AFCCG: Pats at Chiefs Buildup
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Regarding the running game, I share the feeling of someone upthread who said they're getting a 2013 vibe. That year the Pats ran all over the Colts in the divisional game, with Blount going for 148 and 3 TDs. I vividly remember all the talk during the ensuing week about how the new-found ground game was going to be the magic bullet and enable them to win at Mile High -- and then they went in there and couldn't do anything (leading to many I-told-you-sos from Felger, just to rub salt into the wound).
While I certainly think they should try to run and hope that they can, I see this as potentially becoming one of those kitchen-sink games like the 2015 divisional game vs the Ravens -- trick plays, different looks -- especially if KC pulls ahead and is getting to Brady early.
I mean, the Patriots have pretty much always been a short passing team and for 15+ years they generally haven't been stopped. That's always their bread and butter.
Yep. And for all the crap that Reid gets about some old clock management mistakes, he's a damn good coach. And he has a TV.
If I'm Reid, I'm bringing people up and daring the Pats to beat me deep.
Not saying they’re going away from it but they’re going to have to complete longer passes to win in KC. Brady didn’t have to let loose very much against LAC. He’ll have to this week and Gordon is a real asset there is all I’m saying. The team is still fully capable of going vertical without Gordon but it won’t be as easy.
Maybe try quoting my exact words next time then. I said the Chiefs “will be all over the short stuff”, which means they will commit to stopping it. We’ll see how effective they are.
I think this is where the weather will actually help the Patriots. "Going vertical" in those conditions might mean an entirely different thing than it would in ordinary temp and wind.
They need to run well. They need to protect Brady who will need more than 2.5 seconds to throw those intermediate-to-deeper passes.
Suffice it to say that, as usual in these kinds of games, the play of the offensive line against some talented defenders is going to be crucial.
The Pats are going to have to line up and steamroll the KC defensive line the way they did to the Chargers last week. That's the path to a win. It's not going to be easy, but probably easier then beating Mahomes in a shootout in a brutal road environment.
Pats not as good as they have been in the past..
But they have been truly AWESOME in the past and lost to very mediocre teams *COUGH Giants *Cough.
So why not a Good but not great Pats team winning it all.
We "end the Dynasty" as we began, wining against "more talented teams".
We win this shit. All of it.
But its close in both games.
The Dynasty never does get the blowout.
But they have been truly AWESOME in the past and lost to very mediocre teams *COUGH Giants *Cough.
So why not a Good but not great Pats team winning it all.
We "end the Dynasty" as we began, wining against "more talented teams".
We win this shit. All of it.
But its close in both games.
The Dynasty never does get the blowout.
Agreed. I just think that in a tough road game like this, there are going to be times when it simply comes down to winning a 1-on-1 battle because I’d bet that Brady will be under duress far more this week than last. That’s where Gordon may potentially be missed.
I agree with the general consensus that the Pats will bring the running game and work play action off of it. This has been working lately and is the team’s strength. It’s why I think Gronk makes a big receiving impact this week. KC’s primary focus will be the running game. There will be opportunities to mix things up and catch them napping with Gronk, like we did in Week 6.
Why? What have you seen in KC that they can actually beat NE WR 1-1 defensively or whatever this strategy is you think they are going to pull out to "stop the short stuff"? Until you've seen evidence of it, this is just the fear talking. Which DB is stopping Edleman 1-1 on his option routes? or Gronk? Or White out of the backfield? What are the similar games where they have proven this? How are they stopping the short stuff and the run? How are they stopping the run, the play action and the short stuff? You speak in definitives, yet offer no proof, I think that is where DrewDawg is saying flushing it out would be helpful.
Play the damn game already before we kill each other!
Nothing as dispiriting as the kitchen sink. And I get particularly fucking annoyed when Josh goes there. Yeah, let me put my shackles on and stumble down the Roman road in parade with the exotic animals.
My bad on the paraphrase, but again, you just described the game plan of every team that plays NE.
The best part of this is we only have like 53 more hours...
All fair points by you and others and I was actually planning on adding to my post with data since I had started digging through some passing chart data but my damn day job got in the way...
I'm hoping that by the end of this weekend, you and others will be mercilessly mocking me as the Pats take down the Chiefs with Brady completing 35 passes for 250 yards. As others have said, the OL and running game will really dictate what we do in the passing game.
