Vigneault is taking this Canucks parody thing a little too far. He has played the part well though.
Bad losers, worse winners
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Isn't Vingneault the same guy had Raffi Torres running around trying to hurt guys last year? Also, aren't the Canucks still in litigation over the Bertuzzi/Moore incident? You would think that they would keep thier mouths shut but appearently they're still too butthurt from losing game 7 at home to stay silent. I would love seven more games with these cunts in June.
I don't ever wade in here, but I LOVED the 5 on 1 beatdown on Thornton. In watching the numerous replays during the game, it's very clear that one of the Sedins was coming off the ice during the change- saw his teammates pile on the hapless Bruin maybe two yards away from where he stood- contemplated for a second and then meekly got on the bench to observe as the other Bruins rushed to their teammates defense. What a total bitch.
I think Sedin actually did the right thing. He's not a fighter, and the altercation had nothing to do with him.
Chiarelli is pretty fired up over Vigneault's comments...(Sorry, no link, posting via phone).
"The lobbying, propaganda in advance of the hearing is distasteful"
"The lobbying, propaganda in advance of the hearing is distasteful"
You're right, but to the casual fan like me, the captain of the team should be right in the middle of anything backing his teammates up. He came across as a giant sissy to me.
And if he jumped on top of the pile the reaction would have been even worse. No love for the Sedins from me, but you don't want your non-fighters engaging in stuff like that unless it is absolutely necessary.
http://www.boston.com/sports/hockey/bruins/extras/bruins_blog/2012/01/chiarelli_rises.html
Bruins general manager Peter Chiarelli, angered over the ``propaganda campaign'' waged by the Vancouver organization in an attempt to protray Brad Marchand as a ``dirty player'' before his hearing today with NHL disciplinarian Brendan Shanahan, rose to the defense of his diminuative forward, who ranks third on th team in scoring (16-16_32).
``He's no dirtier than maybe two or three of their players,'' Chiarelli said after today's practice at TD Garden. ``After a game like [Saturday's 4-2 loss to the Canucks], you see all the high-handed propaganda, you feel the need to respond. Whether it's from GMs, coaches or players, I don't like to hear that kind of stuff.
"Certainly, there's a lobbying element to it and I feel the league does a real good job in these hearings and I don't think, it's necessary to have that out there,'' Chiarelli said.
Awesome. All hail Clode.
The B's never get ticked like this. I don't ever remember there being this much bad blood between 2 teams. Front office, coaches, players. They all hate each other.
To hell with travel, with realignment scrapped, get these 2 teams playing 6 times a year.
The B's never get ticked like this. I don't ever remember there being this much bad blood between 2 teams. Front office, coaches, players. They all hate each other.
To hell with travel, with realignment scrapped, get these 2 teams playing 6 times a year.
Honestly reminds me of Jets - Pats at this point.
I love Chiarelli's and Julien's quotes. To the point, defending their team, but not stooping to the whining level of the Canucks in response.
Edit: and AV's comment about Marchand "getting it" immediately reminded me of Marc Crawford and the Bertuzzi situation. I wonder which team Bertuzzi was on when that happened? Hmmmmm.
Edit 2: That Stanley Cup quote from Claude is just the perfect response. Only one better that I can think of was Pat Roy responding to Roenick's comments about him by saying "I can't hear him because my Cup rings are blocking my ears."
That was exactly my thought as well. Fitting the litigation just ended in the last week.
Vancouver is exactly the type of team that can give the Bruins a good game.
As much as the Bruins have been steamrolling everyone, they haven't faced too many good 5-on-5 teams. Vancouver is one of the elite 5-on-5 teams in the league and match up very well with what the Bruins are trying to do. It really didn't surprise me that they lost this game, it was a 50/50 toss up going into it.
The Vancouver dudes would be a lot less brave on and off (Bieksa) the ice, if there was the prospect of a rematch in a couple of weeks...
It's like Claude heard everything inside my head and said it out loud. Bruins FO knows the score, as does everyone around the league. Vancouver's complete lack of self-awareness continues to shine. It's amazing that an organization comprised entirely of high school girls is able to have such success in a men's league.
My thought when I saw the initial post, too. Did Van score 5 on 5?
Van's an elite team when they have a lot of ice to operate in. 5 on 5, there are better teams, and the Bs are one of them.
PS - Vigneault should be suspended for those comments. We all know what he's doing and what happened last time. If there's one thing the NHL has to be afraid of at this point, it's another Bertuzzi incident, especially with the Enforcer Deaths of 2011. Fuck him.
If they play again, I could honestly see Clode jumping over the bench and attacking him.
