Anthony Davis: No Loyalty

[Cellar-Door]

He won’t need to sit out. Just have his agent put out there that he won't sign an extension with anyone but LA. Is any other team going to give up what it will take to have Davis for 1.5 years? There could be, but it will give most teams pause.

Paul George and his agent basically did this and it didn't matter. NO probably waits until the summer to maximize possible return. Interesting wrinkle is that if he is traded anywhere but LAL then the Lakers have to decide whether they are confident enough in him coming to LA to sit out another summer of FA in hopes he doesn't pull a Paul George. 2 wasted years of LeBron is a tough sell.

 

[bankshot1]

If the Pels want to max their return, they have to wait to get the Celts in on the bidding. And if AD sits, BFD, they'll suck for 3 more months, get a better draft pick.

 

[lexrageorge]

I think it's fair to assume that the chances of LeBron running into a serious injury with an extended recovery time does increase as he ages. For example, I would not expect him to recovery quickly from a popped Achilles or a freak ACL injury at age 37. There is nothing anyone can do about that. But that chance is always there to some extent with any player, as Celtics fans are painfully aware.

Barring such an injury, however, I'm with @HomeRunBaker in feeling that LeBron will likely continue to be elite for at least a couple of more seasons, and possibly longer.

 

[Devizier]

Kuzma, Ingram, Zubac, and a couple future (likely late) first round picks enough?

If everyone else stays away, maybe. But that is a horrible return.

 

[Devizier]

I think people are underestimating the "field" here. No one had the Raptors pegged for Leonard this summer, and you have to imagine some peripheral contenders will try to do something creative to get Davis on board.

But let's assume the Celtics are in this summer; if Horford opts out, how do they match? I don't see any way without Hayward and I'm not sure the Pelicans would be interested.

 

[HowBoutDemSox]

If everyone else stays away, maybe. But that is a horrible return.

Doesn’t work from a salary standpoint, anyways, needs some ballast. Add Lonzo and Lance Stephenson’s expiring and it works, at least from a dollars perspective.

 

[the moops]

I think people are underestimating the "field" here. No one had the Raptors pegged for Leonard this summer, and you have to imagine some peripheral contenders will try to do something creative to get Davis on board.

But let's assume the Celtics are in this summer; if Horford opts out, how do they match? I don't see any way without Hayward and I'm not sure the Pelicans would be interested.

Tatum + Baynes + sign and traded Morris (or Rozier)

 

[Reggie's Racquet]

Of course, but the assets that could get us Davis in the offseason aren't going to be dealt in-season this year so the 2 routes don't really get in each other's way.

Very true but the whole thing could be a massive distraction. We need this team to focus on this year where they have a legitimate chance of winning the whole thing.

 

[Jimbodandy]

I think it's fair to assume that the chances of LeBron running into a serious injury with an extended recovery time does increase as he ages. For example, I would not expect him to recovery quickly from a popped Achilles or a freak ACL injury at age 37. There is nothing anyone can do about that. But that chance is always there to some extent with any player, as Celtics fans are painfully aware.

Barring such an injury, however, I'm with @HomeRunBaker in feeling that LeBron will likely continue to be elite for at least a couple of more seasons, and possibly longer.

Agreed with both of you.

He may not recover as quickly as a 25yo Lebron from injury. Also I'd argue that his age brings physiology that is more susceptible to things like this groin pull, Achilles, bone spurs, cartilage issues, etc. He is already on the big side (gross weight, not fat obviously). His risk is increased.

But despite the miles and years on his body, he really is a tank. He doesn't have a bad injury history. I'm not sure what about his play has given anyone reason to start posting "father time is undefeated" stuff at this point. He's 34, not 38.

 

[Sam Ray Not]

 

[moondog80]

Any rumors where he is not saying "I want the Lakers" are good news. Because if he does not take that position, he will be a Celtic.

 

[CreedBratton]

Very true but the whole thing could be a massive distraction. We need this team to focus on this year where they have a legitimate chance of winning the whole thing.

