panel so that I can drive my snowblower on the ice.  You can easily lose a week or more if you let snow sit too long.  Either the water will seep up from underneath or surface melting will go to ice level and create an un-skateable surface. 
    5. I've mostly used hot water bucket dumps with an industrial squeegee for resurfacing.  I put a hot water spigot in my garage, so I might go back to using the PVC "zamboni" I made. 
    6. Get a shovel without a metal edge for clearing so you don't puncture the liner.   ALWAYS clear the snow after skating. 
     
    Have fun.  Hopefully it will get cold soon and not be like 2 winters ago.  We got a grand total of 1 weekend of skating that year.  PM me if you've got any questions or the dopes can break this out and not derail this thread.  Also check out https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/backyardrink/info for lots of other info. 
     
  22. The Mort Report

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    GoalieMonkey.com is having a 25% off sale on most of their stuff.  I dont know how much you play, but also buying them 3 at a time lowers the cost.  Then again I usually get good deals since I'm full right so sticks from last year are still on sale.  
     
    I have a question for other goalies out there...how did you break your gloves in?  I bought the Bauer RX10 leg/blocker/glove combo two years ago and the glove just does not want to break in.  I've been dumping money into my gear the last 2 years, and all the higher end stuff comes in pretty well broken in except for that damn glove.
     
  23. Fred not Lynn

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    Stay away from any sort of skate-aid, crate, walker, etc. Skating teaches itself, if you let it. Go out there with him, be supportive, stand across from him and you be his anchor/aid, and govern how much and how little help to give based on his progress.

    If you truly engage with him for 10 minutes, you'll get 10 times the learning effect of an hour with a crutch.

    Also, really super emphasize that he bend his knees. A rigid body, with fear driven locked out legs is very unstable, but with bent knees you can constantly make the sub-conscious micro-adjustments that make up the skill we call balance.

    As to your rink, the stuff above is good. Get a vapor barrier, for sure. Two HUGE things;

    1. Do everything you can to get the site as level as possible. Each inch off level you are equals an extra day of ice making to have a suitable rink.

    2. Get a hot water spigot. It will AMAZE you how much of a difference this makes.
     
  24. RIFan

    RIFan Member SoSH Member

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    Really good advice. When my son first learned to skate they spent most of the 1st few days having them fall to the ice and get up. They were taught to bend their knees and keep their weight a little forward so they would fall forward if they lost balance. Once you take the fear of falling away it makes everything easier.
     
  25. behindthepen

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    yeah, for new skaters knee pads probably are the most important equipment.  and any kind of glove.
    Also, kids develop leg strength at different ages, and keeping your knees bent all the time can be a lot of work for most 5 year olds.  so you have to figuire out whats comfortable for each kid.
    the key, as with everything in teaching kids, is to keep it fun.  The good thing about crates is you can throw a puck in front of them and they can pretend they are playing hockey.
     
    This may be too late for you, but one thing to consider in "leveling" your rink is to put pieces of housing insulation under the plastic on the deep side.  A cheap-ish way to reduce your freezing time.
     
    As for leagues, I dropped out of the NESHL earlier this year after 6 years.  Tired of the fights and penalties.  But there are hundreds of good pickup games.  Go to the Mass Skaters list on yahoo.
     
  26. TheShynessClinic

    TheShynessClinic SoSH's Doug Neidermeyer SoSH Member

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    Where/what division did you play for?
     
    I dropped out for pretty much the same reasons as you. I play at Navin Arena in Marlborough now in a league that's just as organized as the NESHL - but with less teams, and less younger players (who tend to be the problems, in my experience).
     
  27. Fred not Lynn

    Fred not Lynn Dick Button Jr. SoSH Member

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    Good tip on the insulation. It comes in different thicknesses, so try to use a configuration that uses as few pieces as possible...

    BUT - No crates, no crutches, ever. If a child needs front support like that, you go out there and be it. A crate can't remove itself as your kid begins to achieve balance for a few seconds at a time, and it becomes a binky, bearing almost all his weight. Plus, the effect of a trusted teacher/parent being out there, present within arms reach is enormous.
     
  28. TFP

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    Yeah both the teams I play for left the Marlborough NESHL league about 5-6 years ago to go over to the Westborough NorthStar Forum league. Private, independently run and is a million times better all around than the crap that is the NESHL. I probably wouldn't be playing if I was still in the NESHL. The fights/cheapshots, the refereeing, the schedule, and the ice quality were all terrible and made it not an enjoyable experience. 
     
    Westborough also just opened up a pay as you go league that allows you to play one game at a time and not join a league. It's organized pickup, basically. Details here for anyone interested (I haven't played in it, twice a week is enough for me).
     
  29. kenneycb

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    I will say that the Metro Boston A league was solid and didn't have most of the chippy shit, though that's likely more because of the skill level of the players. I did love that Hingham and Canton were considered Metro Boston. Always fun trying to get to a 7 PM playoff game there.
     
  30. behindthepen

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    I played in the North of Boston league.  There was actually a team called the Five Minute Majors and they lived up to their name.  Every season they had a guy get suspended.  Just stupid.
     
    I will say that my experience with Stinky Socks was pretty good as a pickup guy, except that the refs generally didn't take it too seriously, and I prefer a little more intensity.   the MA Hockey League has some 3v3 games which I like.
     
    I found a pickup game on Tue/Fri in Stoneham at 6:30am which is very good, decent skill and pretty intense without any stupidity.  And there's something refreshing about a good skate before work.
     
