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Discussion in 'Red Sox Forum' started by RedOctober3829, Oct 21, 2017.
If either is the case, we'll be hearing more about the Red Sox having no hitters.
Willis was named Tito's pitching coach.
Huge loss...whatever will this team do without him?
Not sure how much Alex affected last nights game but if that is the kind of coaching we will see from him then I am happy with the Sox choice for manager.
What exactly was it that you saw from the Astros' coaching that you liked?
For one thing, the new guy could get the staff to improve on their abysmal rankings in ERA and runs allowed, and maybe figure out a way to get the team to pitch fewer innings. They led the league in innings pitched. Getting that number down will be good start for the new guy.
Maybe not be as good at pitching
Under Willis, #RedSox pitchers had a 3.85 ERA the last two seasons, second in the AL to Cleveland, the team he is joining.
This post is a joke right? have you looked at the Sox pitching stats the last two years?
Yes, it's a joke
We loved Carl in this house!
My son pitched in college and everyone who has a pitcher
knows how stressful THOSE days can be.
Carl always showed his deep & sincere rooting interest for his staff...
As if they were his own boys.
Happy he ended up with such a gem as Tito. Wish him all the best.
I thought that the team-total innings pitched "criticism," would have given it away.
I thought it was funny. Hoppy isn't programmed to get subtle humor.
Joe Girardi as pitching coach?
I'm pretty sure he will have his choice of any open managerial spot he wants.
Other than having them hit Home Runs? If that is all he can teach Our Boys I will consider him to a success.
Staff ERA (with new players arriving) is not the best way to evaluate a pitching coach. The real question is whether the pitching coach did what he could to help/maximize each pitcher, which is something we really can't know. Complicating that, I would think that some excellent/maxed out pitchers don't really benefit from pitching coach A as opposed to pitching coach B. Likewise, some pitchers probably can't really be "fixed" no matter who is pitching coach.
I would guess the Sox need "maintenance" for Price, Sale, Pom, Kimbrel, but need someone to help Porcello and E-Rod take a "next step." I don't know if Porcello and E-Rod are in the 'pitching coach resistant" category or not, but they're clearly the ones with the greatest upside to their performances. That's where the focus should be.
Someone who can deal with players recovering from injury/surgery/TJ is probably going to be a plus, given the staff.
I am sad to lose Butter, neutral on the rest
Damn shame about Butter. Devers needs a guru out there.
I know what you mean. But after watching the praise heaped on Turner Ward (who I last remember as the Brock Holt of the 90s) as LA batting coach, it sort of reinforces the idea that there a re a lot of good coaches out there.
Nothing against Butterfield and the other coaches, but I'm more than Ok with giving Cora a completely fresh start with his coaching staff.
Best of luck to Butterfield......Not sure where this reputation of him being some exceptional fielding coach comes from. Were the Sox particularly better than other teams with respect to infield defense? Without looking at any data, I would say the right side of the infield was above average but not sure that was because of Butterfield.
He was given lots of props for his efforts with X. And his reputation in the game is one of being an outstanding fielding coach.
That is my point........He has a great reputation. What is the reputation based on? I would tend to think it is based on something more than Xander Boegarts. Just a quick look, in 2017 the Red Sox were ranked 23rd in team fielding % and 7th for most errors
One data point: Derek Jeter made 56 errors in A ball. He credited Butterfield with making him competent. (that others rated Jeter as God-like in the majors is besides the point).
I have no doubt that Butterfield is a great teacher of infielders and helped many including Jeter. Wade Boggs credited Johnny Pesky with helping him improve as a fielder. I believe that Cora will bring someone on board just as capable.
And they were also 9th best in Total Zone and #1 in baseball in BIS defensive runs saved. All depends on what you put the most stock in.
Butterfield came to Boston with the rep as a great infield coach. Incidentally, the 2012 Jays (Butter's last job before Boston) were #2 in both Total Zone and DRS. In other words, his rep isn't based on the 2017 Red Sox alone.
Excited to see the new coaches and what they can bring. As someone wiser than me said in a previous thread, new voices are needed.
Funny how he was released once the Sox had filled their opening. If he was available I'm sure he would have been part of the process.
A look of surprise when things either fell apart or went perfect .. and as "Lose R" stated those home runs.
I'm really trying to understand. So what Cora brings with him from Houston is understanding the multitude of appropriate times to look surprised? I never thought of it that way.
Geez, and I thought I could escape the daily barrage of identity politics by reading about baseball. Foolish me.
McAdam mentions Joe Espada, Carlos Febles, and Ricky Bones as candidates for Cora's coaching staff.
Cora can make his Bones.
Sometimes you just can't give it away.
Bachman Turner Underdrive?
Agreed. Trade value for prospects would seem to be highest when the hype train is rolling with all fans and media aboard. I cannot imagine how challenging it must be for a GM to hang on to a high-ceiling prospect with faced with the opportunity to trade that potential talent for a proven major league performer.
Sorry! My Bad. The fact that Cora did not seem to be surprised by the ebbs and flows of the game was what I should have stated. I will try in the future not to write while I am still trying to wake up from a rare and wonderful afternoon nap.
By the way I am joking. Just having a little fun. I think Cora will be a fine coach because I think it is in his bones. He is one of those few individuals who was born to be a coach. Like Tito, Torre and a very few others. Although, thinking of it as you said does put an odd twist on things.
Cute. There is the teensy matter of the fact that the Yankees were still playing until the weekend. The Sox had decided on Cora, and were waiting until the ALCS ended to announce it.
Anyway, Cora is a better hire - the feeling out of New York is that Girardi is spent.
I have no idea about the reputations of any of these names listed (I know Carlos Febles is very well respected) but I am not too excited with the idea of basically everyone on Cora's staff never serving in that capacity in the MLB before.
Would have liked for the bench coach to be an experienced guy who has been a manager before
Bones has been a MLB bullpen coach for awhile. They're pitching coach-ish (although clearly not the same responsibility). Espada has been a 3rd base coach for several years in MLB and managed in teh winter leagues. So neither is totally without MLB experience.
Febles was touting Devers's MLB-readiness for awhile. Whether that's a point in his favor, or just makes him captain obvious remains a question. I think he's also considered a solid IF coach, to the extent they're trying to replace Butterfield's alleged skill there.
Bones mound visit song be bad to the bones
I think his last name is pronounced "bonus"
Sox pitchers hope to avoid taking a walk on the wild side.
I have no idea why this made me laugh so hard, but it did. No Bones about it.
so if he has Hickey-like mound-visit tendencies, will he leave Bones tracks?
Some coaching news
Have to like Hyers's familiarity with the younger hitters from his time as minor league hitting coordinator.
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Joey Cora will be staying in Pittsburgh as coach, not joining his brother's staff in boston
I get the feeling this is gonna be an "interesting" coaching staff