Sadly, the Celtics don’t have any chance to win this year. Going on the road for 2 straight series just to get to the finals. No one does against the warriors. Speaking of them, is this their ultimate move? Klay + Draymond & KD stays for the best big 3 ever? Gulp

 

[DJnVa]

LOL

 

[the moops]

Kanter, Knox, Ntilikina, 2019 top 4 pick works

 

[DJnVa]

Kanter, Knox, Ntilikina, 2019 top 4 pick works

ESPN Trade machine says that bumps them up 8 wins--in other words you're devaluing the pick you're trading for if you make that during season, so of course they won't. And in the off-season that offer is nowhere near what Boston could offer.

 

[moondog80]

ESPN Trade machine says that bumps them up 8 wins--in other words you're devaluing the pick you're trading for if you make that during season, so of course they won't. And in the off-season that offer is nowhere near what Boston could offer.

I could see it if they wait until after the season and the pick falls in the top one.

 

[the moops]

ESPN Trade machine says that bumps them up 8 wins--in other words you're devaluing the pick you're trading for if you make that during season, so of course they won't. And in the off-season that offer is nowhere near what Boston could offer.

I don't know if adding Davis to the team minus what would go out would change their win total all that much

 

[DJnVa]

This is interesting: http://www.celticslife.com/2019/01/getting-around-rose-rule-for-celtics-to.html

 

[RedOctober3829]

The timing of Anthony Davis’ trade request caught Pelicans officials by surprise, but New Orleans officials have been preparing for this since the moment he signed with Rich Paul. They knew the writing was on the wall.

But New Orleans dealing Anthony Davis before the trade deadline is far from guaranteed. Pels are fully aware Boston harbors greatest stock of assets and are hoping Celtics call to discuss frameworks of potential offseason trades with which NOLA can compare incoming rivals offers.

 

[nighthob]

This is interesting: http://www.celticslife.com/2019/01/getting-around-rose-rule-for-celtics-to.html

Gawdammit. Now I'll spend the next week and a half lusting after an AD to Boston now trade.

 

[BaseballJones]

Sadly, the Celtics don’t have any chance to win this year. Going on the road for 2 straight series just to get to the finals. No one does against the warriors. Speaking of them, is this their ultimate move? Klay + Draymond & KD stays for the best big 3 ever? Gulp

Draymond + Klay + first round pick (which won't have much value but still) for AD + E'Twaun Moore. Works for salary purposes. Moore kinda sorta replaces Klay.

 

[lars10]

Sadly, the Celtics don’t have any chance to win this year. Going on the road for 2 straight series just to get to the finals. No one does against the warriors. Speaking of them, is this their ultimate move? Klay + Draymond & KD stays for the best big 3 ever? Gulp

I'm confused.. are you saying the three above are the best big 3 ever? without Curry? Just want to understand your overall point.

 

[BigSoxFan]

I'm confused.. are you saying the three above are the best big 3 ever? without Curry? Just want to understand your overall point.

Think he’s saying Dray/Klay for AD and then AD joins KD and Curry to make the best big 3 ever.

 

[Big John]

The question is whether or not Davis will sign an extension with whichever team acquires him.

 

[lars10]

Think he’s saying Dray/Klay for AD and then AD joins KD and Curry to make the best big 3 ever.

Thanks.

 

[Devizier]

Draymond + Klay + first round pick (which won't have much value but still) for AD + E'Twaun Moore. Works for salary purposes. Moore kinda sorta replaces Klay.

Why does NOP do it? Their best three players would be 28 years old. That basically guarantees a short run of low lottery mediocrity and then another rebuild. If they move Davis they are blowing it up.

 

[Jeff Van GULLY]

I think it's more like they trade Rozier in a S-and-T than trade Smart. Pels need a true PG with Payton due to be a FA.

 

[BaseballJones]

Why does NOP do it? Their best three players would be 28 years old. That basically guarantees a short run of low lottery mediocrity and then another rebuild. If they move Davis they are blowing it up.

I can't read the minds of anyone in the NBA so I can't speak for their rationale. I just was following up on someone else's suggestion. And the reality is, they'd be getting back two in-their-prime all-stars with humongous winning pedigree.

Again, not my idea, but like 99.9% of the ideas floated out there around here, it's not likely to happen.

 

[CreedBratton]

I can't read the minds of anyone in the NBA so I can't speak for their rationale. I just was following up on someone else's suggestion. And the reality is, they'd be getting back two in-their-prime all-stars with humongous winning pedigree.

Again, not my idea, but like 99.9% of the ideas floated out there around here, it's not likely to happen.