If they play again, I could honestly see Clode jumping over the bench and attacking him.
That's fantastic. I was actually just thinking about that, I couldn't remember if it was coaches from last Cup or how they did it.
If only this were professional wrestling. The next time they play, just before the puck was dropped the refs would all stand up, look at each other and slowly nod then look at Claude and they all slowly nod at each other then all of them look up at Cam and Chia and they all slowly nod at each other then someone calls Toronto and they slowly nod at each other through the phone. Refs skate off the ice and as the Canucks players and coaches look around in confusion, we briefly see all 20 of the Bruins drop their gloves and sticks before the lights go out and all the video/audio feeds in the arena are cut and the tapes forever lost.
After 5-10 minutes of the NESN Technical Difficulties screen, the picture comes back and the lights flash on to find all 20 of the Canucks players plus coaches bloodied on the ice and behind the bench, writhing in pain while Claude is behind his bench with an icepack over his hand and the B's players are standing there waiting for the faceoff as if nothing happened. Lucic then appears from the runway with his hands full of Coors Lights and starts throwing them to his teammates and into the crowd before cracking two and draining them at the same time. The refs come back and the Bruins win 10-0 and the Canucks complain after the game but nobody can find any video evidence and it goes into the books as "unknown attacker(s)."
Then, and only then, do the Canucks finally shut the fuck up.
There are only a handful of better 5-on-5 teams in the league. They are in the top five to seven 5-on-5 teams in the league.
My point wasn't about the game Saturday as much as about the general matchup. Vancouver has enough 5-on-5 talent to compliment it's special teams that they match up fairly well with the Bruins, it's not surprising that they would beat them and given another 7 game series, I'd put Vancouver winning at about 40-45%. They are very evenly matched teams.
It's not about Vancouver scoring 5-on-5, it's about Vancouver being able to keep the game competetive while 5-on-5 to give their special teams an opportunity. The Bruins will beat any team 5-on-5 at this point, that's ther M.O., but teams that are able to counter with a good 5-on-5 gameplan and a strong special teams will give the Bruins some trouble.
So, really, the fact that Vancouver didn't score 5-on-5 is irrelevant.
Or that all of the B's goals were 5on5?
As an aside...how does one figure out how much actual 5 on 5 was played during Saturday's game? there were 108 penalty minutes or thereabouts, but does the NHL keep stats on amount of time one team has at 5 on-4 or 5-on-3? and 5-on-4 or 4-on-4?
edit: question
Devils fan here. I hope the Canucks team bus explodes the next time they ride it. I have never seen a dirtier, cheaper, more dislikeable team. Fuck them.
I smell another awesome simulcast in which the other radio guys duck out early after Felger's verbal assault.
I really think Vancouver's issue is they're by and large a soft team, and they really don't know how/aren't equipped to match up with the Bruins physically. They know they can't just take it, they aren't tough enough to play that game, so you get this: a team that either tries to sucker the other team into penalties or delivers cheap shots out of frustration.
The Bruins do try and "goon it up" (for lack of a better phrase)...to be honest they can't play an up-and-down pure finesse game with Vancouver; they'd lose, unless Luongo went all Peyton Manning Face and started giving up softies again. That's no slight to Boston, few teams can match the Canucks playing that style. But they've got a bad mix in that they've got skill players who aren't physical at all in the Sedins, and then they've got physical players who are borderline dirty (or just plain dirty like Lapierre)...and it's a recipe for an escalation to a level of physicality that they can't handle. They need to either add some honest physical "tough" players that are willing to respond when guys like Hank and Danny are run at, or dump some of their ratty guys and play it clean, skip the agitation strategy, and reap the benefits when a physical team takes the inevitable penalties.
They really do have a situation that's similar to the Habs', except a few less d-bags in Montreal.
The Bruins do try and "goon it up" (for lack of a better phrase)...to be honest they can't play an up-and-down pure finesse game with Vancouver; they'd lose, unless Luongo went all Peyton Manning Face and started giving up softies again. That's no slight to Boston, few teams can match the Canucks playing that style. But they've got a bad mix in that they've got skill players who aren't physical at all in the Sedins, and then they've got physical players who are borderline dirty (or just plain dirty like Lapierre)...and it's a recipe for an escalation to a level of physicality that they can't handle. They need to either add some honest physical "tough" players that are willing to respond when guys like Hank and Danny are run at, or dump some of their ratty guys and play it clean, skip the agitation strategy, and reap the benefits when a physical team takes the inevitable penalties.
They really do have a situation that's similar to the Habs', except a few less d-bags in Montreal.
