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Discussion in 'College Sports' started by Was (Not Wasdin), Sep 26, 2017.
Pitino knew of bribery scandal, indictment says http://es.pn/2zphPT2
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Well, this is gonna get fun: https://sports.yahoo.com/sources-co...hes-top-programs-lottery-picks-224417174.html
"Lottery picks won't be eligible to play" means "guys who are likely lottery picks in the NBA won't be able to play college ball," correct? Sloppy writing by Thamel. I don't see anything in the article that suggests that current NBA players could be in trouble for taking $ when they were collegians.
Man do I hope this entirely blows up college hoops and the NCAA. Anything that results in schools starting to pay players in the revenue-drawing sports is a good thing - enough is enough.
It’s a quote, not his writing, but I read it the same way, so perhaps it’s not confusing.
Everyone had to assume something major like this was coming, right? I just can't see a reality where these top recruits are not getting something extra under the table. Brian Bowen, who was the centerpiece of the Louisville scandal, was the 19th ranked player in his class; and he was getting $100,000 to go to Louisville. If he is getting $100k, how much is Bagley, or Ayton or Porter getting? I find it hard to believe Bowen was the only top recruit that was getting $100k from Adidas; especially when those guys are more likely to become superstar players that actually sell shoes.
So, if the article is correct and “nearly half” of the first top 16 teams will be mentioned, including “HoF coaches,” who are we talking about here?
HoF coaches: K, Self, Roy, Izzo...Wright? I think we can safely assume the first three all pay players as they all consistently get top kids. Self should be in jail. Roy’s program has been dirty for 20 years. And K is the biggest hypocrite alive. We now know Izzo is not a saint post Nassar. Wright? Has three top 50 recruits this year, must be paying kids.
Looking at the rest of the top 16. I think every SEC and B12 and ACC and pac12 team is suspicious. Arizona is already known. Tennessee cheats at everything. Oklahoma too. Auburn of course. Clemson and Ohio state? Cmon, of course. Look at their football programs. Texas Tech??? This is a ranked team? They must be cheating
Maybe not UVA, although what kid would actually want to play 42-38 games unless they were being paid?
So that leaves Purdue, Xavier, Cincinnati...
Please note sarcasm. But this investigation will probably lead to the P5 school’s creating their own business model away from NCAA.
Calipari? Boeheim? Pitino is gone now but is presumably still part of this investigation.
I would love to see the NCAA taken down over this, but I think it may be wishful thinking to expect more bombshells from this case. The key line is at the end of the first paragraph:
If the Feds don't have enough evidence to announce any additional arrests, they're not going to release raw FBI files to the public. Or the NCAA. So color me skeptical.
As an aside, the entire Yahoo article read like a tabloid story, with splashy claims and bombshell proclamations but little-to-no substance.
I for one can't wait to see what Roy offered this year's junior class.
"We have here that you offered Kenny Williams a 25% off coupon to Belk and Luke Maye 3 free pork chop biscuits at Biscuitville".
This shows a stunning lack of understanding of how it all works. The top guys that K gets are getting the shoe contract anyway because they are the #1/2/3 studs and because they are getting the national attention of playing 25 games a year on TV at Duke. They don't need to be paid to attend the best program (Duke). Being blessed by receiving an offer to Duke is the payment itself.
If this all goes down, the NCAA should rerun the brackets from the last 20 years, eliminating any teams that were cheating, and pass along any teams that were not cheating to the next round, and see who the resulting champion is (or assign co-champions if two teams make it to the Final Four that were not cheating).
It's only natural to presume this will result in Duke with about 12-15 national championships and K surpassing Wooden. Order is restored.
Yeah those cheating bastards from Lehigh and Mercer need to get punished.
If Brad Brownell is working with shoe companies to pay middle-of-the-road three stars then he is more inept than I had thought.
So Calipari and Kentucky are clean, too. Good to know...thanks
Its laughable to think any show buying kid cares about anyone on Duke besides Allen and Bagley. Or ayton at AZ. Or Trae Young. And every game is on TV, so the value-add of going to the big programs is hardly for exposure. And at Duke, it certainly isn't for the co-eds...
Well we know that's not true because he has been caught a few times before
Platek, Manley, Huffman, and Brooks got coupons for Cookout but have to drive to a city with one first.
If the NCAA really gets this information, they seriously won't know what to do with it.
The NCAA can't investigate its way out of a paper bag. They are pathetic. There are hundreds of people working in that building and I have no idea what they do. I have some experience with them on the defense side, of which I can't say more, but the most likely outcome here is that some moron in Indy with a highlighter will go through tens of thousands of pages of documents and find any names he recognizes, and then they'll over-react, unless the ACC heavyweights are implicated. In which case, they'll probably spend millions to hire someone with actual forensic chops to write a report that they then will not understand and will over-react to.
Based on who gets sanctioned I'd guess half those people are looking for 'student athletes' who get paid to sign autographs or appear at shows for money. You know, the REALLY big stuff like that.
Roger Goodell is destined to run the NCAA someday and unify the corrupt titan hacks of wastitude into a single entity
Louisville has to vacate the 2013 natty
Does that mean I retroactively win the 2013 NCAA Pool that was run out of here?
