ALDS: Yankees versus Indians (Non-Yankees Fan Version)

[Bob Montgomerys Helmet Hat]

Sure but you could argue Henry made the wrong decision considering Larry is now gone and Theo was given the job he wanted from the Sox by the Cubs and has been nothing short of awesome for them.

So maybe Henry gets 80% blame.

It was the only decision Henry would make. Lucchino was the guy who gave Theo his break when he was 28 years old, and now it was Theo's ego trying to get Lucchino fired. Theo is awesome at what he does, and he has an appropriately big ego. But Henry wasn't going to be disloyal to one of his guys to support someone being disloyal to him.
In addition, Theo has talked about the shelf life of managers GM's etc. He's smart enough that he probably knew what Henry was going to do, and that would open the door to him gracefully moving on. A challenge like the Cubs is what he wanted. Hell, in 5 years, maybe he'll go to the Padres.

 

[riboflav]

It was the only decision Henry would make. Lucchino was the guy who gave Theo his break when he was 28 years old, and now it was Theo's ego trying to get Lucchino fired. Theo is awesome at what he does, and he has an appropriately big ego. But Henry wasn't going to be disloyal to one of his guys to support someone being disloyal to him.
In addition, Theo has talked about the shelf life of managers GM's etc. He's smart enough that he probably knew what Henry was going to do, and that would open the door to him gracefully moving on. A challenge like the Cubs is what he wanted. Hell, in 5 years, maybe he'll go to the Padres.

It's a reasonable take for sure. But, Henry chose wrong. Maybe Theo still would have left a year or two later. But, there's no arguing I think that Theo is this century's best GM/President... hard to let him go and not regret it.

 

[Bob Montgomerys Helmet Hat]

It's a reasonable take for sure. But, Henry chose wrong. Maybe Theo still would have left a year or two later. But, there's no arguing I think that Theo is this century's best GM/President... hard to let him go and not regret it.

I think Theo was restless and wanted to go, and I think Henry is very loyal to his lieutenants. And they both knew that about each other.
I just believe it was inevitable and I, personally don't blame anyone or have any anger toward it.

 

[NYCSox]

Girardi didn't challenge the HBP because he didn't want to take the pitcher out of his rhythm.

Please don't fire him. Please don't fire him. Please.

 

[Bob Montgomerys Helmet Hat]

Please don't fire him. Please don't fire him. Please.

That's a mind-blowing piece of tape

 

[riboflav]

I think Theo was restless and wanted to go, and I think Henry is very loyal to his lieutenants. And they both knew that about each other.
I just believe it was inevitable and I, personally don't blame anyone or have any anger toward it.

I hear you. What are your thoughts on the end with Tito?

 

[Wallball Tingle]

Theo leaving was probably inevitable, but losing Tito was a disgrace on the organization. Thought so even at the time, despite assigning some of the blame to him for 2011. Can't believe he didn't get more rope from management OR fans (Johnny from Burger King fans anyway). I will say it seemed like he didn't love the job anymore after a shit year (his game 162 press conference exit was damned abrupt), but I think he could have been wooed back. Speculation, of course.

 

[NYCSox]

That's a mind-blowing piece of tape

Michael Kay war ripping into him on YES. And we know he takes his cues from up top so not promising. At least they should give him a chance to Proctor the entire pen first.

 

[Bob Montgomerys Helmet Hat]

I hear you. What are your thoughts on the end with Tito?

I actually think it was probably more of a shelf life thing than anything else. Theo often talked about the need for a new voice after a while, and that was probably shared by all of management. The shitty end of 2011, especially with him seemingly losing the clubhouse, made for a convenient way to support/enforce that theory.
I liked Tito and I didn't like him being let go. I don't think he's nearly as god-like as you do, but that's irrelevant to this conversation. But in the end, I don't see anyone being effective in a pressure cooker job like the Red Sox for much more than a decade. Six more years here might have killed him.

 

[Sox and Rocks]

Man, what a tag by Lindor.

The Yankees losing this in a gut punch would really go a long way towards making today not suck as much.

Amen, and praise Jesus

 

[Sox and Rocks]

I miss Tito.

Forever and always

 

[Sox and Rocks]

Girardi didn't challenge the HBP because he didn't want to take the pitcher out of his rhythm.

This explanation is far dumber than not challenging in the first place

 

[soxin6]

Girardi didn't challenge the HBP because he didn't want to take the pitcher out of his rhythm.

