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A’s propose ‘jewel box’ ballpark for waterfront, Coliseum redevelopment

Discussion in 'MLB Discussion' started by soxhop411, Nov 28, 2018.

  1. soxhop411

    soxhop411 Member SoSH Member

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    This time it might actually happen.


    For information about how they will utilize the old Coliseum site, click the link below..
    https://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea...s-propose-jewel-box-ballpark-for-13426272.php

    https://www.nbcsports.com/bayarea/a...l-stadium-oakland-coliseum-site-redevelopment

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  2. John Marzano Olympic Hero

    John Marzano Olympic Hero has fancy plans, and pants to match Dope

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    I hope that this works out for the Athletics and I'd like them to stay in Oakland.

    Though I have a feeling that if this plan craps out, the A's might be the next franchise that leaves Oaktown.
     
  3. fiskful of dollars

    fiskful of dollars Well-Known Member Gold Supporter SoSH Member

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    Love it! Hope it works out. This 70's A's teams were iconic. Good for baseball to have them relevant in a stadium worthy of MLB.
     
  4. NickEsasky

    NickEsasky Please Hammer, Don't Hurt 'Em SoSH Member

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    Will they be going to the old Cubs model of only playing day games?
     
  5. moondog80

    moondog80 heart is two sizes two small SoSH Member

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    I have no idea if the finances will work, but that looks really cool. A big departure from the Camden Yards model, which has gotten stale with all the clones.
     
  6. Kliq

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    I hope it works out for them, no team should have had to endure playing in that stadium for so long. Oakland has taken a beating with the Raiders and Warriors headed out after this year, but it still strikes me as a good place to have a team; the city has grown by almost 10 percent since 2010 and there should be a good amount of Fortune 500 companies in the area that can pay for suites.
     
  7. InstaFace

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    More seriously, the departure of the Raiders is probably a blessing for this, since the multi-purpose stadium just wasn't working for either side. I hope the Athletics can stay there, there's not a lot that Oakland has over their cross-bay neighbor, and this would keep a lot of pride.
     
  8. E5 Yaz

    E5 Yaz Transcends message boarding Lifetime Member SoSH Member

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    Talk about burying the lede ... they're going to have this ready in time for the 2023 World Series
     
  9. Ale Xander

    Ale Xander Member SoSH Member

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    The land would be better used for a residential development to ease the Bay Area housing prices, IMHO. Contract the Rays and A's (will never happen) and move the Marlins to Orlando.
     
  10. John Marzano Olympic Hero

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    It'll never happen because it's a dumb idea. Why would you contract the A's* and the Rays? There are more than enough major league ready ballplayers in the world and MLB should be thinking about expanding.

    * Especially the A's since they're one of the first AL franchises and have been playing since 1901.
     
  11. SoxJox

    SoxJox Member SoSH Member

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    That top graphic isn't too scale, obviously. Otherwise, those boats/yachts in the harbor are YUGE. Either that, or the players, fans, and park staff will all be nano-scale.

    Anyway, still can't top our lyric little bandbox*

    * with all due respect to Mr. Updike.
     
  12. maufman

    maufman Anderson Cooper x Mr. Rogers Staff Member Dope Gold Supporter

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    If the A’s get the development rights to 166 acres of Bay Area real estate, I have to imagine this will be the richest subsidy ever given to a pro sports team.
     
  13. bohous

    bohous Member SoSH Member

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    Looks like they still value extra foul territory in the IF.
    I'll pile on to say i hope this happens. Interesting design and really like the opening in CF.
     
  14. John Marzano Olympic Hero

    John Marzano Olympic Hero has fancy plans, and pants to match Dope

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    Since you made this post, it's all I can see. Where are the light towers?
     
  15. The_Powa_of_Seiji_Ozawa

    The_Powa_of_Seiji_Ozawa Member SoSH Member

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    I know it isn't what they're proposing, but this is what popped into my head when I saw the proposed design:
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  16. steveluck7

    steveluck7 Member SoSH Member

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    In the last image, it looks like they have a few thousand of them.
    Innovative solution, really. "Light towers? nah, lets just make the fans hold up their phones to light the place"
     
  17. shaggydog2000

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    Yeah, I'd find it hard to believe that the city would give them that much land for free, the value of that has to exceed the cost of building the stadium by a pretty big amount.
     
  18. NickEsasky

    NickEsasky Please Hammer, Don't Hurt 'Em SoSH Member

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    I mean they made a point of showing giant cranes but couldn't throw in a few light banks?
     
  19. koufax32

    koufax32 He'll cry if he wants to... SoSH Member

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    That would qualify as the worst batter’s eye in any level of baseball.
    Other than that minor tweak it looks pretty cool.
     
  20. nvalvo

    nvalvo Well-Known Member Silver Supporter SoSH Member

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    That's how we know the architects are Danes.
     
