Assorted Sox Rumors

[MakMan44]

I wasn't really sure where to put this with the 2015 thread closed, but I certainly thought this was worth posting. 
 
https://twitter.com/Alden_Gonzalez/status/542521097422241797
 
#Angels like INF Brock Holt, but #RedSox want too much.

 

[Hank Scorpio]

Jared Carrabis ‏@Jared_Carrabis 2m2 minutes ago
Per @Sean_McAdam, Red Sox and Phillies "have made progress" on a Antonio Bastardo for Sean Coyle trade. Bastardo would replace Miller in BP.
 
Edit to add:
 
Sean McAdam ‏@Sean_McAdam 33s33 seconds ago
RedSox and Phillies are discussing deal involving Antonio Bastardo #RedSoxTalk http://cmcst.sn/Ns0  ”

 

[The Celtbot]

Personally feel that Brock and Craig's upside outweigh anything we'd probably get in return via trade.

 

[John Marzano Olympic Hero]

Personally feel that Brock and Craig's upside outweigh anything we'd probably get in return via trade.

 
Explain please. 
 
Holt is 26-year-old utility man without a position, who after a hot start, cooled off rapidly. You might be right about Craig, but he was dreadful last year and who would you start Craig over? Ramirez? Betts (assuming Mookie wins the RF job, though I'm not sure I want to see Craig in RF full time)? Napoli? Ortiz? 

 

[The Celtbot]

 
Explain please. 
 
Holt is 26-year-old utility man without a position, who after a hot start, cooled off rapidly. You might be right about Craig, but he was dreadful last year and who would you start Craig over? Ramirez? Betts (assuming Mookie wins the RF job, though I'm not sure I want to see Craig in RF full time)? Napoli? Ortiz? 

Holt can play pretty much every position and has put up decent numbers for us.  Unless he is part of a package landing a good starter, I don't see why we would send him somewhere for a spare part.  Craig obviously has hit rock bottom and holds very little value in this market.  Too many unknowns for someone to give up something of any value unless he is part of a larger package of players going somewhere.  If we can't get much for him, I would let him play in Pawtucket to prove himself.  I think we will try to move Victorino, Nava, or Cespedes before these 2 are gone.

 

[John Marzano Olympic Hero]

Holt can play pretty much every position and has put up decent numbers for us.  Unless he is part of a package landing a good starter, I don't see why we would send him somewhere for a spare part.  Craig obviously has hit rock bottom and holds very little value in this market.  Too many unknowns for someone to give up something of any value unless he is part of a larger package of players going somewhere.  If we can't get much for him, I would let him play in Pawtucket to prove himself.  I think we will try to move Victorino, Nava, or Cespedes before these 2 are gone.

 
Craig isn't going to Pawtucket unless it's a rehab stint, so that's not going to happen. But if it did, you would rather him play in Pawtucket than potential get something useful for him? 
 
And you say that Holt "isn't going somewhere for a spare part", but Brock Holt is the definition of a spare part. He doesn't have a position, he had literally one very good half year (first half last year: 327/371/463 and his second half last year: 219/278/27) and after June it was all downhill for this guy. Brock Holt is precisely the person you trade right now so that you can get something of value for him. 
 
No one is going to touch Victorino right now. He played 30 games last year. 

 

[The Celtbot]

 
Craig isn't going to Pawtucket unless it's a rehab stint, so that's not going to happen. But if it did, you would rather him play in Pawtucket than potential get something useful for him? 
 
And you say that Holt "isn't going somewhere for a spare part", but Brock Holt is the definition of a spare part. He doesn't have a position, he had literally one very good half year (first half last year: 327/371/463 and his second half last year: 219/278/27) and after June it was all downhill for this guy. Brock Holt is precisely the person you trade right now so that you can get something of value for him. 
 
No one is going to touch Victorino right now. He played 30 games last year. 

Define useful?  If we could get something of value for him than fine, but I don't think teams are willing to give up something of value for some who apparently is injury prone and only hit .215 last year.  I would rather risk holding on to him for now and seeing if he indeed bounces back to the numbers he put up in the last couple years.  Who knows, maybe Castillo and Betts don't perform this year as expected or someone gets injured.  He has more value here.
 
