Bad losers, worse winners
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I think both.
Vigneaeult has cost himself a job this year (and thank god...hopefully we have at least 1 year without having to hear him fucking bitch).
Luongo is a $5.5 mil back up goalie for the next 10 years. The real question is, who wants to commit that kind of money and years to him? He trailed Tim Thomas in both GAA and Save % this year, and I think we all know Timmy wasn't exactly a world beater. He'll be 43 when his contract is up, and he clearly folds under pressure. Vancouver did a pretty good job of sabotaging his trade value this postseason as well. He had 1 year as a top 3 goalie, and a few years as a top 10 goalie.
The Canucks are going to have a hard time giving Luongo away.
Vigneaeult has cost himself a job this year (and thank god...hopefully we have at least 1 year without having to hear him fucking bitch).
Luongo is a $5.5 mil back up goalie for the next 10 years. The real question is, who wants to commit that kind of money and years to him? He trailed Tim Thomas in both GAA and Save % this year, and I think we all know Timmy wasn't exactly a world beater. He'll be 43 when his contract is up, and he clearly folds under pressure. Vancouver did a pretty good job of sabotaging his trade value this postseason as well. He had 1 year as a top 3 goalie, and a few years as a top 10 goalie.
The Canucks are going to have a hard time giving Luongo away.
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I think both.
Vigneaeult has cost himself a job this year (and thank god...hopefully we have at least 1 year without having to hear him fucking bitch).
Luongo is a $5.5 mil back up goalie for the next 10 years. The real question is, who wants to commit that kind of money and years to him? He trailed Tim Thomas in both GAA and Save % this year, and I think we all know Timmy wasn't exactly a world beater. He'll be 43 when his contract is up, and he clearly folds under pressure. Vancouver did a pretty good job of sabotaging his trade value this postseason as well. He had 1 year as a top 3 goalie, and a few years as a top 10 goalie.
The Canucks are going to have a hard time giving Luongo away.
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Had Philadelphia not gotten Bryz last year and they still had the pile of crap they have back there they would have been a match. Though its always possible that Toronto somehow gets involved.
I think both.
Vigneaeult has cost himself a job this year (and thank god...hopefully we have at least 1 year without having to hear him fucking bitch).
Luongo is a $5.5 mil back up goalie for the next 10 years. The real question is, who wants to commit that kind of money and years to him? He trailed Tim Thomas in both GAA and Save % this year, and I think we all know Timmy wasn't exactly a world beater. He'll be 43 when his contract is up, and he clearly folds under pressure. Vancouver did a pretty good job of sabotaging his trade value this postseason as well. He had 1 year as a top 3 goalie, and a few years as a top 10 goalie.
The Canucks are going to have a hard time giving Luongo away.
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Had Philadelphia not gotten Bryz last year and they still had the pile of crap they have back there they would have been a match. Though its always possible that Toronto somehow gets involved.
Statistically, Luongo isn't a bad value for the next few years; his salary dips below his cap hit after 2017-18 when it goes $3,382,000 - $1,618,000 - $1,000,000 - $1,000,000 to finish out the contract. Pretty feasible IMO that he retires before the last three seasons, leaving him right at age 40 and making the remainder of his contract really 7 years at an average of $6,238,000 in real dollars with a $5,333,333.33 cap hit. Pretty awful, but not DiPietro/Gomez-awful. He hasn't had a save percentage below .913 since 24 games in '99-'00 on Long Island.
Call me crazy, but I think they'll find a taker. I still believe the Tampa scenario I outlined earlier is feasible:
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Call me crazy, but I think they'll find a taker. I still believe the Tampa scenario I outlined earlier is feasible:
Adding to that, they're still in a contending window with St. Louis and Ohlund able to perform and Stamkos being... Stamkos. They'd be a playoff team with Luongo, no doubt.
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Yeah, Tampa makes sense. Luongo and Yzerman have history from the 2010 Olympics, so that seems like a match. Frankly, as fun as it is to shit on Luongo, he's not the reason they are golfing today. The Canucks have scored 14 goals in their last 12 playoff games, and one of those was an ENG. 1 goal per game isn't going to cut it no matter who is in net. Schneider had a 90+ minute shutout streak across games 4 and 5, and they managed to score 2 goals during that stretch.