Yeah that’s what I meant above Draymond & Klay for AD. AD + Curry + KD.

There is a lot of thought that the pelicans don’t/can’t bottom out because there is a real chance the franchise folds sooner rather then later. No one goes to their games now, they are certainly not gonna go with a bunch of young guys without a star. Getting guys like Klay + Draymond would keep people in their seats. I highly doubt the Warriors would do that to those guys tho.

 

[BigSoxFan]

Why does NOP do it? Their best three players would be 28 years old. That basically guarantees a short run of low lottery mediocrity and then another rebuild. If they move Davis they are blowing it up.

In theory, they could spin those guys for better rebuilding assets. Problem is neither is signed for much longer and Draymond is such a unique player to value. Realistically, AD ain’t going to Golden State although that would be the ultimate F U trade to LeBron and the Lakers.

 

[RedOctober3829]

I think the chances for Boston getting AD hinge on the status of the Memphis pick. If the pick ends up conveying as unprotected in 2021, that may be the tipping point for NOP.

 

[DJnVa]

I think the chances for Boston getting AD hinge on the status of the Memphis pick. If the pick ends up conveying as unprotected in 2021, that may be the tipping point for NOP.

How will they know how it conveys in 2021 this summer?

 

[nighthob]

I think the chances for Boston getting AD hinge on the status of the Memphis pick. If the pick ends up conveying as unprotected in 2021, that may be the tipping point for NOP.

New Orleans has no way of knowing that in time. All they'll know is whether or not it conveys this year. It's better for Boston that it doesn't. Because a future lottery pick is really valuable.

 

[Jed Zeppelin]

New Orleans has no way of knowing that in time. All they'll know is whether or not it conveys this year. It's better for Boston that it doesn't. Because a future lottery pick is really valuable.

I've seen people throw around Philly's Miami pick as being this uber-valuable piece from the moment they acquired it, but I don't think it even comes close to the Memphis pick. Non-destination team clearly on a downturn and getting worse vs. Miami/Riley/Spoelstra and mostly clear books leading up to when they owe the pick. As far as I know, that's the only "owed" pick that would come even close to what the Cs can offer but I think it has been inflated since day one.

 

[Sam Ray Not]

The Pels would have no interest in a 32-game rental of Klay, nor would the Warriors have any interest in blowing up a team with a 63% title shot (per 538) 32 games before the playoffs. You can basically strike Klay off the list; and Draymond plus whatever other assets they can scrounge together obviously doesn't get it done. If we're talking about just this season, I actually think the Warriors as constructed are straight up better with Draymond than they would be with AD (though obviously they'd make that trade in a heartbeat this summer or any time thereafter).

I mean, I've seen rumors that Lacob and Myers have been eyeing AD for a while, but I think you can say that about the front offices of every NBA team. For now I don't see even a semi-plausible path to landing him in the Bay Area.

 

[DeJesus Built My Hotrod]

The Pels would have no interest in a 32-game rental of Klay, nor would the Warriors have any interest in blowing up a team with a 63% title shot (per 538) 32 games before the playoffs. You can basically strike Klay off the list; and Draymond plus whatever other assets they can scrounge together obviously doesn't get it done. If we're talking about just this season, I actually think the Warriors as constructed are straight up better with Draymond than they would be with AD (though obviously they'd make that trade in a heartbeat this summer or any time thereafter).

I mean, I've seen rumors that Lacob and Myers have been eyeing AD for a while, but I think you can say that about the front offices of every NBA team. For now I don't see even a semi-plausible path to landing him in the Bay Area.

Curry, Iguodala and Looney for Holiday and AD works in terms of salaries.


:ducks

 

[RedOctober3829]

New Orleans has no way of knowing that in time. All they'll know is whether or not it conveys this year. It's better for Boston that it doesn't. Because a future lottery pick is really valuable.

How will they know how it conveys in 2021 this summer?

I thought if it didn't convey this year it automatically went to unprotected in '21. I didn't see it was top 6 next year. Carry on.

 

[nighthob]

I've seen people throw around Philly's Miami pick as being this uber-valuable piece from the moment they acquired it, but I don't think it even comes close to the Memphis pick. Non-destination team clearly on a downturn and getting worse vs. Miami/Riley/Spoelstra and mostly clear books leading up to when they owe the pick. As far as I know, that's the only "owed" pick that would come even close to what the Cs can offer but I think it has been inflated since day one.