As for Holt, you need spare parts.  He's also still relatively young and it's hard to find guys that can fill in almost anywhere in the field and do a decent job.  If someone is willing to give us something useful for him than great, but spare parts don't usually net anything other than other spare parts.  We've got plenty of guys in our team that expect to start and probably won't, those are the guys that should be dealt.  Holt will remain a useful bench player and nothing more.

 

[moondog80]

 
No one is going to touch Victorino right now. He played 30 games last year. 

 
I don't think that's entirely true.  What would he get if he were a FA?
 
Corey Hart missed all of 2013 and got 6 mil from the Mariners.  In the three years prior to their lost seasons, Hart had 9.2 WAR in 424 games,  Victorino was 13.8 over 408 games.  So maybe Vic gets close to 10 mil for a year? 

 

[John Marzano Olympic Hero]

Define useful?
 

 
Someone who is not rotting away in Pawtucket, like you suggested, while the Sox are waiting for Craig to "prove himself" .
 

 As for Holt, you need spare parts. 
 

 
No you don't. The definition of SPARE parts are things you don't need any more. 
 

He's also still relatively young and it's hard to find guys that can fill in almost anywhere in the field and do a decent job. 
 

 
No. Actually, a guy who had a career year and still sees his OPS+ as 100 is not someone who's "hard to find". He's pretty much the definition of an average player. 
 

If someone is willing to give us something useful for him than great, but spare parts don't usually net anything other than other spare parts.  We've got plenty of guys in our team that expect to start and probably won't, those are the guys that should be dealt.  Holt will remain a useful bench player and nothing more.
 

 
I have no idea what the bolded means. Are you saying that we should trade our shitty guys for another team's shitty guys? Because that's what you're going to get.
 
And I'm still not sure why you have such an aversion to getting rid of "bench player and nothing more". If you can get bullpen help for Brock Holt, you do that deal in a second. Bench guys like Holt are literally everywhere in major league baseball. Remember Pedro Ciriaco from a few years back? People were falling all over themselves because he had a hot start and played well (BTW, he was also 26-years-old when he had his "good" year in 2012, just like Brock Holt last year). He played 25 games with the Royals this year. 
 
It's not difficult to find the next Brock Holt. 

 

[John Marzano Olympic Hero]

 
I don't think that's entirely true.  What would he get if he were a FA?
 
Corey Hart missed all of 2013 and got 6 mil from the Mariners.  In the three years prior to their lost seasons, Hart had 9.2 WAR in 424 games,  Victorino was 13.8 over 408 games.  So maybe Vic gets close to 10 mil for a year? 

 
You're right, if Victorino was a FA, he probably would be able to get a major league deal. But with his contract ($13M), do you think that anyone is going to trade for Shane Victorino right now?

 

[Rasputin]

JMOH are you joking?

'Cause the notion that Craig would be rotting away if he got sent to Pawtucket is just silly.

 

[grimshaw]

 
Someone who is not rotting away in Pawtucket, like you suggested, while the Sox are waiting for Craig to "prove himself" .
 
 
No you don't. The definition of SPARE parts are things you don't need any more. 
 
 
No. Actually, a guy who had a career year and still sees his OPS+ as 100 is not someone who's "hard to find". He's pretty much the definition of an average player. 
 
 
I have no idea what the bolded means. Are you saying that we should trade our shitty guys for another team's shitty guys? Because that's what you're going to get.
 
And I'm still not sure why you have such an aversion to getting rid of "bench player and nothing more". If you can get bullpen help for Brock Holt, you do that deal in a second. Bench guys like Holt are literally everywhere in major league baseball. Remember Pedro Ciriaco from a few years back? People were falling all over themselves because he had a hot start and played well (BTW, he was also 26-years-old when he had his "good" year in 2012, just like Brock Holt last year). He played 25 games with the Royals this year. 
 
It's not difficult to find the next Brock Holt. 