Also, the article SidelineCameras posted indicated to me AV will be back. They are still whining about the Sedin/Keith hit, so there's the scapegoat. They'll keep on plowing ahead. Also, it is funny how the AV and the Canucks players don't agree with the Torres suspension, but they all wanted Marchand executed after the Salo hit.
Edit: I got the threads mixed up. The article I was referring to is posted in the Shannaban thread.
Also, the article SidelineCameras posted indicated to me AV will be back. They are still whining about the Sedin/Keith hit, so there's the scapegoat. They'll keep on plowing ahead. Also, it is funny how the AV and the Canucks players don't agree with the Torres suspension, but they all wanted Marchand executed after the Salo hit.
Edit: I got the threads mixed up. The article I was referring to is posted in the Shannaban thread.
I think Toronto and Tampa both make sense. Of course, Luongo doesn't seem to like the pressure, so going from Vancouver to a bigger pressure cooker in Toronto doesn't make a whole lot of sense. Don't forget he has a NTC.
I think Tampa makes the most sense, I just wonder if they think the investment is worth it. They were able to milk a good playoff run out of Roloson for cheap. You have to wonder if they either...
A.)Would rather try to find an average goalie on the cheap
or
B.)Want to bring in a guy under a contract that will run through his early 40's after watching Roloson turn back into a pumpkin this year.
Still makes sense to me, and there obviously is always a need for a top 10-12 goalie. I just have to wonder how much the "choker" label affects his value. His first year with Vancouver was practically pressure free since he was almost playing with house money in the first playoffs of his career. He only won 1 series that year, against the Dallas Stars who were ranked 21st in overall offense that year. He then put up a 2.66 GAA to Anaheim. Since then, his playoff numbers look like:
49 games, 27 wins and 22 losses, .908 save %, 2.69 GAA
That doesn't exactly instill confidence that he'll be the guy to take you to the promise land. In fact, you can seriously argue that you may never win with him as your #1 goalie if you believe that he's a playoff choker. In the end, one great quote from wikipedia tells you all you need to know about Roberto Luongo. In game 5 against the Anaheim ducks, an elimination game, Luongo put up his best showing of the playoffs by posting 47 shots and only giving up 1 goal. He was then pulled before overtime and replaced with another goalie.
I think Tampa makes the most sense, I just wonder if they think the investment is worth it. They were able to milk a good playoff run out of Roloson for cheap. You have to wonder if they either...
A.)Would rather try to find an average goalie on the cheap
or
B.)Want to bring in a guy under a contract that will run through his early 40's after watching Roloson turn back into a pumpkin this year.
Still makes sense to me, and there obviously is always a need for a top 10-12 goalie. I just have to wonder how much the "choker" label affects his value. His first year with Vancouver was practically pressure free since he was almost playing with house money in the first playoffs of his career. He only won 1 series that year, against the Dallas Stars who were ranked 21st in overall offense that year. He then put up a 2.66 GAA to Anaheim. Since then, his playoff numbers look like:
49 games, 27 wins and 22 losses, .908 save %, 2.69 GAA
That doesn't exactly instill confidence that he'll be the guy to take you to the promise land. In fact, you can seriously argue that you may never win with him as your #1 goalie if you believe that he's a playoff choker. In the end, one great quote from wikipedia tells you all you need to know about Roberto Luongo. In game 5 against the Anaheim ducks, an elimination game, Luongo put up his best showing of the playoffs by posting 47 shots and only giving up 1 goal. He was then pulled before overtime and replaced with another goalie.
Yep. That seems about right.
I'd never heard that, but you are right on. I vaguely remembered it being an equipment problem, but I guess the real reason didn't get too far outside BC after the playoffs :lol:
Also, I agree that it would make more sense to stay completely away from Luongo, but given his 4 year, $5.625m AAV, 35+ extension to Martin St. Louis kicking in at age 36 and signed almost a full year before St. Louis's current deal was set to expire (as well as a 4 year NTC extension to 32-year-old Eric Brewer), I think it's safe to say Yzerman isn't too risk-averse when it comes to old age.
