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Basketball for young kids

Discussion in 'Coaches Corner' started by AlNipper49, Oct 25, 2015.

  1. Heinie Wagner

    Heinie Wagner Member SoSH Member

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    Wow, you talk about wanting and teaching the wrong things out of sports. Too bad for the kid.

    Did they pay?
     
  2. Winger 03

    Winger 03 Member SoSH Member

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    Update......

    Got drummed again 42-8 running our record to 0-2 and being out scored 82-15.

    I hope the kids are learning something.
     
  3. Winger 03

    Winger 03 Member SoSH Member

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    Oh and I forgot to mention the nifty half court press the other team used the entire second half.
     
  4. Heinie Wagner

    Heinie Wagner Member SoSH Member

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    That is awful. Nobody is learning anything except poor sportsmanship and bad habits when one team is pressing and trapping an overmatched opponent.

    Our "A" travel league has a rule - no pressing, no trapping, no fast breaks up 20 in 5/6th grades, up 25-30 in 7/8th grade. Our club's 6th grade "A" team is really struggling, I've had to complain to two other towns about their 6th grade coaches breaking this rule while winning by 40+.

    It's absurd. What are you trying to teach kids?
     
  5. robssecondjob

    robssecondjob Well-Known Member Gold Supporter SoSH Member

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    We have the 20 point rule as well in the older leagues that allow a press. It is religiously enforced by the officials. Taking things out of the coaches hands is needed it seems.
     
  6. Heinie Wagner

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    Good for your league. Our league rule is not referee enforced. The feeling is that refs do many different leagues and it would not be evenly enforced if we left it to them.

    Coaches sign a document that they have read the rules and agree to abide by them. Then it's up to town coordinators (like me) to reinforce the league specific rules. Certainly not "religiously enforced".

    I've seen refs in AAU and Travel call every hand check, every touch foul on a team that is pressing/trapping when they're up 20 and I think that is a great use of official's discretion. I wish more of them would do that.
     
  7. Cumberland Blues

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    The no fast breaks thing - if the coaches will do it - seems the best way to slow the onslaught of an over-matched opponent. The league my kid plays in enforces both a no press and no zone rule - but if the kids are running off every steal, rebound or block - it can still get out of hand in a hurry. My kid's team was playing on Saturday against a team that had lost by 40+ the previous week (and his team was on the winning end of an even more lopsided game that week). Not wanting the score to get out of hand two weeks in a row, my kid's coach just told the kids no fast breaks from the get go. They still won handily, but the score was reasonable (final score was something like 37-23) and I think both sides got something out of it. Had they run at every opportunity, they'd have won by 30+ easily and nobody would've learned anything other than our kids have played more basketball than their kids - which was apparent just from watching warm-ups.
     
  8. Heinie Wagner

    Heinie Wagner Member SoSH Member

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    Great job by your kid's coach!
     
  9. Winger 03

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    Back to games after the break. Got a little closer against a pretty poor team 41-11. At least we cracked 10 points and kept the score to 30 or less.
     
  10. Winger 03

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    Another loss today 55-3. 37-0 at the half. I am struggling to find any good in this at all.
     
  11. Doug Beerabelli

    Doug Beerabelli Killer Threads Lifetime Member SoSH Member

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    That's ridiculous. Were you playing the UConn women?
     
  12. Winger 03

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    It's awful. I'll be at practice tonight - interesting to see if the boys are losing steam. My wife was at the recent game and said the boys were trying hard and did not seem discouraged.




     
  13. Heinie Wagner

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    Sorry to hear that Winger.

    Would your league allow you to stop the game after it gets to a 20 point margin and have the other team scrimmage among themselves for a few minutes, then you do the same? Or mix the teams up so you can have competitive play?

    If it's really that awful, sometimes the best lesson you can teach kids is to know when to walk away from a bad situation and find a better use for your time. I don't know if you are at that point, but I am not of the mentality that you never quit on something. There is a right time to say enough is enough.
     
  14. Heinie Wagner

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    Our 7th grade basketball game yesterday was played on a small court, maybe a foot from 3 pt line to sideline and 10-15 feet short.

    3 of our last 4 games before this were 12-19 point wins over the other top 3 teams in the league. We beat this team by 24 the first time, but they're decent, so I'm not sure what was going to happen.

    Loyola Marymount vs Michigan (1990) for 7th graders broke out. We won 86-74. We had 5 guys in double figures, it was a ton of fun.
     
  15. teddykgb

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    I played on some really bad CYO teams when I was young -- maybe not quite as bad as being described in this thread but we seldom went to the gym expecting to win. I wouldn't overrate how much winning matters at these young ages. It's really fun to try to execute shots and plays. The key is having a good enough ball handler to be able to get into the half court and try something. If I were coaching now and in one of these situations, I'd just try to get the other coach to back off a press or to call off the dogs on stealing the ball before an attempt at offense has really been made. If every kid gets to throw up a few shots and you get rolled by 50 I doubt the kids will care all that much.
     
  16. Winger 03

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    This is a strange league with like 40+ teams and divisions etc. I do not sense a feeling of cooperation among the teams when getting run like we do. As noted up-thread in a game that we lost by 30+ the other coach was half court pressing until the end of the game.


     
  17. Heinie Wagner

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    Sorry, that sucks. The culture around youth sports is broken. It's a tremendous shame because sports has such incredible potential to positively impact the lives of so many kids.
     
  18. BJBossman

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    I do AAU.

    I LOVE doing that.

    No jungle ball on my watch.
     
  19. BJBossman

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    The leagues I do it's usually 20 points for no pressing.

    And then some of them are really prickly and go to a half court trap.

    guess who's never getting the benefit of the doubt if there's contact?
     
  20. Heinie Wagner

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    Awesome! I like the way you think. Let me know if you ever want to ref travel games in North Central CT :)
     
  21. BJBossman

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    Haha.

    My winters I'm kept pretty busy between 2 towards in Northeastern CT (near UConn), but I'm always down for more games. I'm no stranger to doing 3 games in the morning and then driving to do 3 more games in the afternoon/evening. I think the furthest I ever had to do to pull double duty like that was Tourtellot back to my normal reffing places.
     
  22. BJBossman

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    Let's take this offline.

    PM me what the schedule looks like.

    I'm always down for more games. :)
     

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