  31. CheapSeats

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    I play in Hockey New England on Sunday nights (C-level) in Everett.  I played Thursdays and Sundays in the fall, but it made for pretty rough Fridays/Mondays. They expanded by merging with the Greater Boston Hockey League, so there are a bunch more leagues than when I started with them a year ago.  Pretty decent, I wouldn't call it chippy, but there always seems to be people who get butthurt about any sort of contact in a no-check league (I count myself within that group at times). HNE does a pickup on Saturdays @ 11:45 at Hockey Town.  It's great during the summer because it ends up being a 2+ hour skate, but the amount of fun you get in an hour during the hockey season is dependent on how many guys show up (and how many know what a line change is).  
     
    I enjoy Stinky Socks, though when I joined one of their "leagues" I expected a little more than the organized pickup that it ended up being.  You see a couple of the same guys every week, but it doesn't have the same level of competition or camaraderie as HNE.  
     
  32. TheShynessClinic

    TheShynessClinic SoSH's Doug Neidermeyer SoSH Member

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    Anyone looking to skate tonight at 10:40 at Navin in Marlborough?

    My team is down 4 players and we could use a sub.
     
  33. TFP

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    Navin is still open?
     
    Unfortunately I can't tonight.
     
  34. TheShynessClinic

    TheShynessClinic SoSH's Doug Neidermeyer SoSH Member

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    Alive and well. Ice is way better than NESC too.
     
  35. Dummy Hoy

    Dummy Hoy Angry Pissbum SoSH Member

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    Anyone playing in the Chowder Cup this year?
     
  36. TheShynessClinic

    TheShynessClinic SoSH's Doug Neidermeyer SoSH Member

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    Not currently - but I would gladly hop on a team if someone had an open spot.
     
  37. TFP

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    YUP. I play every year, one of the best weekends of the whole year by far. Let me know if you'll be there and your schedule.
     
    The postgame drinking in the upstairs restaurant is pretty epic each year, especially with NHL playoffs going on.
     
  38. kenneycb

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    Miss it by a few days this year unfortunately. My team always kinda sucked anyways, the year we won notwithstanding.
     
  39. Dummy Hoy

    Dummy Hoy Angry Pissbum SoSH Member

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    I'm in this year on a 35+ team (may be 40+ at this point). Family life will force me to behave for most of it, but I'll try to steal a night to put 'em back.
     
    I'll holler when I get the schedule.
     
  40. tonyandpals

    tonyandpals Well-Known Member Lifetime Member SoSH Member

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    Anyone play in any of the StinkySocks tournaments? I'm doing the one in Quincy this weekend. They have another batch of them in May, I believe.
     
  41. TFP

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    Chowder Cup schedule is posted...one week away!
     
    I'm skating Thursday at 8:40pm, Friday at 8:30pm, and Saturday at 12:30pm....perfect schedule. 
     
  42. Dummy Hoy

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    Seems a bit early for a Saturday game when you're not even really starting drinking until 8:00 the night before. But that's just me.
     
  43. kenneycb

    kenneycb Hates Goose Island Beer; Loves Backdoor Play SoSH Member

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    It's perfect drinking time to be primed for when the Derby goes off.  Not to mention matinee hockey.
     
  44. TFP

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    Bingo. Any earlier is rough but this allows for the perfect day drinking in the afternoon, since we don't actually start up until about 2.

    And Friday night we won't start drinking until 9:30-10, so it hopefully won't be that bad as they shut the bar down there around 12-12:30.
     
  45. Over Guapo Grande

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    This is of no use to me, but some of you may be interested: 
     
     
     
    More details here
     
  46. TheShynessClinic

    TheShynessClinic SoSH's Doug Neidermeyer SoSH Member

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    That's awesome, thanks OGG.
     
    I might have to stop by for a stick or two.
     
  47. Jettisoned

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    Does anyone know anything about hockey-specific off ice training?  I lift 3 days a week (starting strength), but I'm looking to supplement that with stuff to improve my balance and quickness.
     
  48. Dummy Hoy

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    Check out Maria Mountain. I linked her twitter page because her website can be a bit cluttered with ads for stuff. I get her email newsletter and she always links to a ton of good videos (which you can access thru the website I believe. 
     
    I have no real background in it, but I have designed off ice programs for my teams in the past...I'm happy to go into more detail if you want to DM me.
     
    edit: That's great OGG. That may be worth the drive out.
     
  49. RIFan

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    Take a look at Hockeytraining.com He also has a YouTube channel. In general, focusing on core strength will help with balance. Working in Yoga poses will help develop your core and improve balance. Plyo, with focus on multi directional moves will help with explosiveness and therefore quickness.

    I'll also second Maria Mountain's YouTube channel.

    I do off ice training for my son's hockey team and would be happy to send you the workout sheets if you PM your email address.
     
  50. TheShynessClinic

    TheShynessClinic SoSH's Doug Neidermeyer SoSH Member

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    Any of the guys here who play in leagues looking for a player for the fall season?
     
    The team I've been playing for is losing its' Captain (and my good friend, and only reason I've stayed on the team). I'm looking for anything from mid-high C, or low B.
     
    I live in Wrentham, and currently play up at Navin and the NESC - but would love if there were a team in Walpole or closer looking for someone.
     
    I'm naturally a C, but can play pretty well on D in a puck moving role.
     
    I signed up for the Walpole NESHL draft - but the idea of getting drafted onto a team of people I don't really know doesn't sit all that great with me. Part of the fun in playing mens league is playing with friends.
     

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