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Angel Hernandez, files racial discrimination suit against MLB

Discussion in 'MLB Discussion' started by soxhop411, Jul 3, 2017.

  1. Van Everyman

    Van Everyman Member SoSH Member

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    Apparently what Kinsler and MLB have perpetrated against Angel Hernandez is nothing less than an abomination:

     
  2. charlieoscar

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    And if the wristbands do not get the Office of the Commissioner to take the umpires' concerns seriously, then perhaps they could inform each manager during the gathering at home plate before a game starts that any player questioning, in any manner, a ball or strike call will be summarily ejected.

    RULE 9.01
    (b) Each umpire is the representative of the league and of professional baseball, and is authorized and required to enforce all of these rules. Each umpire has authority to order a player, coach, manager or club officer or employee to do or refrain from doing anything which affects the administering of these rules, and to enforce the prescribed penalties.

    (c) Each umpire has authority to rule on any point not specifically covered in these rules.

    (d) Each umpire has authority to disqualify any player, coach, manager or substitute for objecting to decisions or for unsportsmanlike conduct or language, and to eject such disqualified person from the playing field. If an umpire disqualifies a player while a play is in progress, the disqualification shall not take effect until no further action is possible in that play.

    (e) Each umpire has authority at his discretion to eject from the playing field

    RULE 9.02
    (a) Any umpire's decision which involves judgment, such as, but not limited to, whether a batted ball is fair or foul, whether a pitch is a strike or a ball, or whether a runner is safe or out, is final. No player, manager, coach or substitute shall object to any such judgment decisions.
     
  3. Average Reds

    Average Reds Dope Staff Member Dope V&N Mod SoSH Member

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    Yes, that's exactly what they should do. Because we all know that umpires are infallible.

    As an aside, rule 9.02 is the dumbest rule in baseball. Of corse, the rulebook is irrelevant to this discussion, because what the umps are mad about are the comments that Kinsler made after the game.

    Perhaps they might consider the fact that Kinsler is right and Hernandez is a truly shitty ump who basically begged Kinsler to challenge him and then threw him out of the game at the slightest provocation. Also, the game is not about them.
     
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  4. bsj

    bsj Renegade Crazed Genius SoSH Member

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    Computers should call balls and strikes

    Sent from my SM-G955U using SoSH mobile app
     
  5. snowmanny

    snowmanny Well-Known Member Gold Supporter SoSH Member

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    Am I wrong, or does MLB say that the strike zone technology isn't there to have computers call balls and strikes BUT they use strike zone technology to grade the umpires on the accuracy of their calling balls and strikes?
     
  6. Seels

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    Just fire them all. I actually think MLB umping is the best in sports but Hernandez Bucknor and West are such a joke it's really hard to even care about the rest.
     
  7. charlieoscar

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    No sense of humor have you?

    Do you think that wearing wrist bands will spur the Commissioner's Office into action? Irrespective of your feelings on the issue, Rule 9.02, or umpires.
     
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  8. Average Reds

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    I do agree that the wristbands is a joke, but beyond that I saw no evidence that the substance of your post was supposed to be humorous.

    The entire incident here was provoked by Hernandez. Kinsler did not complain about calls in his first two at bats, when he was forced to expand the zone to protect himself. And whatever he said in the third at bat was done in the correct fashion, as he did not show Hernandez up. But Hernandez was spoiling for a fight, so he tossed Kinsler to make the point that he is not to be questioned. And now he - and all of the other delicate snowflake umps - are crying because Kinsler blasted Hernandez for his incompetence.

    The umps will probably get some minor concession from MLB to salve their wounded egos and then this will die. Which saddens me, since it's a lost opportunity for MLB to tell umpires to STFU, stop making the game about them and just do their damn jobs.
     
  9. Max Power

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    That letter is such bullshit. Kinsler didn't attack Hernandez's character, he attacked his skill at his job. He might be a great guy, he's just not good enough at the job he's paid to do.
     
  10. InstaFace

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    Was there a way for Kinsler to express himself that didn't come across as sour grapes or offensive? Not a rhetorical question, I'm just not sure how players are supposed to raise sincere questions about umpire performance in a manner that gets it taken seriously. Perhaps through the MLBPA?
     
