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Angels are opting out of stadium lease

Discussion in 'MLB Discussion' started by soxhop411, Oct 16, 2018.

  1. soxhop411

    soxhop411 Member SoSH Member

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    http://www.latimes.com/sports/mlb/la-sp-angels-anaheim-lease-20181016-story.html

    More at the link.

    Move the team to Montreal
     
  2. The Filthy One

    The Filthy One Member SoSH Member

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    They probably just want to build a new retro stadium closer to the vibrant and happening downtown Anaheim.
     
  3. tims4wins

    tims4wins PN23's replacement SoSH Member

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    4th oldest ballpark? WTF, how did that happen
     
  4. Ale Xander

    Ale Xander Member SoSH Member

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    I want an AL team in Socal, especially like the status quo situation, for purely selfish reasons. (Seeing Red Sox on the cheap if living or vacationing in the area)
     
  5. Ale Xander

    Ale Xander Member SoSH Member

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    Everyone else built new ones.
     
  6. Papelbon's Poutine

    Papelbon's Poutine Homeland Security SoSH Member

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    Montreal? So they can realign again? Move Tampa to Montreal and move Angels to Portland, San Antonio or Vegas. Failing that tie in with Spanos and just go straight LA.
     
  7. Ale Xander

    Ale Xander Member SoSH Member

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    LA people will always be Dodgers people.

    They just need to hire Janet Marie Smith, like JWH/TW/Lucky did, and beautify the ballpark like with Fenway.

    I am not sure Portland and San Antonio are wealthy enough to support an MLB team.

    I would also hate it to go to Vegas. Although I don't think the climate would prevent this move.
     
  8. Ale Xander

    Ale Xander Member SoSH Member

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    Move Tampa to Orlando. Move the Marlins to Montreal.
     
  9. tims4wins

    tims4wins PN23's replacement SoSH Member

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    I personally hope they become the Los Angeles Angels of Montreal Formerly of Anaheim
     
  10. Van Everyman

    Van Everyman Member SoSH Member

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    ...and California
     
  11. Papelbon's Poutine

    Papelbon's Poutine Homeland Security SoSH Member

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    So that Miami citizens can eat a $2B pill on the ballpark they got screwed on? Miami isn’t going anywhere anytime soon.

    I’m not sure how you’re claiming Portland and San Antonio’s aren’t wealthy enough when the average household income is higher in both than it is in Orlando. Nor how this sidebar solves the issue of the Angels.
     
  12. Papelbon's Poutine

    Papelbon's Poutine Homeland Security SoSH Member

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    And America.
     
  13. Ale Xander

    Ale Xander Member SoSH Member

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    tourists
     
  14. Papelbon's Poutine

    Papelbon's Poutine Homeland Security SoSH Member

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    Like they have in Vegas?
     
  15. cannonball 1729

    cannonball 1729 Well-Known Member Gold Supporter SoSH Member

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    They went through a very major renovation in 1998, so while it's technically the fourth oldest, it's functionally a 20-year-old stadium.
     
  16. LoweTek

    LoweTek Well-Known Member Lifetime Member SoSH Member

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    Agree on the Marlins but moving Tampa to Orlando puts the team less than 90 minutes from Tampa. Melbourne, Daytona and two hours from Jacksonville. A much more Central location accessible to many more people than the edge of St. Pete, a traffic nightmare no matter how you cut it.

    I know, I know, off topic from the Angels of Anaheim, LA and California. Carry on.
     
  17. Papelbon's Poutine

    Papelbon's Poutine Homeland Security SoSH Member

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    Unless mods disagree, I don’t see why it can’t be an overall discussion, I was just responding to a direct quote.

    Is a 90-120 minute commutes really reliable for relocation? I know traffic is an issue for the current location, I’m just not seeing how relying on a central location helps that. Is someone really driving from Jax to see the Rays?
     
  18. Ale Xander

    Ale Xander Member SoSH Member

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    Vegas has tourists yes. More than Portland and San Antonio, yes. It won't be locals supporting the Raiders.

    Orlando of course has families visiting, not the Chicken Ranch and The Cosmopolitan crowd, so you sell 5 tickets at once, something an 81 date team needs.
     
  19. Papelbon's Poutine

    Papelbon's Poutine Homeland Security SoSH Member

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    You think families don’t go to Vegas? The casinos disagree; and they will buy half the boxes for comps.

    Regardless, Orlando wouldn’t be any better than Tampa. And you have pretty serious realignment issues trying to move a team across the country.
     
  20. Monbo Jumbo

    Monbo Jumbo Well-Known Member Lifetime Member SoSH Member

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    I've heard that before. Allow me to break down what it means.

    The team feels that they are bringing thousands of paying customers to the location. They want to be able to earn money from the real estate surrounding that stadium. The business is much more profitable if they can control the restaurant, hotel, and other tie ins in the neighborhood.

    That is what the Braves did with their "Battery" development in the 'burbs. The Braves don't have just a stadium. They have a hotel/restaurant/office/stadium neighborhood earning $$. My take is the Angels want control of the satellite real estate for any stadium they occupy. That's the Braves model.