I won't scream blasphemy on this point, but I also don't agree with it. I think the Bruins can absolutely match the Canucks in a finesse game. Vancouver is basically one line deep, and if you avoid penalties and match up Chara + the Bergeron line, they can effectively shut down the Sedin line. You saw in Game 7 where the refs put the whistles away, that the Bruins just outdefended and outclassed Vancouver on the ice without "gooning" it up.
In other words, copy the Detroit model for the most part. At least make that the ideal they strive towards. I think they would be very successful doing that, and having their leaders be tough yet skilled and clean players like Lidstrom, Datsyuk, and Zetterberg and hard hitters like Kronwall. It'd be interesting to see them at least try to move toward that.
Maybe. The strength of the Bruins is they've got unbelievable depth, they can roll 4 lines and really wear down a team especially over a long series. I really felt like not having Kesler hurt Vancouver badly, because they are somewhat a 1-line team when he's not there. I don't necessarily think the B's need to goon it up to beat a finesse team, but they do need to play a physical game, forecheck, put pressure on the D (Canucks were down a D-man or 2 as I recall...Erhoff?) I'm not saying they'd definitely lose if they didn't play physical at all, but it's one of their strengths and they'd be foolish to just not hit. I don't think they need to go the intimidation route, though it certainly helps them when they play clubs like the Nucks and Habs.
This is exactly what I was thinking of. And I don't even think it'd be all that difficult for them to transition in that direction. It helps that they've got a very valuable trade piece in Schneider (unless they really don't trust Luongo, which is possible). But at this point it almost feels like there's a culture of whining vibe coming out of there; even a guy like Bieksa whose play ought to speak for itself seems to feel compelled to whine. If they could lose Lapierre and maybe Burrows, and bring in some leadership, they might be better off. Maybe an Iginla trade, though there's a rivalry there so I don't really see that. Somebody who'd hold guys accountable...I mean I know you guys love Marchand, and if he was a Flyer I'd love him too, but somebody should have dropped the gloves with him over the speedbagging thing from last June, and it should have happened his first shift.
And based on some of his comments Vigneault isn't part of the solution either...the guy talks like a victim. They need a "no-BS" type of coach, somebody like Julien, Laviolette, Torts, Bylsma...you get the idea.
Second quote is really all that needs to be said. Bruins are the champs, we all know how the league as a whole views the Canucks. Let the Canucks enjoy their January title and 2 points move on. Glad to see the coach and GM stick up for their players but better to just move on and get the players back focused on running roughshod over the league. Its not like it is with the Canadians, we play the Canucks once a year. We won the only matchup that matters last summer. Until or unless a playoff rematch happens, matter has been settled. Bruins are the winners, Canucks are the losers, no amount of verbal flatulance is going to change that. Im also confident the league isnt going to hand out increased discipline because Vancouver is whining for the 100th time.
Mo, That plan sounds good but you're right, the BS runs thick top to bottom and seems like it's practically an organizational mandate at this point. They didn't thicken their skins one bit after being humbled at home in Game 7; instead they've doubled down on the same stuff that made them the laughingstock of the league. What a weird locker room that must be.
I really think the coach at minimum would have to go. But the bigger problem is, they seem to feel like they're doing things just right and they're prating on because the mean bully Bruins kicked over their sand castle and knocked down their snowman. And it's embarrassing because they're too talented to need to resort to this stuff. You know who they remind me of? The Colts...they should get Mike Gillis on the competition committee and get checking banned so they can win.
Fair points. Kesler was injured, but I'm not sure that line is all that strong even when he's healthy. The D guy they were down was Hamhuis after he clipped (couldn't resist) Lucic in G1. They obviously lost Rome to suspension as well.
As far as fixing the Canucks, getting rid of Burrows, Lapierre and Hannsen, Vignault (seen enough to consider him dirty) would go a long way.
Good call on the Colts. Polian is looking for a job now too!
On a related note, On tsn.ca, Kelly Fraser makes a strong case for Lapierre getting a misconduct for his bull5hit move in the 6 on 1.
It seems like Vigneault/Gillis have already gotten a bit of the Polian treatment - Lapierre isn't getting a misconduct for leaving the bench (even though Luccic was incorrectly tossed for exactly that on the exact same play) because, hey, the Canucks are the victims here. Add me to the group that would be happy to see their bus blow up.
I dunno. By definition, both teams spent the same amount of time 5 on 5. One team scored three goals, the other didn't score any. I've seen people on SoSH disregard data that didn't fit their own personal narrative; guess I can add this to the examples of that sort of "analysis"