I'm with you on this, sooner or later the Heat are going to land someone and turn that pick into a mid first rounder.

 

[edoug]

New Orleans has no way of knowing that in time. All they'll know is whether or not it conveys this year. It's better for Boston that it doesn't. Because a future lottery pick is really valuable.

The Celtics can't trade for Davis until July. Unless they trade Irving.

 

[DeJesus Built My Hotrod]

The Celtics can't trade for Davis until July. Unless they trade Irving.

And once again, NO won't trade for Irving unless he commits to staying. So an AD for Kyrie swap isn't really a possibility.

 

[nighthob]

The Celtics can't trade for Davis until July. Unless they trade Irving.

Thank you Captain Obvious for stating what has been discussed approximately 10,732,489 times already in this thread.

EDIT: Including the person that posted the article pointing out that the NBA has made an exception to the rule before.

 

[DeJesus Built My Hotrod]

Thank you Captain Obvious for stating what has been discussed approximately 10,732,489 times already in this thread.

EDIT: Including the person that posted the article pointing out that the NBA has made an exception to the rule before.

Eh, its fine. This thread is getting plenty of eyeballs that belong to folks who, unlike you and me, dont nerd out on NBA minutiae.

 

[Ale Xander]

Yeah that’s what I meant above Draymond & Klay for AD. AD + Curry + KD.

There is a lot of thought that the pelicans don’t/can’t bottom out because there is a real chance the franchise folds sooner rather then later. No one goes to their games now, they are certainly not gonna go with a bunch of young guys without a star. Getting guys like Klay + Draymond would keep people in their seats. I highly doubt the Warriors would do that to those guys tho.

Pelicans' best move is trade and sell/move IMHO.

 

[nighthob]

Eh, its fine. This thread is getting plenty of eyeballs that belong to folks who, unlike you and me, dont nerd out on NBA minutiae.

Even without the minutiae he doesn't seem to grasp that July 2019 comes before May 2020 (when the pick's final conveyance will be known).

 

[OnWisc]

If you define the market for AD as non-lottery clubs (taking into account AD's desire to win and the (un)likelihood of a lottery team trading away valuable picks for a rental), does anyone in the market aside from Philly or Boston own someone else's first rounder?

I feel like the Lakers come up with their best offer now - one that includes Ball - rather than sit on a some Kuzma/Ingram/late first rounder package that might draw additional teams into the market this summer willing to top that even for a rental. To me, it's too easy for NO to walk away from that package, especially knowing that it'll be on the table until the trade deadline a year from now.

 

[nighthob]

Honestly the Lakers godfather offer is pretty stinky. The best player they have to offer is Kuzma, whose upside seems to be other guy on a team with two all stars. And not a really good one of those to boot. Ball looks like an injury prone version of that player as well.

At this point Brandon Ingram has shown no inclination to play defense and no ability to play offense the way the game is played these days. And his offense is flat out terrible unless he's the focal point, only he's not even remotely good enough to justify that role. Despite the Durant v2.0 hype coming out he looks like his upside is crack whore's DeMar DeRozan.

As of today, not only is Jaylen Brown a much better player than Ingram, he has a lot more upside as well.

 

[DeadlySplitter]

Problem is he’s going to get there now. Danny did pretty much everything right, and we get fucked over with the Hayward injury and Davis and LeBron pulling a power play. This is why the NBA is the worst of the four leagues. The players run it.

This is pretty much all that needs to be said today.

 

[bosockboy]

My biggest concern is Demps. He's a poor GM and am afraid he will cave to the intense pressure applied to him by Rich Paul and Magic.

 

[nighthob]

"Just spoke to someone close to Anthony Davis about today's news.

Their thoughts: "It's just time for him to make that move. He always wanted to give everything he had to the organization. He feels like putting the request out now is his way of doing right by them."

 

[Red Averages]

"Just spoke to someone close to Anthony Davis about today's news.

Their thoughts: "It's just time for him to make that move. He always wanted to give everything he had to the organization. He feels like putting the request out now is his way of doing right by them."

This makes sense. If they can get something done in the next week, great, you give them more leverage. If you can't, it goes to the summer when their leverage is decreased, but at least you gave them the option.