That is the kind of response I would expect from Farrell

 

[trekfan55]

I actually think it was probably more of a shelf life thing than anything else. Theo often talked about the need for a new voice after a while, and that was probably shared by all of management. The shitty end of 2011, especially with him seemingly losing the clubhouse, made for a convenient way to support/enforce that theory.
I liked Tito and I didn't like him being let go. I don't think he's nearly as god-like as you do, but that's irrelevant to this conversation. But in the end, I don't see anyone being effective in a pressure cooker job like the Red Sox for much more than a decade. Six more years here might have killed him.

Considering he has a heart condition, I'm pretty sure he would have burned out. I still think they chose poorly (cue the kmight from Indiana Jones) when they let Tito go, and when they pushed the pill popping story. Good for him to land on his feet with the Cleveland job.

As for Theo, it's customary to grant permission for job interviews when they involve a promotion, so when the Cubs job became available I think it was inevitable, Theo was gone. But also, as good a job as he did for the Cubs, the Sox brass would never have that kind of patience. And Theo had his shortcomings by the end of his tenure.

 

[Doug Beerabelli]

I guess not backing your catcher and making your pitcher pitch after permitting the allowance a base runner that shouldn't be on base doesn't mess with a pitcher's rhythm.

 

[pk1627]

Not a Girardi fan, but I think he’s taking the heat for his players here. Lifting CC with a 5 run lead? Not challenging a call his video guy couldn’t back?

Yanks have (obviously) a good offense but they have folded all year in the late innings, despite a better than average pen.

 

[jon abbey]

Not a Girardi fan, but I think he’s taking the heat for his players here. Lifting CC with a 5 run lead? Not challenging a call his video guy couldn’t back?

Yanks have (obviously) a good offense but they have folded all year in the late innings, despite a better than average pen.

Yep, they didn’t score for the final 8 innings, people should emphasize that a bit more.

 

[DennyDoyle'sBoil]

Girardi's explanation is being spun as though he didn't understand the batter would be out with a successful challenge. That's a bit unfair. He was giving a reason why he didn't want to challenge when he was being told apparently that it was inconclusive. It only looks stupid in hindsight when you know there's a grand slam. The guy that needs to be fired is whoever thought it was inconclusive.

Of course, we don't know what was said. If the guy reviewing said it was 80/20 strike out then Gerardi is a moron. Oh, fuck it, Girardi is a moron.

 

[bankshot1]

This off day will not be kind to Joe Girardi.

 

[scottyno]

The Yankees replay philosophy is to only challenge calls they are almost certain will be overturned. They've been one of the "best" at challenges every year since challenges were added, if by best you look at percentage of overturned calls, though you can certainly make the argument that someone with that high a percentage should be challenging more 50-50 calls since the penalty for being wrong is relatively minor. That philosophy cost them big time, that was a high enough leverage spot and late enough in the game where if they thought it was inconclusive they should still be challenging.

The replay guy was the subject of an article in the new york times last year

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/04/20/sports/baseball/yankees-replay-guru-ensures-umps-call-em-as-cameras-see-em.html

 

[Al Zarilla]

Where's the NY Daily News back page? Can't find it in 2-3 minutes of Googling.

 

[terrynever]

Where's the NY Daily News back page? Can't find it in 2-3 minutes of Googling.

 

[bankshot1]

Where's the NY Daily News back page? Can't find it in 2-3 minutes of Googling.

Both the Post and News are plays on Shoeless Joe

Post- "Say it ain't so Joe"

News "Reviewless Joe"

I suppose either could have gone with "Clueless Joe"

 

[Al Zarilla]

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Thanks, Terry, I had just found it, via Twitter. Is that supposed to be a subtle "Clueless Joe"? Although, when was The Daily News ever subtle?

 

[terrynever]

Thanks, Terry, I had just found it, via Twitter. Is that supposed to be a subtle "Clueless Joe"? Although, when was The Daily News ever subtle?

I knew as soon as it happened that headline writers at the DN and NY Post were bouncing puns off each other in their workplace. They live for managerial meltdowns.

 

[Sad Sam Jones]

Purchase Girardi's never used game challenge for the low, low price of $200

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[Sad Sam Jones]

Edwin Encarnacion avoided any significant damage to his ankle. He'll almost certainly not be in Sunday's starting lineup, but they haven't ruled him out as a pinch-hitter yet. Sounds like he really dodged a bullet, and is expected to play again this postseason. Michael Brantley can be penciled in for now as the starting DH on Sunday.

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[johnmd20]

Edwin Encarnacion avoided any significant damage to his ankle. He'll almost certainly not be in Sunday's starting lineup, but they haven't ruled him out as a pinch-hitter yet. Sounds like he really dodged a bullet, and is expected to play again this postseason. Michael Brantley can be penciled in for now as the starting DH on Sunday.

