Angels trade Hamilton to TEX
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Bill Shaikin @BillShaikin 40s40 seconds ago
Hearing trade could be Hamilton for cash considerations, no other players. Still fluid.
Hearing trade could be Hamilton for cash considerations, no other players. Still fluid.
Jon Heyman @JonHeymanCBS 18s18 seconds ago
The hamilton to Texas deal has been agreed to. A few ancillary things left to be worked out only.
The hamilton to Texas deal has been agreed to. A few ancillary things left to be worked out only.
Jeff Passan @JeffPassan 41s41 seconds ago
Sources: Rangers are expected to pay around $15M of Josh Hamilton's salary. He's due more than $80M through 2017. Angels pay the difference.
Sources: Rangers are expected to pay around $15M of Josh Hamilton's salary. He's due more than $80M through 2017. Angels pay the difference.
There's a solid enough chance Hamilton is worth $15M over the next 3 seasons. I think this is a good deal for Texas, so long as they utilize him properly and don't try to put him in CF again or anything.
What a mess LAAA is - f them indeed.
They have $113 million tied up next year between Pujols, Hamilton, Trout, Weaver and CJ Wilson, and they are only going to be getting $5 million or so back on Hamilton, and not have his bat either (he could bounce back in Texas, who knows). Then Aybar at $8.5 million and a bunch of guys going to either free agency or the second year of arbitration, so their payroll is going to be a mess - either it goes up significantly in 2016 or they are not going to be making significant adds/letting key young guys go, and then in 2017 Weaver and Wilson are FAs...
They have $113 million tied up next year between Pujols, Hamilton, Trout, Weaver and CJ Wilson, and they are only going to be getting $5 million or so back on Hamilton, and not have his bat either (he could bounce back in Texas, who knows). Then Aybar at $8.5 million and a bunch of guys going to either free agency or the second year of arbitration, so their payroll is going to be a mess - either it goes up significantly in 2016 or they are not going to be making significant adds/letting key young guys go, and then in 2017 Weaver and Wilson are FAs...
I'm very happy for Hamilton in this situation. Hopefully he'll regain the fans' love and keep himself clean. I want him to go 0-25 against us this season, but would love to see him hit 45 HR against everyone else and really rub it in LAAAAA's face.
It was pretty bad. I have a ton of Facebook friends who are Rangers fans and they were pretty hateful when he left. Tonight I had a friend who is a season ticket holder say they won't go to a game until he is gone.Van Everyman said:
"“Texas, especially Dallas, has always been a football town. The good with the bad is they’re supportive, but they also got a little spoiled at the same time, pretty quickly. You can understand a really true, true baseball town. There’s true baseball fans in Texas but it’s not a true baseball town.” - Josh HamiltonVan Everyman said:
This was taken a bit out of context probably but the Texas fans were pissed he pissed on them while in LA.
Rangers fans also felt he owed them because they took a chance on him when he was down and out.
Of course that's bullshit since they only took the chance because he had tons of upside and they could dump him for nothing.
Of course that's bullshit since they only took the chance because he had tons of upside and they could dump him for nothing.
Meh, if he hits they'll love him again. You think anyone in Cleveland is fondly remembering that time they burned their Lebron jerseys?
It wasn't even the Rangers that took a chance on him. It was the Reds. The Rangers just traded for him after his rookie year.Cellar-Door said:
Pretty much this. I find it slightly ironic that he and his camp burned that bridge with Texas when they left like the Bride on The River Kwai. A slight bit awkward for them to be headed back to Texas but yeah, good for him and the Angels. Wasn't gonna work.Yaz4Ever said:
Van Everyman said:
It wasn't really ugly by Boston standards, but it was somewhat acrimonious.
My recollection was that by the end of his last season, the Rangers from office - and especially Nolan Ryan - were tired of dealing with Hamilton and all the issues he brought with him. After Hamilton left, Ryan issued a statement where he blamed Hamilton's tailspin at the end of the 2012 season on his decision to quit chewing tobacco, and he essentially branded Hamilton as putting himself above the team for doing so.
This is just one of a litany of complaints that began to leak out into the press after Hamilton left. I think they were just exhausted with the circus by that point.
Worth noting that Ryan is gone, so maybe that's a better environment right there.
http://espn.go.com/dallas/mlb/story/_/id/8490251/josh-hamilton-waited-quit-chewing-tobacco
Bigpupp said:
To a great extent, I recall fans taking their cue from Ryan back in 2012. But fans will come back around so long as Hamilton performs. If he doesn't, he'll have a long three years.
Of course, if it's true that the Rangers are only paying about $5 million per year, Hamilton is likely to be a huge bargain for them. It's a hard mountain to climb, but Arte Moreno may have proven himself to be the dumbest owner in baseball with the signing, trashing and disposing of Hamilton.
