Barcelona 2013-2014: When very good is still not good enough

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Welp, that was about as derpy as it gets. What a shit show from Barca. Atleti should have had 3 goals within the first 15 minutes, hitting just about every inch of the woodwork. Barca insisted on trying to pass out of the back instead of clearing and regrouping. On offense, Xavi didn't show any creativity, Iniesta and Messi looked completely out of sorts, Cesc floated around harmlessly, and Neymar continued to get muscled off the ball consistently. Dani Alves had a great cross to Messi that narrowly missed. Neymar had one nice run and crossed to Messi, who missed badly. Neymar got a terrific pass in the 2nd half (forget from who) but tried to dribble around the keeper instead of hitting it first time. Alves had another excellent cross that just missed Xavi. Aaaaaaand that was literally ALL of the Barca chances I can remember. Alexis replaced Cesc and Pedro replaced Neymar, but it didn't make any difference. Props to Atleti for coming screaming out of the gates and pressuring Barca in their own half. Once Barca settled down, Atleti played 11 behind the ball, very deep, and looked to break on the counter. In the 2nd half, they should have had another 2 goals, but had some pitiful fast break play and finishing. Nevertheless, they were by far the better team and deserved to win. Barca's passing was completely choked off and there was not enough magic in Iniesta and Messi to bail them out. Time to focus on La Liga and get Atleti back in the final fixture, not to mention beat Real again for the Copa del Rey.
 
Barcelona had its chances, for sure, but Atletico really dominated the match and had as many missed opportunities as Barcelona.
 
The big talk on Marca and AS is that Messi only ran 6.8 kilometers, much less than Koke (12.2 km) and only 1.5 km more than Pinto. There is speculation that Messi did not agree with Martino's tactics and positioning. Others pundits are saying that Messi has not given 100% for a while, that he seems to be going through the motions without the same intensity. It's hard to identify the reason that Messi did not seem like, well, Messi, but I know that I did not have the gripping fear I normally have when he's on the pitch.
 

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Welp, that was about as derpy as it gets. What a shit show from Barca. Atleti should have had 3 goals within the first 15 minutes, hitting just about every inch of the woodwork. Barca insisted on trying to pass out of the back instead of clearing and regrouping. On offense, Xavi didn't show any creativity, Iniesta and Messi looked completely out of sorts, Cesc floated around harmlessly, and Neymar continued to get muscled off the ball consistently. Dani Alves had a great cross to Messi that narrowly missed. Neymar had one nice run and crossed to Messi, who missed badly. Neymar got a terrific pass in the 2nd half (forget from who) but tried to dribble around the keeper instead of hitting it first time. Alves had another excellent cross that just missed Xavi. Aaaaaaand that was literally ALL of the Barca chances I can remember. Alexis replaced Cesc and Pedro replaced Neymar, but it didn't make any difference. Props to Atleti for coming screaming out of the gates and pressuring Barca in their own half. Once Barca settled down, Atleti played 11 behind the ball, very deep, and looked to break on the counter. In the 2nd half, they should have had another 2 goals, but had some pitiful fast break play and finishing. Nevertheless, they were by far the better team and deserved to win. Barca's passing was completely choked off and there was not enough magic in Iniesta and Messi to bail them out. Time to focus on La Liga and get Atleti back in the final fixture, not to mention beat Real again for the Copa del Rey.
 
Xavi had the pass into Neymar that Courtois spoiled.  You missed what I thought was Barcelona's best chance in the match - the cross from Alexis that set Neymar up for a diving header that narrowly missed the goal.  Also, Iniesta was subbed off for Pedro, which gave Barcelona the weird attacking lineup of Busquets, Xavi, Pedro, Neymar, Messi and Alexis.  Pedro and Neymar were basically playing the exact same position on the left wing.  I didn't understand how that formation was supposed to create opportunities since it seemed like Alexis, Cesc and Messi were on top of each other in the middle and on the right and Neymar and Pedro were on top of each other on the left.
 
One thing that was clear is that this team needs Pique.  Mascherno and Bartra did not work well together.  
 
Atleti were clearly the better team in the match, which made the loss even more depressing.
 

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Xavi had the pass into Neymar that Courtois spoiled.  You missed what I thought was Barcelona's best chance in the match - the cross from Alexis that set Neymar up for a diving header that narrowly missed the goal.  Also, Iniesta was subbed off for Pedro, which gave Barcelona the weird attacking lineup of Busquets, Xavi, Pedro, Neymar, Messi and Alexis.  Pedro and Neymar were basically playing the exact same position on the left wing.  I didn't understand how that formation was supposed to create opportunities since it seemed like Alexis, Cesc and Messi were on top of each other in the middle and on the right and Neymar and Pedro were on top of each other on the left.
 