I'm in the middle, because I think he's worth a set up guy.
Ciriaco isn't really a fair comparison.  He has a career WAR of 0.0 and his "good" year wasn't anything like Holt's. Holt came in a shade under 2.5 last year and had a really good minor league track record (wRC+ of close to 150 between AA and AAA).  His numbers show he has been average to above average defensively at every position which has quite a bit of worth on its own.
 
He's a surplus for the Red Sox, but that doesn't mean he's a spare part (not your words) or couldn't start somewhere on a rebuilding team.
 
 
 

 
You're right, if Victorino was a FA, he probably would be able to get a major league deal. But with his contract ($13M), do you think that anyone is going to trade for Shane Victorino right now?

The Mariners could use an OF who covers a lot of ground and isn't Melky Cabrera.

 

[Savin Hillbilly]

 
Craig isn't going to Pawtucket unless it's a rehab stint, so that's not going to happen.

 
Why? He has an option (two, actually), and he needs to show that he can hit again. Seems like Pawtucket is the logical place for him.

 

[NDame616]

 
Why? He has an option (two, actually), and he needs to show that he can hit again. Seems like Pawtucket is the logical place for him.

I was actually of the opinion that, barring a huge spring, Pawtucket was the most likely landing spot for Craig. Let him hit AAA pitching and get some confidence back and hopefully take the trip up 95....

 

[The Celtbot]

 
Someone who is not rotting away in Pawtucket, like you suggested, while the Sox are waiting for Craig to "prove himself" .
 
 
No you don't. The definition of SPARE parts are things you don't need any more. 
 
 
No. Actually, a guy who had a career year and still sees his OPS+ as 100 is not someone who's "hard to find". He's pretty much the definition of an average player. 
 
 
I have no idea what the bolded means. Are you saying that we should trade our shitty guys for another team's shitty guys? Because that's what you're going to get.
 
And I'm still not sure why you have such an aversion to getting rid of "bench player and nothing more". If you can get bullpen help for Brock Holt, you do that deal in a second. Bench guys like Holt are literally everywhere in major league baseball. Remember Pedro Ciriaco from a few years back? People were falling all over themselves because he had a hot start and played well (BTW, he was also 26-years-old when he had his "good" year in 2012, just like Brock Holt last year). He played 25 games with the Royals this year. 
 
It's not difficult to find the next Brock Holt. 

You ignore the fact that I said he could bounce back from his awful injury plagued season last year.  Instead of giving up on the guy and getting minimal return, we should hold on to him and send him down to Pawtuckett much like we did with WMB last year if need be.
 
Are you trying to debate with me whether we need a couple bench players on the 25 man roster?  Holt is useful because he can pretty much play every position besides pitcher which would help minimize the need for us to overstock our roster with positional players and give us more flexibility in allowing us send off more of our surplus of outfielders. 
 
The bolded means we have too many outfielders as you probably know and we should be focusing on trading them and not a super utility guy.  I wouldn't necessarily say that Nava, Victorino, JBJ, and Cespedes would be considered shitty players.  They would actually be more valuable in trade discussions than Holt and Craig imo.

 

[John Marzano Olympic Hero]

JMOH are you joking?

'Cause the notion that Craig would be rotting away if he got sent to Pawtucket is just silly.

 
I would be shocked if the Red Sox sent Craig to Pawtucket. Allen Craig needs major league at bats, he's not going to get back on track mashing minor leaguers. No major league team would send a guy making $9M this year and $11M next year to the minors, especially if he doesn't have a clear path back to the majors. 
 
Let's play this out, as it stands today. Say Craig does get sent to the PawSox and he starts raking, where are you going to put him? Especially if Betts hits. He can't play left (Ramirez), he can't DH (Ortiz), he can't play 1B (Napoli) and I don't think he's suited for RF (where he's behind Betts, Nava and Victorino). So now the Red Sox are in the same position that they're in now, except they're paying someone $9M to play in Pawtucket. 
 
I'm asking this question because I honestly can't remember, when was the last time any team sent a guy with a contract this big to the minors?
 