Texas is getting a huge bargain and I think this is a great deal for them. if he is done then it is only $15 million loss which they can absorb. However, he seemed to do well (support-wise) while there and if he has some talent left he can be a fine hitter and hurt a division foe at the same time
It's pretty rate for an organization to be so petty and assholish to make major personnel decisions based on personal dislike but there really isn't any other explanation. Moreno got so upset by the relapse--hopefully details we don't know and not just the mere fact of it--that he just doesn't want Hamilton around any more.
What a shithead.
What a shithead.
I hope this works out for Hamilton, but it's essentially a flyer or reclamation project for Texas.
Hamilton still has some power, but his contact rate and BB% are in breathtakingly open freefall, not to mention his physical decline. He is an ancient 33 year old.
It'd be a swell narrative if he rakes and wins another HR title, but that's not happening with the 2015 Hamilton.
His downward arc (statistically speaking) reminds me of the cliff that Youkilis fell from in his final years - another player that had a lot of mileage and who hit the wall hard.
Hamilton still has some power, but his contact rate and BB% are in breathtakingly open freefall, not to mention his physical decline. He is an ancient 33 year old.
It'd be a swell narrative if he rakes and wins another HR title, but that's not happening with the 2015 Hamilton.
His downward arc (statistically speaking) reminds me of the cliff that Youkilis fell from in his final years - another player that had a lot of mileage and who hit the wall hard.
Wow, did we just come up with a way an opt-out clause could benefit a team?
It's something that can be offered to a player in order to convince them to lower their already negotiated salary in order to complete a trade with another team that will pick up the bulk of the salary.
If the Rangers are really only on the hook for about 7 million over the lifetime of the contract, and the angels are paying $68 million, I really, really have to laugh at the Angels. He's only got to be worth one win or so over the lifetime of the contract to be worth it for the Rangers. Meanwhile, the Angels are paying almost seventy million dollars for a player on the decline so he can play for a division opponent, and the driving force behind this decision is the fact that the owner is an asshole.
Good job, Angels, good effort.
It's something that can be offered to a player in order to convince them to lower their already negotiated salary in order to complete a trade with another team that will pick up the bulk of the salary.
If the Rangers are really only on the hook for about 7 million over the lifetime of the contract, and the angels are paying $68 million, I really, really have to laugh at the Angels. He's only got to be worth one win or so over the lifetime of the contract to be worth it for the Rangers. Meanwhile, the Angels are paying almost seventy million dollars for a player on the decline so he can play for a division opponent, and the driving force behind this decision is the fact that the owner is an asshole.
Good job, Angels, good effort.
I suspect this was approved in this case because of the overall situation and the fact that Hamilton is really giving up very little or no money because of the state tax issue. I'm not convinced that this same approach would be approved in a different set of circumstances.Rasputin said:
The additional inclusion of an opt out there seems fairly strange on the surface imo. Hamilton's 2017 salary figure is $30m. Is there really any chance he's opting out of that?
The less then $7m commitment, if true, is bordering on serious steal flyer status. Roughly 1/4 of the similar one we took on in Craig.
The less then $7m commitment, if true, is bordering on serious steal flyer status. Roughly 1/4 of the similar one we took on in Craig.
Since opt outs are widely considered to have value to the player, I'm thinking that maybe, along with the income tax thing, it might have been used as part of the justification for Hamilton giving up salary. We all know it probably won't be used, but the income tax justification is a bit thin too.
Moved to backwash.
Where is Texas going to play Hamilton?
Prior to Hamilton's injury last season, he was off to a good start. Like ARod, wouldn't be surprised to see a rebound to a league average player or better.
Where is Texas going to play Hamilton?
Prior to Hamilton's injury last season, he was off to a good start. Like ARod, wouldn't be surprised to see a rebound to a league average player or better.
MakMan44 said:
True. Ryan Rua should be there and has more offensive upside, but is on the DL.
Hamilton will play the field, but penciling him every day is a dice roll akin to how we view Victorino's chances of staying healthy in RF from game-to-game. And putting him at DH would bench Mitch Moreland - a LHH who should play most days too since he has some pop and is right now a healthier and better hitter (at least, more reliable).
Wow, the Angels literally just lit $76 million on fire. Deal is done, Hamilton is now a Ranger again.
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Molly Knight @molly_knight 2m2 minutes ago
The Angels' SBNation site, Halos Haven, published this horrific goodbye to Josh Hamilton:
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Jesus Christ. Talk about a rare opportunity for Olbermann's old "worst person in the (sports) world!" routine to be relevant.
Good thing Kenny Ducey never entered the priesthood, or his approach to Confessional would probably involve a lot of public shaming.
Good thing Kenny Ducey never entered the priesthood, or his approach to Confessional would probably involve a lot of public shaming.
He's saying he didn't write the article according to his twitter.
Pretty sure it's a fan post; unlikely that anybody getting paid by a global media company would put themselves on the line like that.
Pretty sure it's a fan post; unlikely that anybody getting paid by a global media company would put themselves on the line like that.