One thing that was clear is that this team needs Pique.  Mascherno and Bartra did not work well together.  
 
Atleti were clearly the better team in the match, which made the loss even more depressing.
 
It was Xavi's only through ball of the day - normally he has several. Overall, I thought he had a poor game, but Messi and Cesc didn't help him much by not making runs.
 
I definitely forgot to mention that header - excellent opportunity.
 
Mea culpa.
 

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Don't usually like such quick coaching changes, but honestly I might like this. Esp Klopp or Jogi Low. Team is missing something these days, and man is it painful to see Villa buzzing around in an Atleti uniform.
 

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Does Valdes make both saves that Pinto barely missed? On the first goal, Pinto got a hand on it but couldn't stop or deflect the ball enough to miss the goal. On the second, Bale put it right through his legs. 
 
In other words, Real Madrid played a better match than Barcelona and deserved to win. So, now the sky is falling -- fans are mad at the team, Martino is likely on his way out, and pundits are clamoring about the end of an era. Maybe. But the difference could have been having Valdes, who is one of the best keepers in the world.
 

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But the difference could have been having Valdes, who is one of the best keepers in the world.
 
But over the last 10 years, how often would you pin the difference being Victor Valdes? Their domination of possession would render the keeper meaningless. 
 
The wolves are definitely out for Martino. Stories are leaking about his training methods that paint him as passive. While Pep presents himself as a zen-like figure during his press conferences, his training methods are legendary in their intensity.
 
[media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z6YDl1dFI5g[/media] 
 

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Four points back from Atletico and with five games remaining, the chances of Barcelona jumping to the top of the table are slim. The chances are now a bit slimmer, as Neymar and Alba will miss the rest of the season.
 
Perhaps, though, Alexis and Pedro will replace Neymar and help the team find some lost rhythm. With Puyol and Pique still injured, and with Bartra coming off an injury, Alba's absence will surely be noted in the back-four.
 

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Cannot see Klopp leave Dortmund. I said this in another (or this?) thread before...He signed a new contract. His old went until ´16, new until ´18.
He just loves coaching in Dortmund. Yes, there are times when he is annoyed (he never minds biting his tongue or thinking about what he says) after losses or poor performances, because he can´t lose. But he is happy with this huge arena, more or less young team with a mentality of "improving established youngsters" and next to club boss Watzke and manager Zorc.
 
He is his own way and if some others would say "you just don´t turn down such an offer", i think Klopp would not consider it, as he would have to change himself too much to make everyone there (@Barca) happy. He isn´t the hard-working perfectionist like Pep who takes his time off and learns a new language and tries to fit in. Klopp goes his own way, whether you like it or not and this will be hard to accept for a huge club and even harder for a foreign club when he even can´t express himself perfect in spanish...
 

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Yeah, it was pretty much expected that the ban would be lifted whilst an appeal was ongoing. Should Martino be sacked, the Barcelona job has become a lot more attractive to any of the top coaches now the ban was lifted. It's hard enough to deal with the expectations of the Barcelona board and fans without being hogtied for 14 months unable to strengthen the squad. That's not the kind of situation a new coach would want to walk into.....
 

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Cannot overstate how huge this news is. I expect them to make a ton of moves this summer (duh) and I think the ban will be reduced to 1 transfer window. Now, can we please go pick up some center backs?!?!?
Amen! Please get 2 or 3 and at least one with a Slavic last name. "IC" or "ICH" means a stout CB. I like David Luiz but we need some beef back there badly. Thiago Silva anyone?
 

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Some rumblings (albeit on a Facebook group) are saying Deulofeu will go back to Everton next year. Seems beneficial for both parties.
 

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Sad news. I also read "Vilanova" but my brain processed "Martino" which resulted in a quick and frightful trip over to soccernet.com.
RIP Tito, a sad end to an courageous struggle. What a great run you had with Pep and then your 1 season in charge.
 

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Villareal makes it 2-0 with a Barca-like goal...Not that Barca would score such a goal from a header after a cross, but it was a well-played, beautiful goal and the cross came to a "2nd wave" player that was totally unmarked about 10m in front of the goal. Kind of the unnecessary Barca passes before they sometimes score (but it´s different when you play vs. Barca and are supposed to lose or when you are Barca and lead 3-0), you got the feeling the chance was already wasted, guy came in running and headed in the far corner perfectly.
 