  21. soxhop411

    soxhop411 Member SoSH Member

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    The A’s tweeted that the batters eye will be RETRACTABLE
     
  22. nvalvo

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    What I read was that they're asking the city to sell them that land. Presumably there would be some sort of subsidy built into the sale price of that site.

    Oh, interesting. So only for day games?
     
  23. Pablo's TB Lover

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    If you notice the cross bar below the screen of the scoreboard, I imagine that would be the top of the retractable eye (sounds like some ballpark demon).
     
  24. Max Power

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    Only for bottoms of innings. It will be the biggest home field advantage in baseball.
     
  25. Winger 03

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    Like Bill Veeck's retractable outfield fence!
     
  26. Spacemans Bong

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    Yeah, I really don't see this getting through the flurry of political controversy and lawsuits for that reason. The A's becoming the biggest property developer in Oakland and building a pretty but probably relatively inexpensive (since glass and concrete are cheaper than brick and steel) park as thanks? Yeah, nobody's going to object to that at all. Even what the Giants did, which was basically just the ballpark with the city owning the land it sits on and building a light rail line down the Embarcadero, would be far more heavily critiqued today.

    Saying this, they've managed to rack up Larry Reid, president of the city council (whose district includes the Coliseum) as a supporter, which is a big get for them as he's been a thorn in any ballpark plan for fifteen years now. It's also possible they are basically coming out with their best case scenario expecting the city to negotiate down the ambition. And I do like preserving the Coliseum bowl as a community space. Say what you want about the place but the Oakland A's and Raiders are arguably THE iconic franchises of the 1970s and that was their home stadium. Six titles between them. Considering Candlestick Park is being redeveloped into homes and a mall with zero public memory of the stadium itself, I am very jealous.
     
  27. Al Zarilla

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    I don't see that KB homes or any other home developer was swooping in to buy that land before somebody liked it for an A's ballpark.

    If the A's move out of the area, it might tip the scales for me moving to San Diego though and have a little further drive to a Red Sox game in Anaheim. It's all about me of course. :)
     
  28. Ale Xander

    Ale Xander Member SoSH Member

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    That's a nicer drive, a nicer ballpark, and nicer people inside. (In my limited experience from 2016)
     
  29. soxhop411

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  30. nvalvo

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    I still really like that waterfront site. On the one hand, it's an industrial (port-related) use nestled between Alameda and some more industrial stuff. But it's also only a few blocks — a half mile or so — from the north side of Jack London square. So that brings good restaurants and amenities, it brings an Amtrak Capital Corridor train station. It has the 880 freeway. It has the ferry terminal.

    You'd probably want to run ballpark buses to BART stations, because that's maybe a 30 minute walk. (Or, if you can talk the relevant authorities into it, build another downtown BART station at Castro or Market, just two or three blocks away).
     
  31. Minneapolis Millers

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    Geez, not to be a killjoy, but even the updated rendering looks hideous to me. I don't get the roof top garden-like thingy (which looks like it has about a 30% grade - people are going to be walking or wheel-chairing up and down that??). And it doesn't seem to embrace the waterfront particularly well. Also, 34,000 is too small. I know it's Oakland, but still.
     
  32. edoug

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    II think it looks pretty cool but to be near the water and not have a view is kind of odd. And it does look like a roller coaster. A really awesome roller coaster but still. Plus practically no bleachers. Not that it's hard to remedy.
     
  33. The_Powa_of_Seiji_Ozawa

    The_Powa_of_Seiji_Ozawa Member SoSH Member

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    Where are the nuclear wessels?
     
  34. santadevil

    santadevil Well-Known Member Silver Supporter SoSH Member

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    They forgot to add in all the posts that will need to be installed so the netting can be put up too
     
  35. Ford Frick's Asterisk

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    Or a center field fence and non-white batter's eye. It can't be considered a particularly detailed or realistic rendering.

    *
     
  36. Spacemans Bong

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    Anybody who has been to Wahconah Park should understand why the park isn't facing the waterfront.
     
  37. Lose Remerswaal

    Lose Remerswaal Leaves after the 8th inning Lifetime Member SoSH Member

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    Excellent point
     
  38. Max Power

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    Because baseball parks must face northeast or else the hitters will be blinded by the sun and killed by pitches?
     
  39. Spacemans Bong

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    Well, not due west at any rate.

    It's a rectangular plot of land, so the ballpark can either face east or west. Note where the first picture above places the setting sun.

    I suspect wind was another concern, if Pac Bell Park is any guide. The reason it faces eastwards away from downtown San Francisco is a quarter-turn to the west, framing the Bay Bridge and all of downtown, would have given it more wind than Candlestick Park. Wind blows southwest in Oakland, so you'd have a very unhappy 3rd base grandstand for a game. Put the stadium facing the other direction and it hits the exterior.
     

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