  11. Lose Remerswaal

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    So how do they reconcile that rule with replay?
     
  12. drbretto

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    I'm not sure, but it seems like something that shouldn't be done in public at the very least.

    I'm all for robot umps, but until we have robot umps, these are the umps we have. These are the rules they're playing by. Encouraging players and coaches to speak out against them will just lead to distractions. I'm ok with rule 9.02 just to keep the games moving. Otherwise, you'll see nothing but players and coaches bitching about every strike they don't like and vise versa.

    There should be a way for them to privately be held accountable for their mistakes, though. I would think going through the MLBPA would be the best way to go about it, but I don't know enough about the infrastructure to know if that makes sense or not.
     
  13. Savin Hillbilly

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    I dunno, his language is a little ambiguous in that regard. The word "blatant" used in this kind of context tends to have connotations of intent (i.e., "he's not even trying to hide it"). "He needs to stop ruining baseball games" also could be interpreted as meaning that Hernandez is acting with intent. Even the "what is he doing out there?" questions could be taken two ways ("why is he allowed out there?" or "what is he up to out there?"). You wouldn't have to be all that paranoid to interpret the remarks, taken together, as meaning that Hernandez is blowing calls on purpose. Kinsler may not have meant that, but he chose his words poorly if he didn't want to people to think so.
     
  14. timlinin8th

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    In criticising his fine, it also says Kinsler himself said he expected to be suspended. Maybe I missed that, because I saw what was televised and all Kinsler said was that he expected to be fined and was ok with it:

     
  15. soxhop411

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    I guess Hernández got what we wanted.

    A playoff officiating series.
     
  16. LogansDad

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    I feel like he's just giving evidence to the defense at this point.
     
  17. soxhop411

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    He and joe west should have been forced into retirement years ago.
     
  18. Humphrey

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    And the person who might have set the one game record for reviews and reversals will be behind the plate tomorrow. :mad:
     
  19. soxhop411

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    Per Jeff Passan here is MLB's statement:

    “There were several very close calls at first base tonight, and we are glad that instant replay allowed the umpiring crew to achieve the proper result on all of them.”
     
  20. Papelbon's Poutine

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    I know he sucks but other than the last one, they all seemed pretty damn close to me. Not sure he deserves a bit of derision for tonight.
     
  21. Van Everyman

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  23. BoSox Rule

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    “Your honor, I’d like to enter this tape of Game 3 of the 2018 ALDS between the New York Yankees and the Boston Red Sox into evidence.”
     
  24. Van Everyman

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    The thing is, if Hernandez doesn’t have a case of discrimination—and I don’t know that he doesn’t—he does actual victims of discrimination a great disservice.

    Also worth noting with Angel behind the plate for game 4: Kinsler was the guy who he tossed last year. Wonder if Cora takes the bat out of his hands and gives the Brockstar the start tonight.
     
  25. soxhop411

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    I feel we will have at least one ejection today by Hernández.
     
  26. Earthbound64

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    The main issue with that being that, in order for that to happen, the managers of the teams needed to challenge the play. If they didn't challenge it - or didn't have any challenges left - the call would have been incorrect.

    The purpose of replay isn't for the managers to have to umpire the game themselves.
     
  27. DisgruntledSoxFan77

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    I don't believe any of us wanted him behind the plate. This could get ugly, especially with Kinsler starting. Maybe it's Cora' s evil plan: get Kinsler to cause a stink on a close play, get ejected, and then he has to go to Holt!
     
  28. santadevil

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  29. Max Power

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    Porcello's quote in that one was awesome.

     
  30. oumbi

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    I have a question and could not find an answer on line. How often, or how many times, has a major league umpire been let go due to poor performance?
     
  31. ledsox

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    Rick was right. Angel was better than league average last night.
    His missed call pct. at the dish was 6.7. MLB average is 8.1% (according tp MLB now).
     
  32. Lose Remerswaal

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    CB Bucknor is still employed, so I'd say "impossible"
     
  33. bosox79

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    I dunno but the last time an umpire was fired for poor performance was 2012.

    edit: Maybe, it could have been drugs too.
     
  34. Van Everyman

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  35. jon abbey

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    Just going from memory, he is exceptionally bad at 1B and 2B calls.
     

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