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For all the turmoil, Barcelona can still win La Liga: they need to win their last two games and hope that Madrid falters. Of course, the team is far from its top form, and there are a ton of question marks at the moment. 
 
I just find it ironic, though, that Martino and Xavi basically said that the league is over even though they have a chance to bring home the title. I suppose this frustration stems from the team's lethargic play over the last few weeks, and the idea that the a change is coming. 
 

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Thanks to Valladolid's late equalizer against Real Madrid, Barcelona actually controls its destiny again. 2 wins and they win La Liga.
 

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Thanks to Valladolid's late equalizer against Real Madrid, Barcelona actually controls its destiny again. 2 wins and they win La Liga.
 
Wow, that's insane. Is goal differential the tie-breaker? i.e. If Barca and Atleti are tied on points after the last match, does Barca win La Liga?
 

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Wow, that's insane. Is goal differential the tie-breaker? i.e. If Barca and Atleti are tied on points after the last match, does Barca win La Liga?
The tie breaker in La Liga is actually head-to-head record but since they drew with Atleti in the first game they will hold the tiebreaker with a win in the last game.
 

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The tie breaker in La Liga is actually head-to-head record but since they drew with Atleti in the first game they will hold the tiebreaker with a win in the last game.
 
That's awesome news. Even a neutral fan should root for the big 3 to win their game 37s, so we can have a batshit insane week 38. I had given up on Barca this season.
 

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That's awesome news. Even a neutral fan should root for the big 3 to win their game 37s, so we can have a batshit insane week 38. I had given up on Barca this season.
 
You and the team. After the tie to Getafe, Xavi and Tata both threw in the towel.
 

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Perhaps wishful thinking on my part, but the change in fortunes has to rejuvenate them a bit right? I mean, win 2 games and you almost completely salvage the season.
 

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Thanks to Valladolid's late equalizer against Real Madrid, Barcelona actually controls its destiny again. 2 wins and they win La Liga.
 
I think Real Madrid may have essentially given the title to Barca.  Is there a chance Atletico can hold on for a draw in the Camp Nou with all the cards on the table?  Anything is possible in this crazy year, but I doubt it.  In fact, I wouldn't be surprised to see Atleti pull a Liverpool and lose to Malaga this weekend (though they could still win the league with a win at Barcelona in that event.)  Given a new sniff at the trophy, I just don't imagine Barca doing anything but grabbing it with both hands.
 
Atleti likely lost the title with their lackluster effort at Levante.  They were poor and dominated in the midfield, likely a champions league semi-final hangover.  Just goes to show what an incredible achievement the league/CL double is and how hard it is to win.  
 

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I think Real Madrid may have essentially given the title to Barca.  Is there a chance Atletico can hold on for a draw in the Camp Nou with all the cards on the table?  Anything is possible in this crazy year, but I doubt it.  In fact, I wouldn't be surprised to see Atleti pull a Liverpool and lose to Malaga this weekend (though they could still win the league with a win at Barcelona in that event.)  Given a new sniff at the trophy, I just don't imagine Barca doing anything but grabbing it with both hands.
 
Atleti likely lost the title with their lackluster effort at Levante.  They were poor and dominated in the midfield, likely a champions league semi-final hangover.  Just goes to show what an incredible achievement the league/CL double is and how hard it is to win.  
 
You're both right and wrong in your post. You're right that Atletico barely won against Malaga, a result that reflected Atleti's lackluster effort against Levante. The team has lost a spark -- it's hard to identify what it is. 
 
At the same time, you're wrong: Barcelona did not grab the title with both hands this weekend, failing to score against Elche. Sure, the tie does not take Barca out of the title chase, but a loss would have. The team played a dangerous, dangerous match, and was lucky to escape with a chance to still be crowned champs.
 

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You're both right and wrong in your post. You're right that Atletico barely won against Malaga, a result that reflected Atleti's lackluster effort against Levante. The team has lost a spark -- it's hard to identify what it is. 
 
At the same time, you're wrong: Barcelona did not grab the title with both hands this weekend, failing to score against Elche. Sure, the tie does not take Barca out of the title chase, but a loss would have. The team played a dangerous, dangerous match, and was lucky to escape with a chance to still be crowned champs.
Interesting end game for sure. Both teams have lost some opportunities for sure. It's still very hard to imagine Barca failing with a chance to win it at home, but we'll see.
 