Ciriaco isn't really a fair comparison.  He has a career WAR of 0.0 and his "good" year wasn't anything like Holt's. Holt came in a shade under 2.5 last year and had a really good minor league track record (wRC+ of close to 150 between AA and AAA).  His numbers show he has been average to above average defensively at every position which has quite a bit of worth on its own.
 

 
You're probably right about the Ciriaco comp, but my main point was there are always guys like Holt (and to a lesser extent Ciriaco) who come up, set the league on fire for a few months and then inevitably settle back into who they are -- average major leaguers. I'm not trying to drive Brock Holt out of town, but if you could get a live arm for him, I think that you make that move now. Utility guys are always available and I think that CeltBot may be overestimating Holt's worth to the team. 

 

[ivanvamp]

 
I would be shocked if the Red Sox sent Craig to Pawtucket. Allen Craig needs major league at bats, he's not going to get back on track mashing minor leaguers. No major league team would send a guy making $9M this year and $11M next year to the minors, especially if he doesn't have a clear path back to the majors. 
 
Let's play this out, as it stands today. Say Craig does get sent to the PawSox and he starts raking, where are you going to put him? Especially if Betts hits. He can't play left (Ramirez), he can't DH (Ortiz), he can't play 1B (Napoli) and I don't think he's suited for RF (where he's behind Betts, Nava and Victorino). So now the Red Sox are in the same position that they're in now, except they're paying someone $9M to play in Pawtucket. 
 
I'm asking this question because I honestly can't remember, when was the last time any team sent a guy with a contract this big to the minors?

 
But then he becomes a potentially valuable trade asset, as other teams have reason to think that perhaps he's back to being the really good hitter he was a couple of years ago.  Then you've got a really nice piece to move.  That alone would be worth the time spent in AAA.

 

[The Celtbot]

 
You're probably right about the Ciriaco comp, but my main point was there are always guys like Holt (and to a lesser extent Ciriaco) who come up, set the league on fire for a few months and then inevitably settle back into who they are -- average major leaguers. I'm not trying to drive Brock Holt out of town, but if you could get a live arm for him, I think that you make that move now. Utility guys are always available and I think that CeltBot may be overestimating Holt's worth to the team. 

 
If we could get a decent arm for Holt or Holt + other players, I'd do it in a heartbeat.  My point is he is useful to us and unless he can net us an adequate return, he's going to remain with the team.  I'm betting that we won't get the desired return in trading him.

 

[saintnick912]

 
Why? He has an option (two, actually), and he needs to show that he can hit again. Seems like Pawtucket is the logical place for him.

 
It has been more than three years since his first MLB appearance, so he'd have to pass optional assignment waivers to be sent to Pawtucket.  I could see someone returning the Millar favor and claiming him.
 
http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=11361

 

[John Marzano Olympic Hero]

 
But then he becomes a potentially valuable trade asset, as other teams have reason to think that perhaps he's back to being the really good hitter he was a couple of years ago.  Then you've got a really nice piece to move.  That alone would be worth the time spent in AAA.

 
That may be true. 
 
But in reality, how much better of a player are you going to get? Maybe a bump from a C+ prospect to a B- prospect? And that's assuming he hits. If Cherrington's people feel that Craig is done (slow bat, nagging injuries that won't get better) it's probably time to deal him now, especially with that albatross of a contract. 
 
Edit: And like SaintNick said, with his service time he'd have to go through waivers to get to Rhode Island. Would you take the chance of losing him for nothing, if someone offered something remotely useful for him right now?

 

[TheoShmeo]

Victorino and Craig should not be viewed only as standalone trade assets.  The more likely scenario -- and at worst, a possible scenario -- is that they would be included as part of a package.  In that context, they have value, even if they would not be able to bring back a plum asset by themselves.  And both are sunk costs so the Sox could trade them, absorb some of their salaries and still be ahead of the game if they got a good return. 

 

[The Celtbot]

 
It has been more than three years since his first MLB appearance, so he'd have to pass optional assignment waivers to be sent to Pawtucket.  I could see someone returning the Millar favor and claiming him.
 
http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=11361

Killjoy

 

[Mighty Joe Young]

 
That may be true. 
 