Also, I agree that it would make more sense to stay completely away from Luongo, but given his 4 year, $5.625m AAV, 35+ extension to Martin St. Louis kicking in at age 36 and signed almost a full year before St. Louis's current deal was set to expire (as well as a 4 year NTC extension to 32-year-old Eric Brewer), I think it's safe to say Yzerman isn't too risk-averse when it comes to old age.
I wonder how the NTC will play. It's not just that Luongo ends up getting to choose where to go, it's that the team taking him on then has to basically understand that restriction.
Looks like GM MG realizes his job is just as much on the line as Vigneault's, especially after dealing a guy with Hodgson's potential for a 2nd-3rd line tweener. Good on ya, Mike.
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Vigneaeult has cost himself a job this year (and thank god...hopefully we have at least 1 year without having to hear him fucking bitch).
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If/when he gets canned by Vancouver, you can schedule a press conference in Montreal 48 hours later.
Vigneaeult has cost himself a job this year (and thank god...hopefully we have at least 1 year without having to hear him fucking bitch).
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If/when he gets canned by Vancouver, you can schedule a press conference in Montreal 48 hours later.
Was talking about that possibility with El Gatisimo.
If it's Roy: GM, Vigneault: Coach in Mount Royal, I'll move back just for the comedy
If it's Roy: GM, Vigneault: Coach in Mount Royal, I'll move back just for the comedy
Funny that the Bruins-Canucks game seemed to sap the winner (if it actually did) in that it also seemed to knock the Bs off their game for a while.
Happily, the Bs aren't nearly as into excuse making as those douche bags and happily, the Bs eventually righted the ship.
Canucks Elimination Day isn't exactly the same as YED for me but it's still a very good day indeed.
And I'm still trying to figure out which moment was better -- Marchand's battery of a Sedin or Thomas' flattening of one. I have a great shot of the latter and was unable to find a picture of the former for sale. But why choose? Two classic moments.
Happily, the Bs aren't nearly as into excuse making as those douche bags and happily, the Bs eventually righted the ship.
Canucks Elimination Day isn't exactly the same as YED for me but it's still a very good day indeed.
And I'm still trying to figure out which moment was better -- Marchand's battery of a Sedin or Thomas' flattening of one. I have a great shot of the latter and was unable to find a picture of the former for sale. But why choose? Two classic moments.
Apparently Lucic was involved in an "altercation" at a Vancouver bar.
GFDI I hate this fucking city.
http://www.cbssports.com/nhl/eye-on-hockey/24377003/video-milan-lucic-involved-in-altercation-outside-vancouver-bar
GFDI I hate this fucking city.
http://www.cbssports.com/nhl/eye-on-hockey/24377003/video-milan-lucic-involved-in-altercation-outside-vancouver-bar
Looch says he's done with the city. Says he won't defend his home city anymore, and outside of Rogers Arena you won't see him in downtown Vancouver ever again.
Also he claims he's pursuing legal action.
Also he claims he's pursuing legal action.
Indeed. Ouch.
@HackswithHaggs: Milan Lucic: "Other than being at Rogers Arena, you'll never see me in downtown Vancouver again. I'm done trying to defend city I'm from"
(@HackswithHaggs
Milan Lucic referring to an "unprovoked attack" when he was out in downtown Vancouver following Saturday nights game vs Canucks #BruinsTalk
@HackswithHaggs: Milan Lucic: "Other than being at Rogers Arena, you'll never see me in downtown Vancouver again. I'm done trying to defend city I'm from"
(@HackswithHaggs
Milan Lucic referring to an "unprovoked attack" when he was out in downtown Vancouver following Saturday nights game vs Canucks #BruinsTalk
That someone defaced his church over the Cup loss is preposterous. Saw that in the link above and it was news to me.
http://www.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/27694626/34874006
http://www.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/27694626/34874006
Start new threads people.
This definitely highlights the difference in today's hockey players - if this happened in the 70s, there would have been a good ol donnybrook with the entire team.
This definitely highlights the difference in today's hockey players - if this happened in the 70s, there would have been a good ol donnybrook with the entire team.
