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ALCS Game 4: Porcello, bullpen ace, gets the start

Discussion in '2018 Red Sox Game Threads' started by DrewDawg, Oct 16, 2018.

  1. Bob Montgomery's Helmet Hat

    Bob Montgomery's Helmet Hat has big, douchey shoulders Lifetime Member SoSH Member

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    Price would have kept pitching
     
  2. Eagle3

    Eagle3 Member SoSH Member

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    I was the one who mentioned Bregman swinging at the first pitch. Given Kimbrel's total lack of command that was not smart. I get your point that he may have been anticipating Kimbrel grooving one, but the pitch in reality was up and in. I think Bregman was just anxious to be a hero.
     
  3. 54thMA

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    Just heard it on MLB Network; classic, you clearly hear the thud and he hits the floor...…………..what a professional, just kept going.

    Too funny.
     
  4. Poulsonator

    Poulsonator Well-Known Member Gold Supporter SoSH Member

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    It wasn't a fastball, it was a first-pitch change. James's change is still fast as hell (90s, his FB is in the 100s), but JBJ was apparently sitting change and he got it. They showed JBJs at-bats throughout the game on MLB TV and how previous pitchers had attacked him with off-speed stuff first. The previous pitchers had missed low and inside so they switched to FBs. Fascinating stuff.
     
  5. edoug

    edoug Member SoSH Member

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    Yes and it didn't seem to be hurt. But at that point, he may not have felt any pain anyway.
     
  6. cheekydave

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    1949???? OMG I bow in deference to you sir, my 1967 pales in comparison!
     
  7. DeJesus Built My Hotrod

    DeJesus Built My Hotrod Well-Known Member Lifetime Member SoSH Member

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    This game was insane. Insane...
     
  8. uncannymanny

    uncannymanny Well-Known Member Gold Supporter SoSH Member

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    I can’t believe that game happened.
     
  9. DeJesus Built My Hotrod

    DeJesus Built My Hotrod Well-Known Member Lifetime Member SoSH Member

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    If I put this in historical context, this is a game like we saw in 2003-2004 in terms of drama. It was that intense even though the stakes weren't the same considering the opposition as well as the weight of the game overall.
     
  10. Beale13

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    This isn't a new point, but just to add to this, in the moments after the ball makes contact with Mookie's glove he still had a couple of feet to go before making contact with the wall. He was not by any means reaching over the wall. I have no doubt that West made the right call on the field, and am super-impressed that he had the skill and the gumption to make that call at all.
     
  11. Bergs

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    It's a howitzer. Point stands otherwise.
     
  12. InsideTheParker

    InsideTheParker Member SoSH Member

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    Yes, but watching in bed (except for the ninth, to protect our hearts from Kimbrel).
     
  13. Sox and Rocks

    Sox and Rocks Member SoSH Member

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    Has anyone pointed out the irony of two extremely close outfield/wall catches/non catches on back to back nights? Both could have easily gone either way, and one went for the Stros and one for the Sox. One team overcame it, and one team didn't.
     
  14. pvg44

    pvg44 Well-Known Member Lifetime Member SoSH Member

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    This is a screen shot from the best video angle I've seen. This is where the fan comes into contact with Betts's glove. To me, it is right over the wall, which is in the field of play as I understand the ground rules. Look where Betts's body is, and look where the glove is -- his body is ~18" away from the wall and his arm/glove is not extended beyond that. Now look at the guy in the blue shirt and where his waist is in relation to the wall, and where his arms are extended over the wall. Not significantly, but his hands are above the wall and impacting Mookie's glove. Close as hell and I'm biased as hell, but that's interference.
     

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  15. boxosII

    boxosII Member SoSH Member

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    i'm old and watched every second

    i might not have many of these left
     
  16. 54thMA

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    I'll always remember it as the CPAP game...…"He added 10MPH to his fastball after he discovered he had sleep apnea and started using a CPAP machine"...…..yeah, sure he did.
     
  17. Mugsy's Jock

    Mugsy's Jock Longtime Member Lifetime Member Gold Supporter SoSH Member

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  18. Joe Sixpack

    Joe Sixpack Well-Known Member Lifetime Member SoSH Member

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  19. DeJesus Built My Hotrod

    DeJesus Built My Hotrod Well-Known Member Lifetime Member SoSH Member

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    Indeed.

    More to the point, this game may have been about the miracles of CPAP technology early on but in the end, Craig Kimbrel made sure that defibrillators were the must-have medical devices for all Sox fans.
     
  20. DeJesus Built My Hotrod

    DeJesus Built My Hotrod Well-Known Member Lifetime Member SoSH Member

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    From Michael Baumann of The Ringer: "Neither team recorded a 1-2-3 inning in the entire game".
     
  21. InsideTheParker

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    Haha. Good one.
     
  22. JohnnyTheBone

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    He made a great catch to end the game, but I stand by the post.
     
  23. Philip Jeff Frye

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    So who's in worse shape after their tumbles? Castiglione or Pearce?
     
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  24. uncannymanny

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    Another play that hasn't been talked about enough is Mookie's play to keep Gonzalez(?) at 3B in the 9th. Who knows what happens if the Astros get that run. His defensive play last night was off the charts.
     
  25. Al Zarilla

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    I know, I keep having to remind myself that this is an ALCS just as much as those were, but it doesn’t quite reach the hallowed halls level (even though the drama and the plays being made are right up there). Maybe it’s all the orange instead of pinstripes.
     