That's funny because it's true. Apologies for my shorthand and small role in adding to this.
What I mean--KC shouldn't commit to doubling Gronk or anyone else for that matter. I don't know KCs normal defensive tendencies, but teams have traditionally tried to slow him and Edelman down with a lot of help, over and under. Even if it's over 20F, it's a waste of resources. The run and short passing are what's going to kill you. I'd focus the help in <10yd downfield and take the chance that Brady hits the home run.
Pats put their Thursday injury report out and this is who is on it.
Yup, nobody. Barring something crazy, there will be 7 healthy scratches on Sunday. If I had to guess I'd say the inactives will be Ferentz, Melifonwu, Dawson, Anderson, Davis, Kamalu, and Clayborn.
Yup, nobody. Barring something crazy, there will be 7 healthy scratches on Sunday. If I had to guess I'd say the inactives will be Ferentz, Melifonwu, Dawson, Anderson, Davis, Kamalu, and Clayborn.
Actually, I am pining for some Joey Bosa action.
Check out the mic’ed up segment posted by DrewDawg in the Chargers game ball thread.
There, Bosa tells a teammate after a drive: “I won every rush” but didn’t lay a glove on Brady because the ball was out in 2 seconds. There is no reason to disbelieve Bosa’s assertion — that he beat his man on the Patriots’ line in time ordinarily sufficient to get home, but couldn’t get home. At least, I found no reason to disbelieve him.
Why, exactly, cannot that be the case again this Sunday? Crowd noise?
If their primarily cover-1 scheme prevents receivers from getting open in time and Houston, Ford, and Jones can get there. Pass protection hasn’t always been stellar on the road and we’ve seen the receivers struggle to separate before. That’s why it might not happen. The Chargers had a horrible game plan, didn’t adjust enough or couldn’t due to injury, and got smoked. Reid is less likely to make the same mistakes.
Come on... I haven’t forgotten about playoff Andy. I was born and raised in Philadelphia. Roses are red, violets are blue, if you’re getting a hoagee get me one too. That’s WIPs old Andy Reid Valentine’s Day card.
He has had some big blunders and I hope we see 3-4 more on Sunday but I’m not nearly as confident as others in the thread.
Edit: I like Reid and respect him and if somehow RG disqualified us from the playoffs or some such bullshit I would be on-board the Chiefs bandwagon. I’m a bleeding heart in general and admittedly bleed a little for Reid.
Reid’s mistakes are more likely to be tactical in-game decisions though right? Not major schematical mistakes and failing to make adjustments.
I am getting a little sick of the McVay hype. Wade Phillips joked on twitter today (think it was posted here) that his son knows McVay if anyone is looking for a HC. But then I’ll watch a Rams game, be thoroughly entertained and reminded why McVay gets the hype. If the Pats make it I want to see them play and beat the Rams. BB beating McVay would be a great script. The old wizard vs the young-up-and-comer, or insert whatever generic hype you want to.
Yeah that’s what I’m talking about. He’s going to mess up managing the clock or timeout usage or something like that. But he’s not going to come out in zone and stay in zone while the Pats score TDs on five straight possessions.
I'll allow a "Fuck Stan Kroenke", but that's about as far as I'll go.
If the Chiefs win Sunday, I'll be rooting for them in the SB.
I remember when the Pats used to do that a lot. Then they lost to the Jets I think and decided once and for all to get rid of it and go to field turf. Maybe the Pats will inspire them to do the same.
Nice. 2-4” of snow expected tomorrow night into Saturday, during which I assume the field will be covered. Meanwhile the forecast game-day temps continue to rise: NWS now forecasting a high of 26 and low of 20. Garden-variety winter evening.Credit where it is due.
The KC groundskeepers did an amazing job.
They just tweeted this out
It may look good, but playing on a re-sodded field that same week could pose issues. Once the field freezes and they turn on the heating coils the middle of the field will be really soft. Not sure if the coils are always on, but if they aren’t then the field will be an issue.Credit where it is due.
The KC groundskeepers did an amazing job.
They just tweeted this out
Yep. Like I wrote above the Pats did this in 2006 - and ended up going to field turf within a couple weeks.
Even without freezing, new sod isn’t taking root in a week. Footing is going to be iffy at best.