I just watched the video a few times...I don't think that CBS link is correct in accusing Lucic of dropping the "Do you know who I am?" card. Pretty sure it's the other guy.
Even if it was, the guy should know who he is before picking a fight with him. At least that would be fair warning to him about who is about to dismember him.
It's been a few years since the B's smacked the Canucks around in game 7, and I thought my hatred for these fuckers has faded.
But going back to the start of this thread and remembering the shit they pulled the year after the B's won the cup...
http://youtu.be/G22QS99ReTo
I forgot all about them jumping a Bruin in a 5-on-1 fight.
Merry Christmas Vancouver. I hope you are all Cory Lidle'd on your way home to see your asshole families.
But going back to the start of this thread and remembering the shit they pulled the year after the B's won the cup...
http://youtu.be/G22QS99ReTo
I forgot all about them jumping a Bruin in a 5-on-1 fight.
Merry Christmas Vancouver. I hope you are all Cory Lidle'd on your way home to see your asshole families.
My favorite part of the is Henrik Sedin slipping off onto the bench right before the madness breaks loose.
I remember a lot of people around here were pissed the B's lost and complaining about what a circus that games was- how the Bruins took themselves out of the game by running around trying to fight. To me that was exactly what they needed to do- they held themselves together for 7 games of those punks being a bunch of cheap pussies. A regular season game meant nothing in comparison to letting them blow off some steam and actually get to take some well deserved shots at those clowns.
God, what a shitbag Lapierre is. At least he agreed to fight someone smaller than him.
I remember a lot of people around here were pissed the B's lost and complaining about what a circus that games was- how the Bruins took themselves out of the game by running around trying to fight. To me that was exactly what they needed to do- they held themselves together for 7 games of those punks being a bunch of cheap pussies. A regular season game meant nothing in comparison to letting them blow off some steam and actually get to take some well deserved shots at those clowns.
God, what a shitbag Lapierre is. At least he agreed to fight someone smaller than him.
I miss playing division people as often. But man I like playing these guys (and the other western teams) twice every year. Feb 4, I'm looking at you...
My favorite part was the Bruins ending up shorthanded.
How about Looch getting booted from the game (only to have the league office admit "oops, he actually didn't do anything wrong"?)
How about Looch getting booted from the game (only to have the league office admit "oops, he actually didn't do anything wrong"?)
IIRC, the 6-on-Thornton led to a full 2:00 5-on-3 for Vancouver.
The crap and hypocrisy spewing from the mouths on the Vancouver side after the Marchand low bridge still pisses me off.
The crap and hypocrisy spewing from the mouths on the Vancouver side after the Marchand low bridge still pisses me off.
IIRC, the 6-on-Thornton led to a full 2:00 5-on-3 for Vancouver.
The crap and hypocrisy spewing from the mouths on the Vancouver side after the Marchand low bridge still pisses me off.
Yup, just re-watched. A full 5 on 3. They scored at least once on it, and won the game by a goal.
The crap and hypocrisy spewing from the mouths on the Vancouver side after the Marchand low bridge still pisses me off.
Yup, just re-watched. A full 5 on 3. They scored at least once on it, and won the game by a goal.
I also always enjoy the YouTube comments from the Canucks fans. Lucic committed a cheap shot by attacking Canucks from behind (who were attacking his teammate 5 on 1). Maybe Lucic got booted for being the seventh man in a fight.
I think I'm gonna try to get tix to this game too. Goddamn it's good to feel the vicious antipathy again.
Watching him in that makes me wistful for Nathan Horton. I know he was prone to disappearing for long stretches, but when he was on, I loved him.
Whenever I get annoyed about Vancouver I just head to the Johnny Canuck youtube channel for some angst-ridden gold.
They blew a 2-0 lead in a series they thought was a coronation and then their fans burnt down their own city in response.
Nothing really to do with the Canucks besides laugh at them, the battle and the war are both over as far as any "rivalry" with the Bruins even if Vancouver wins the next 200 regular season games.
Nothing really to do with the Canucks besides laugh at them, the battle and the war are both over as far as any "rivalry" with the Bruins even if Vancouver wins the next 200 regular season games.