  26. Al Zarilla

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    Can you describe that one? Even though I watched every pitch, every play, I forget that one.
     
  27. LogansDad

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    Had to leave for work as soon as Beni landed for the overnight shift. Just got home. Still can't sleep.

    Bananas.
     
  28. sheamonu

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    On Kimbrel - and i’m rambling because I still haven’t slept - it doesn’t seem that he’s lost any velocity or that he’s broken down physically- but there is no doubt that he is struggling with command. It looks like he’s throwing a wiffle ball the way pitches are sailing out of the strike zone. Could this be down to excessive spin rate? Could he be so hyped up that (like a golfer who goes down a club in high adrenaline situations) he needs to dial back the wrist snap a bit or adjust his grip? Because right now watching him throw a strike is like watching Stevie Wonder play darts.
     
  29. 54thMA

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    This is solid advice.

    His high wire act is getting old; find you fastball command and knock it off with the drama.
     
  30. DeJesus Built My Hotrod

    DeJesus Built My Hotrod Well-Known Member Lifetime Member SoSH Member

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    Sleep was futile even if you were home and could lay down. I mean if you watched that entire four hour and 33 minute roller coaster of incredible drama, there was no way sleep was possible. What a damn game that was...
     
  31. 54thMA

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    They both bounced right back up, so at this point, neither.

    No offense to Joe, but I'm more concerned about Pearce, that was a nasty tumble.

    The announcers pointed out if he caught that, it's not an out, that's adding insult to a potential injury.
     
  32. 54thMA

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    Was up until about 3:00am EST soaking it all in, was up at 6:30am EST, I'm working now, I'll be fine at gameti...…..ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ
     
  33. InstaFace

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    edit: moved to Cora thread
     
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  34. InsideTheParker

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    Yes. I wonder if Cora's been asked about that.
     
  35. The Racoon

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    I think he's talking about a play in the bottom of the 7th. Brasier pitching with Gonzalez on 1st and 2 outs, Correa hits a line drive double to RF that one hops exactly into the corner connecting the RF wall with the wall behind the 1st base line. Mookie is there in a heartbeat and fires it back in to Pearce/Holt and Gonzalez has to hold at 3rd.

    I don't know if this video is accessible in the US but if so, it's this play:


    After that play, Barnes came in and struck out White with 2 nasty curveballs.
     
  36. Oil Can Dan

    Oil Can Dan Well-Known Member Lifetime Member SoSH Member

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    I thought I heard them say something like this, but I don't get it. Why wouldn't that be an out, exactly?
     
  37. Hendu for Kutch

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    I thought they said it would be an out, but the runner would be allowed to advance one base.
     
  38. cgori

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    It’s not what they said - they said it would be an out but because the out was recorded beyond the boundary the existing runner would be given a base - it would have been runner at 2nd with 2 out, I believe.
     
  39. The Racoon

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    Didn't they talk about the runner on 1st being able to get to 2nd. So instead of 1 out + runner on 1st a catch would have meant 2 out + runner on 2nd and they finally came to the obvious conclusion, that with a 2 run lead you take the second out 100 out of 100 times... that's at least how I remember it, but it feels like weeks ago...
     
  40. Oil Can Dan

    Oil Can Dan Well-Known Member Lifetime Member SoSH Member

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    Yeah that's right. Okay, that makes sense. Brain not totally functioning today as I was up late night...
     
  41. Al Zarilla

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    Oh yes, that play. I was really (pleasantly) surprised Marwin didn't score on that, especially since there were two outs, off with the crack of the bat. Maybe he was asleep. Thanks.
     
  42. DanoooME

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    I was exhausted after that ride and fell right asleep with a nice smile on my face, despite the horrors I had witnessed.
     
  43. buzzard21

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    It would have been an out but the runner would have been allowed to advance.
     
  44. rajendra82

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    The announcers said it would have been an out (the second of the inning), but because Pearce and the ball would have been ended in the dugout, the runner on first would have been awarded second. The choice was good enough that Pearce risked a broken neck for it. Tough dude.
     
  45. RGREELEY33

    RGREELEY33 Potty Mouth Gold Supporter SoSH Member

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    No.

    Beni made a great play that won game 4 of the ALCS.

    Butler made one of the greatest plays in the history sport that won a Superbowl that was about to be lost. It is probably the singular most taking-victory-from-the-jaws-of-defeat play in the history of sport, in the penultimate game, on a play that was pure instinct and recognition that few would have made.

    It’s not close.
     
  46. Reverend

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    I dunno, I had a pretty good time. I definitely don't feel let down. Kinda the opposite.

    That was kinda awesome!

    Cyber hugs all around!
     
  47. DrewDawg

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    I love that JBJ calls Mookie "Marcus"
     
  48. BigSoxFan

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    And the Butler play occurred during a time when about 99% of the United States was calling the Patriots cheaters and actively rooting against them. When you factor all of that in, it's basically impossible to top.
     
  49. cheekydave

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    Exhausted today on 3 hours sleep, BUT not miserable. Losing a game like that and being exhausted is....so Pre 2004.
     
  50. Preacher

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    Not even the penultimate game but the actual final game of the season. The Patriots kicked the shit out of the Colts in the penultimate game of the season.
     

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