But in reality, how much better of a player are you going to get? Maybe a bump from a C+ prospect to a B- prospect? And that's assuming he hits. If Cherrington's people feel that Craig is done (slow bat, nagging injuries that won't get better) it's probably time to deal him now, especially with that albatross of a contract. 
 
Edit: And like SaintNick said, with his service time he'd have to go through waivers to get to Rhode Island. Would you take the chance of losing him for nothing, if someone offered something remotely useful for him right now?

They are revocable ..
But if some team did claim him they would also be taking on the full contract .. Which might be a very good thing.

 

[Hank Scorpio]

 
Alex Speier ‏@alexspeier  42m
42 minutes ago
Mookie Betts is now being represented by Relativity Sports. He had been a Dan Lozano client.

 

 
Alex Speier ‏@alexspeier  3m
3 minutes ago
Correction on Betts' agency change: He moved to Relativity Sports from the Wasserman Group; he'd previously moved from Lozano to Wasserman

 

[Hank Scorpio]

 
Jerry Crasnick @jcrasnick

 · 50m50 minutes ago


Sergio Romo's market is starting to heat up. #Dodgers, #yankees and #redsox all have interest.

 

[The Celtbot]

Rob Bradford of WEEI.com reports that the Orioles have interest in a trade for Red Sox outfielder Yoenis Cespedes.
Nothing is considered imminent, but Bradford writes that it's viewed as a "good fit." It's unclear who the Red Sox could be targeting, but Wei-Yin Chen is a possibility. Like Rick Porcello -- another rumored target -- he will be a free agent after 2015.

 

[Savin Hillbilly]

 
I'm asking this question because I honestly can't remember, when was the last time any team sent a guy with a contract this big to the minors?

 
I honestly don't know the answer, but I'd counter with the question: when was the last time a guy with a contract this big (a) still had options left and (b) sucked as utterly as Craig did in the second half of 2014? It's not going to be the most common situation.
 
I think he has essentially zero trade value until he establishes that whatever was wrong with him last year is behind him. Right now we'd have to trade him for a lottery ticket and still probably eat most of the $.

 

[ivanvamp]

Hmmmm…Chen?  
 
The good:
- At the front end of his prime years
- Improving stats the last three seasons (fip of 4.42, 4.02, 3.89)
- Has played in pressure environments (aka pennant race)
- Lefty
 
The bad:
- At best a #2 pitcher, more like a #3 (not that that's bad, but I'd like a better return for Cespedes)
- On the last year of his contract, so we're back to the old "gotta extend him or let him walk" deal we just went through with Lester
 
Long story short:  Meh.

 

[ivanvamp]

 
That may be true. 
 
But in reality, how much better of a player are you going to get? Maybe a bump from a C+ prospect to a B- prospect? And that's assuming he hits. If Cherrington's people feel that Craig is done (slow bat, nagging injuries that won't get better) it's probably time to deal him now, especially with that albatross of a contract. 
 
Edit: And like SaintNick said, with his service time he'd have to go through waivers to get to Rhode Island. Would you take the chance of losing him for nothing, if someone offered something remotely useful for him right now?

 
If he rakes in AAA and other teams' scouts see that he's physically fine, his value would jump considerably.  Everyone knows that, if he's right, he's an outstanding major league player.  And then his contract would be very good for that kind of player.  He's not an unknown commodity in the majors (very different situation than a prospect, in other words).  He'd be worth a lot more than a B- prospect.
 
That is, of course, IF he rakes in AAA and looks great physically.  
 
If he doesn't….well then…he probably would be getting crushed at the major league level anyway, so it's better for him to suck in Pawtucket.  
 
EDIT:  I can't comment on the waiver stuff, because I don't know how that works.

 

[nvalvo]

Hmmmm…Chen?  
 
The good:
- At the front end of his prime years
- Improving stats the last three seasons (fip of 4.42, 4.02, 3.89)
- Has played in pressure environments (aka pennant race)
- Lefty
 
The bad:
- At best a #2 pitcher, more like a #3 (not that that's bad, but I'd like a better return for Cespedes)
- On the last year of his contract, so we're back to the old "gotta extend him or let him walk" deal we just went through with Lester
 
Long story short:  Meh.