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He's made of plastic. That is unbelievable.

 

[NJ_Sox_Fan]

Edwin Encarnacion avoided any significant damage to his ankle. He'll almost certainly not be in Sunday's starting lineup, but they haven't ruled him out as a pinch-hitter yet. Sounds like he really dodged a bullet, and is expected to play again this postseason. Michael Brantley can be penciled in for now as the starting DH on Sunday.

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This is great news

 

[KiltedFool]

I wouldn’t be surprised if Girardi is covering for his staff not getting him any information fast enough for him to act. He could be doing an anti-Peyton, taking the heat himself instead of throwing someone under the bus.

Francisco Lindor is friggin awesome. And Gomes was a monster last night. One caught stealing on a ball in the dirt, the pickoff from his friggin knees, and then that grind it out final at bat. Go go Yanimal!

 

[Murderer's Crow]

I wouldn’t be surprised if Girardi is covering for his staff not getting him any information fast enough for him to act. He could be doing an anti-Peyton, taking the heat himself instead of throwing someone under the bus.

Francisco Lindor is friggin awesome. And Gomes was a monster last night. One caught stealing on a ball in the dirt, the pickoff from his friggin knees, and then that grind it out final at bat. Go go Yanimal!

Love them or hate them, Cleveland is a team that looks like they will capitalize on every and any mistake you make. It was tough to watch it being up 8-7 and knowing full well you were going to lose that game with one of the best pens in the game.

 

[Sad Sam Jones]

Starting Lineups for Game #3

Indians
SS Francisco Lindor
CF Jason Kipnis
2B Jose Ramirez
RF Jay Bruce
1B Carlos Santana
LF Austin Jackson
DH Michael Brantley
C Roberto Perez
3B Giovanny Urshela

RHP Carlos Carrasco

Yankees
LF Brett Gardner
RF Aaron Judge
C Gary Sanchez
SS Didi Gregorius
2B Starlin Castro
1B Greg Bird
3B Todd Frazier
DH Jacoby Ellsbury
CF Aaron Hicks

RHP Masahiro Tanaka

...Reading between the lines, I don't think Encarnacion will make another appearance in this series unless the Yankees win a game or two and the Indians have a desperate need for a RH pinch-hitter. They're not going to remove him from the roster though, since that would also eliminate him from the ALCS roster. Even with a right hander on the mound, I guess the feeling is that Jackson is still a better option to start than Chisenhall (calf).

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[staz]

Papi is so comfortable on the set.

 

[Harry Hooper]

FS1 showing old playoff highlights, including the "attack of the midges." Did that really happen, just nuts. We all saw it happen live, but it seems so surreal.

 

[InsideTheParker]

Tanaka looking great, alas.

 

[Redkluzu]

But Girardi being booed was an interesting twist.

 

[strek1]

Are MFY fans complete idiots? One of the few places where they scream like maniacs on a routine ball to the outfield. Do they really think it's going 500 feet?

 

[InsideTheParker]

Are MFY fans complete idiots? One of the few places where they scream like maniacs on a routine ball to the outfield. Do they really think it's going 500 feet?

I don't think it's confined to NY. I've noticed that in lots of games.

 

[strek1]

I don't think it's confined to NY. I've noticed that in lots of games.

It's not nearly that bad at Fenway.

 

[staz]

$21 mil again for Jacoby this year. And next year. And the year after that.

And the year after that.

 

[Al Zarilla]

Smoltz said double plays are hard to come by in the post season. Is that right? The hitters are better but so are the pitchers.

 

[strek1]

$21 mil again for Jacoby this year. And next year. And the year after that.

And the year after that.

Eveyone has their rotten contracts. We've got Pablo & Rusney making big bucks for doing nothing for us.
Who am I missing?

 

[Al Zarilla]

Sox right fielder catches that, Reddick too.

 

[canderson]

Judge played a pop up into a triple. Impressive.

 

[Marbleheader]

Judge played a pop up into a triple. Impressive.

I bet the announcers are fellating him for not letting Kipnis past third.

 

[Al Zarilla]

Tito's gotta tell his boys to lay off the low shit. Jesus.

If that were the Sox, the gamethread would boil over.

 

[Maximus]

Terrible AB by Bruce

 

[Bob Montgomerys Helmet Hat]

Serious pitching by Tanaka

 

[staz]

ALL RISE!

 

[Marbleheader]

What a snooze fest so far.