Beat Duke in elite 8. Louisville then got to play #9 Witchita State LOL and a #4 seed Michigan for the title.
plus return all conference revenue sharing money from NCAA appearances 2012-2015
I was at that game. I saw it with my own two eyes! I guess I need to erase the outcome from my memory.
This will eventually turn out like the Tour de France where they strip the winner and next 50 guys are also nailed for doping. So some program from East Whatever State will end up national champs for the past 2 decades.
None of them are innocent I tell ya. Even at East Whatever, they were handing out bottomless popcorn and endless soda tricks.
And then there was that one time the same coach bought his star player a bagel.
It wasn't the bagel, it's when he added the cream cheese that pushed it over the edge.
As an Auburn grad I gotta say I am not climbing on the bandwagon despite the top ten rating this year. Surely this whole season will be vacated once they nail Pearl.
and if anyone thinks Duke is above getting caught isn't paying attention, its a crap shoot...Coach K may have no clue that some random booster has been buying players dinners and giving them a couple of bucks to go on dates.
The NCAA is a self-serving joke. UNC has a fake academic program for decades and nothing. Other programs do nickel/dime infractions and they lose scholarships (which hurts kids).
This is an FBI investigation with federal indictments for bribery conspiracy, solicitation of bribes, honest services fraud conspiracy, honest service fraud, conspiracy to commit wire fraud and Travel Act conspiracy. The U.S. Department of Justice said each of the 4 coaches already faces a maximum sentence of 80 years in prison. There will be HOF coaches going to prison......the NCAA isn't going to have to do squat.
If I had to guess, of the top schools Bill Self is at the top of the list with his Adidas connections along with Larranaga in Miami and Gottfried at NC State. There obv are a ton more.
My guess is that in the volumes and volumes of information that the FBI has accumulated, there is plenty there that a competent investigator genuinely interested in determining whether amateurism rules have been violated could use and develop. The major crimes and big indictments will be easy, but there will be a ton of information about things that were not illegal, or perhaps illegal but not worthy of prosecution, that nevertheless could amount to significant NCAA rules violations. The NCAA will have no idea what to do with all that.
That head-scratching NCAA decision was based on the fact that non-athletes could enroll in the fake classes. Would the same work with recruiting violations? If a Duke booster is paying players behind Coach K's back, would it not be an infraction if the booster is also handing out money to prospective physics and chemistry majors?
That was the takeaway from the UN-CH(eat) scam. If you make the scam even bigger, you can get away with it by claiming it "wasn't just athletics!"
Or else, the NCAA will know exactly what to do with it---shred their copy and deny the existence of any of the information.
Not to pick on any program in particular. Why the outrage now? Nobody remembers Sam Gilbert? John Wooden is idolized.
This is a good question. I was going to sign up to be one of the PhD student tutors for Duke freshmen athletes, but couldn't because I was going to be gone for research this Spring semester. I was hoping to get some sweet booster money to fund my plant research. I don't even need a sports car or ipad, just some soil moisture probes... Kidding aside, my friend is actually one of those tutors and legitimately helps her freshmen football DB study for Biology and Chemistry tests. I actually think from an academic perspective it would be fun and rewarding to work with one of these student athletes, especially if you got a somewhat academically motivated one (or maybe a flat-earther one-and-done player could be interesting too). They try to give them continuity with having someone work with them for a full academic year and help them set academic goals.
It will be interesting to see this all play out. The NCAA certainly could use a spark for some reform.
I used to argue with my friends about this all the time. So many were so bitter that they got help and said they shouldn’t get it.
I wanted more people to get it—albeit structured to move them towards working independently which the athletic programs tend not to have.
The FBI didn't conduct a 2-year investigation back in the Wooden days. I think the "outrage" is more people who are sitting back with popcorn waiting for the movie to begin. It should be a good one too.
Are the sums of money even comparable, to say nothing of the issues involving sports gambling and the concern with corruption there?
Sports gambling, certainly. That one dates to 1919, and if you don't believe me (which is obviously outside the boundaries of the possible), spend a day or two reading through state-by-state regulations, sir.
Maybe this leads to the end of the1 and done era, creating a plethora of studs in the 2019 draft...
The Kings are dead, long live the Celtics 2019 pick!
Given that there is not a single HOF coach under indictment, I have my doubts.
More details, including copies of spreadsheets: https://sports.yahoo.com/exclusive-...g-high-profile-players-schools-103338484.html
Other names like Fultz and Kuzma pop up.
“And we will all go down....together”
Expect K, Roy and Izzo to retire. Their all old anyways. Cal will take a pro job. Etc.
Understand that once FBI has reason, they’ll start subpoenaing bank records. Then it will expand to others who paid Mom and whomever else off.
This might be Texas' new AD's opportunity to replace Shaka Smart. Texas has been meeting since learing of this earlier this week about the future of the program (note: it's a colossal tire fire already).
And what is the specific allegation?
Oh wait there isn’t anything in that article that you’re oopsing
Here’s the full article:
Read up. “Duke” is being used as clickbait
Wendell Carter is listed on there so not so much Duke clickbait.
As noted above, Wendell Carter is one of the players named as receiving improper benefits. It's not hard to realize that he's the tip of the iceberg.
Your smug condescension here reminds me of your prediction in the Hurricane Sandy game thread, where you pronounced the storm to be a big nothingburger for NYC right before the surge hit.