 
I wouldn't be surprised if Ben brings in some SP whom he doesn't try to extend. A year from now: 
 
A) there will be attractive FA SP on the market. 
B) we will know a lot more about our young pitchers. 

 

[The Celtbot]

Jeff Passan of Yahoo Sports hears that the Diamondbacks are close to trading left-hander Wade Miley.

The D-Backs have gotten lots of calls on Miley, with the Red Sox and Marlins among the interested teams. The 28-year-old southpaw posted a 4.34 ERA and 183/75 K/BB ratio in 201 1/3 innings this past season and could benefit by getting out of Arizona. He's arbitration-eligible for the first time this winter.

 

[YTF]

Just caught a bit of talk on MLB Now about a potential Porcello for Cespedes deal. Came in on it late, not sure if it was just talk or if there was more to it. Anyone got anything on this? 

 

[mr_smith02]

A bit ago on MLB Network the panel was discussing a pending potential trade involving the Washington Nationals that "will blow the roof off the winter meetings." No specifics or other teams were named.

Any chance the Sox are somehow involved with this, especially given Luccino flying to San Diego today?

 

[SoxLegacy]

Heard the same thing, but no other specifics. I would think that something that would "blow the roof" off the winter meetings involving the Nats would include Harper or Strasburg.

 

[DJnVa]

A bit ago on MLB Network the panel was discussing a pending potential trade involving the Washington Nationals that "will blow the roof off the winter meetings." No specifics or other teams were named.

Any chance the Sox are somehow involved with this, especially given Luccino flying to San Diego today?

 
Wasn't there another tweet that said Larry Lucchino did NOT fly out there?

 

[mr_smith02]

Wasn't there another tweet that said Larry Lucchino did NOT fly out there?

There may have been...I did not see that. Still, I do wonder if BC is making a move to get Zimmerman or Strasburg and Harper.

 

[DJnVa]

There may have been...I did not see that. Still, I do wonder if BC is making a move to get Zimmerman or Strasburg and Harper.

 
EDIT: Game thread post. There's no Sox talk tied to this.
 
Please delete

 

[Corsi]

Edes reported on Tuesday that the Angels were interested in Brock Holt as shortstop insurance.  Now that they've traded Kendrick, it's clear why they were interested in Holt.
 
Wonder if there's a match there.

 

[Hendu for Kutch]

Edes reported on Tuesday that the Angels were interested in Brock Holt as shortstop insurance.  Now that they've traded Kendrick, it's clear why they were interested in Holt.
 
Wonder if there's a match there.

 
Looks like they've moved on and traded for Josh Rutledge from COL instead.
 
http://www.denverpost.com/rockies/ci_27114439/rockies-trade-josh-rutledge-angels-reliever-jairo-diaz

 

[absintheofmalaise]

Daigo Fujiwara @DaigoFuji

Nikkan Sports in Japan is reporting that #RedSox has contacted FA RHP Kyuji Fujikawa's agent nikkansports.com/baseball/mlb/n… Koji, Taz and Kyuji?
 
Fangraphs page.

 

[boca]

Not sure where to put this -
 
Pete Abraham ‏@PeteAbe  3m3 minutes ago
#redsox just postponed a media session with Ben Cherington. More moves brewing.

 

[RedOctober3829]

Tom ‏@Haudricourt 1m1 minute ago
Very good source told me #Brewers talks with Boston about Allen Craig were initiated by Sox and was never a fit. So, forget about that.
 

 

[Corsi]

Jerry Crasnick ‏@jcrasnick  1m
1 minute ago
Hearing rumblings that the #mariners are closing in on a trade for a hitter.
 
 
I believe there were reports out there that the Mariners were looking at Allen Craig.

 

[threecy]

And you say that Holt "isn't going somewhere for a spare part", but Brock Holt is the definition of a spare part. He doesn't have a position, he had literally one very good half year (first half last year: 327/371/463 and his second half last year: 219/278/27) and after June it was all downhill for this guy. Brock Holt is precisely the person you trade right now so that you can get something of value for him. 