    (Note the Red Sox recent plans for a nearby theater fit this model also.)
     
  21. thehitcat

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    And Patriot Place if I'm very much not mistaken.
     
  22. section15

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    The Red Sox already have embarked on a neighborhood "manifest destiny" - major expansion of the concourse, Yawkey/Jersey street, and they've also put in two public restaurants (Game On, Bleacher Bar).
     
  23. HriniakPosterChild

    HriniakPosterChild Well-Known Member Gold Supporter SoSH Member

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    Shea was imploded.
     
  24. barbed wire Bob

    barbed wire Bob crippled by fear Silver Supporter SoSH Member

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    The Angels were ranked sixth in attendance in 2018 with over 3 million visitors so I tend to agree with Monbo; This is a ploy by Artie Moreno to get a more favorable lease and control development around the park.

    FWIW, in 2017 Moreno did say the they were committed to Angel stadium at least in the near term. However, in the past, they have looked at building a new stadium in other towns/places in O.C. like Tuston, the former El Toro airbase, etc.

    http://www.espn.com/mlb/attendance

    https://ballparkdigest.com/2017/02/19/moreno-were-committed-to-angel-stadium/
     
  25. patinorange

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    It’s a money/ real estate development ploy, pure and simple. Lots of choice land that Anaheim owns adjacent to the stadium and Moreno wants it. He’s going to leverage the Angels leaving against the money. And he’ll probably get most of what he wants. Monbo is right on the mark.
     
  26. Spacemans Bong

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    Just to back up that the Angels aren’t going anywhere, they’ve drawn 3 million in every season since 2003 and have drawn in the top 10 in AL attendance every year of their history, with one exception. They led the AL in attendance four times in the 80s. Their TV ratings are low but their audience size is top 10 in baseball. The OC loves their Angels.
     
  27. bosox79

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  28. TheYaz67

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    If only poor Mike Trout could opt out of his contract....

    It is borderline criminal that an elite player with an 8 MLB year career and 64+ WAR has a grand total of 15 postseason plate appearances.
     
  29. Papelbon's Poutine

    Papelbon's Poutine Homeland Security SoSH Member

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    Well, he shouldn’t have signed there...
     
  30. moondog80

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    What's crazy (if you are in your 40s anyway) is that I think SkyDome is the 7th oldest:

    Sox, Cubs, Dodgers, Angels, A's, Royals,

    And then Camden is 10th, after the ones listed above and White Sox & Rays.
     
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  31. tims4wins

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    Camden being 10th oldest is definitely crazy. That one sticks out as the first in the wave of new parks.
     
  32. moondog80

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    And it's not that far form being 7th -- Jays/WS/Rays only pre-date it by a few years.
     
  33. maufman

    maufman Anderson Cooper x Mr. Rogers Staff Member Dope Gold Supporter

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    These guys have bingo. The Angels are going to start a bidding war among municipalities in Orange County — give us land, we’ll build the stadium and develop the surrounding area, and we’ll kick a piece of the profits to the municipality (which importantly gives the politicians a vested interest in the success of the enterprise).


    One of the lessons here is that doing a massive renovation on an old stadium seldom makes sense. Time will tell whether the new-look Kaufman Stadium bucks the trend — I’ve heard good things. But the renovations in Anaheim and Oakland were mistakes, and even the Yankees would’ve been better off if they’d limped through with the old Yankee Stadium for another decade or two, then built the new one much sooner.
     
  34. Earthbound64

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  35. Monbo Jumbo

    Monbo Jumbo Well-Known Member Lifetime Member SoSH Member

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    The interesting point to note here is that a parking lot is no longer considered the optimum use for real estate adjacent to a stadium.

    In the Braves example, they are willing to forgo parking revenue to 3rd parties further away in order to reap restaurant/hotel/office space $$. The Braves built just enough parking for premium season ticket holders while average fans are parking in places like The Weather Channel's lot (for $20) a 15 minute walk on the other side of the interstate.
     
  36. The Allented Mr Ripley

    The Allented Mr Ripley holden Lifetime Member SoSH Member

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    The Anaheim and Oakland renovations were done for opposite reasons. In Anaheim's case, the Rams had left town, so there was justifiable reason to retrofit the stadium back into a baseball-only facility, and toward that end it was a smashing success. In Oakland's case, building Mt. Davis was the condition of getting the Raiders to move back to town, thereby making what was already an undesirable location for baseball even more so.

    I don't think renovating Anaheim stadium was a mistake at all, it's a perfectly fine facility. The Angels are opting out of the lease out of greed and because they can.
     
  37. The Allented Mr Ripley

    The Allented Mr Ripley holden Lifetime Member SoSH Member

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    Angels and Anaheim agree to extend the lease to 2020, providing more time for land use planning of the surrounding area. Either way, the Angels are staying, whether it's in a renovated Big A or and entirely new stadium built on adjoining land.

     

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