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Lots of smoke regarding David Luiz going to Barca.  ESPN's UK site (but not the US site) has a story up about it, and some other sites like Bleacher Report are running with the story too.  http://www.espn.co.uk/football/sport/story/307315.html
 
I'm fine with the 30 mil price tag if it means we finally sign a legitimate central defender.  If the Luiz and Ter Stegen deals are close to what has been reported it will cost Barca about 40 million.  That leaves them with a lot of money left to improve the squad.  The team has said it has a 120 million euro war chest for the summer transfers (http://www.espnfc.com/news/story/_/id/1794837/barcelona-transfer-ban-suspended-fifa-buy-players-summer?cc=5901).  What does the other 80 million go towards?  
 
I see a lot of team have 2014-15 threads starting up.  I wasn't sure if this news belongs in the 13-14 thread since we still have one game left or if a new Barca thread should be created for this kind of news.
 

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Lots of smoke regarding David Luiz going to Barca.  ESPN's UK site (but not the US site) has a story up about it, and some other sites like Bleacher Report are running with the story too.  http://www.espn.co.uk/football/sport/story/307315.html
 
I'm fine with the 30 mil price tag if it means we finally sign a legitimate central defender.  If the Luiz and Ter Stegen deals are close to what has been reported it will cost Barca about 40 million.  That leaves them with a lot of money left to improve the squad.  The team has said it has a 120 million euro ear chest for the summer transfers (http://www.espnfc.com/news/story/_/id/1794837/barcelona-transfer-ban-suspended-fifa-buy-players-summer?cc=5901).  What does the other 80 million go towards?  
 
I see a lot of team have 2014-15 threads starting up.  I wasn't sure if this news belongs in the 13-14 thread since we still have one game left or if a new Barca thread should be created for this kind of news.
Some more CBs?
 

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Some more CBs?
 It would be nice to see them actually signing defenders this transfer window.  I doubt any of the other high priced CBs that could be available (Hummels, Inigo Martinez, etc.) would want to come if regular playing time isn't guaranteed.  I've also been pretty happy with Bartra considering his age and experience.  I think he would be a suitable 3rd CB next season.
 
I wouldn't mind seeing them get a more physical and defensively inclined replacement for Alves, a player in the mold of Ivanovic or Zabaleta.  The RB market is thin, though, and I don't know who could be available this summer.
 

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Messi gets a new contract upping his annual pay from 13 to 20 Million Euros. Hopefully things are getting straightened out at Camp Nou. Win tomorrow and the season is salvaged.
 

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Messi gets a new contract upping his annual pay from 13 to 20 Million Euros. Hopefully things are getting straightened out at Camp Nou. Win tomorrow and the season is salvaged.
 
Can I hedge my bets and say, "Yes, because with a win, you'll still only be tied for first place?"
 

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 It would be nice to see them actually signing defenders this transfer window.  I doubt any of the other high priced CBs that could be available (Hummels, Inigo Martinez, etc.) would want to come if regular playing time isn't guaranteed.  I've also been pretty happy with Bartra considering his age and experience.  I think he would be a suitable 3rd CB next season.
 
I wouldn't mind seeing them get a more physical and defensively inclined replacement for Alves, a player in the mold of Ivanovic or Zabaleta.  The RB market is thin, though, and I don't know who could be available this summer.
David Luiz is a really good player but Barca's absolute suck at set pieces this season scream for someone of size and bulk to man the Central Defense. Luiz might be better than anyone they have off set pieces but I am afraid he alone will not really fix their problem. Thiago Silva would be nice but is not required. Hummels would be great and I think he would get plenty of playing time. Pique without Captain Puyol next to him has proven to be a bit short of world class.
 

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Am I the only one that thinks Diego Costa just made a financial decision?
 

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You wouldn't feel bad if you fucked your teammates over because you were guarding your new contract?

I'm not saying that's what happened. Just saying the tears don't necessarily make it not true.

Edit-Holy balls, what a goal!
 

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It's nice that while someone was getting a yellow card, Ray Hudson was blithering on about Chile, and locker room speeches, and who knows what else. No clarification of who exactly got the yellow, or why.
It looked like Busquets got the yellow but the Spanish feed guys didn't know why either. I may have missed the clarification later, because of putting the baby down for a nap, but it looked to me like Messi should have gotten it for booting the ball away when the whistle was blown to end the half.

Edit-Box score shows that Messi did get a yellow. So I'm guessing the Busquets yellow was for arguing that.
 
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