He was horrible while batting with the concussion.
 
He had a hot June (.819 OPS) but was average July (.716 OPS).  His bad August (.598 OPS) certainly wasn't helped by the concussion.  I also recall hearing comments about him being worn down from his first full time big league season (perhaps similar to Xander).

Just because he wasn't a highly touted prospect doesn't mean that he's just a spare part, replacement player.

 

[NDame616]

Have there been rumblings of them being after Craig or Victorino? Or another Boston hitter?

 
I can't imagine the return on Victorino (or Craig for that matter) be anything to get excited about. Maybe a lottery ticket prospect or very low ceiling BP arm. 

 

[OCD SS]

If the M's are looking for RH power in their OF, aren't they more likely to go after Justin Upton?

 

[Hee Sox Choi]

If the M's are looking for RH power in their OF, aren't they more likely to go after Justin Upton?

They are saying it's someone who hasn't been mentioned yet.  Mike Napoli popped in my mind but that would mean believing in Allen Craig, which would be a little scary (backed up by Nava).  Of course, if Victorino were healthy, you could move Hanley to 1B (w/OF of Betts-Rusney-Vic 4th-Nava 5th-Craig).  The more I think about it, I could see it happening, just because you have Nava as a back-up to both positions in case Craig or Victorino can't stay healthy.  
 
I don't think Craig or Victorino are going to bring back anything good.  You might as well let them prove that they are healthy in Spring Training to maximize return.  No big deal waiting til the end of ST.  
 
UPDATE: Looks like the news might be Myers to the M's via a 3-way with SD.  

 

[Fireball Fred]

Agree not much return to be expected for Victorino or Craig before spring training. Victorino is signed for one year; he'll be 34 and is coming off a season when he played 30 games. (Plus, if he's healthy he's probably worth as much to the Sox as to any other team - he plays RF well, and they're not going to over-commit to rookies again.) Craig was just awful last year; the Cards unloaded him and if the Sox do too, that'll count heavily against his value.

I could see the trading Craig now for little return if the object were to balance the roster, but I believe he could be sent to AAA instead.

 

[HomeRunBaker]

They are saying it's someone who hasn't been mentioned yet.  Mike Napoli popped in my mind but that would mean believing in Allen Craig, which would be a little scary (backed up by Nava).  Of course, if Victorino were healthy, you could move Hanley to 1B (w/OF of Betts-Rusney-Vic 4th-Nava 5th-Craig).  The more I think about it, I could see it happening, just because you have Nava as a back-up to both positions in case Craig or Victorino can't stay healthy.  
 
I don't think Craig or Victorino are going to bring back anything good.  You might as well let them prove that they are healthy in Spring Training to maximize return.  No big deal waiting til the end of ST.  
 
UPDATE: Looks like the news might be Myers to the M's via a 3-way with SD.  

This is the value angle I've been waiting for Ben to pull the trigger on. Napoli is the guy who could bring a decent return with a Craig/Nava platoon at 1B having until the deadline to equal his production. This also alleviates the issue of an overcrowded OF.

 

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They are saying it's someone who hasn't been mentioned yet.  Mike Napoli popped in my mind but that would mean believing in Allen Craig, which would be a little scary (backed up by Nava).  Of course, if Victorino were healthy, you could move Hanley to 1B (w/OF of Betts-Rusney-Vic 4th-Nava 5th-Craig).  The more I think about it, I could see it happening, just because you have Nava as a back-up to both positions in case Craig or Victorino can't stay healthy.  
 
I don't think Craig or Victorino are going to bring back anything good.  You might as well let them prove that they are healthy in Spring Training to maximize return.  No big deal waiting til the end of ST.  
 
UPDATE: Looks like the news might be Myers to the M's via a 3-way with SD.  

It appears Seattle isn't involved. The Mariners and Padres need hitting, actually so does Tampa but their in rebuild mode, there would probably need another team to send a bat to the team that doesn't get Myers.
 
http://blogs.seattletimes.com/mariners/2014/12/16/mariners-trade-rumors-swirling/