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AAF Game/Season Thread

Discussion in 'Blinded by the Lombardis: Patriots Forum' started by E5 Yaz, Feb 9, 2019.

  1. soxhop411

    soxhop411 Member SoSH Member

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  2. DennyDoyle'sBoil

    DennyDoyle'sBoil Found no thrill on Blueberry Hill SoSH Member

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    Wow -- how did that happen? I mean, that's a serious misjudgment. Unless there was some investor that dropped out that they were counting on, or they had Dundon waiting in the wings from the outset, that's some pretty serious shit.
     
  3. bankshot1

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    How does a discount pro-league need $250 million to make payroll? And who invests $250 million into a business that teeters on insolvency in 2 weeks? What return can you promise this guy that remotely make sense?
     
  4. johnmd20

    johnmd20 literally like ebola Lifetime Member Gold Supporter SoSH Member

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    Yes. A lot of this doesn't check out.
     
  5. Super Nomario

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    They don't need $250 MM to make payroll; payroll for the whole year is like a tenth of that. Dundon and AAF chairmon Ebersol are both claiming this is an investment that has been in the works for a while. I guess that makes sense; the timing is kind of weird, though.
     
  6. bankshot1

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    This is the curious quote from the above link.

    "David Glenn of TheAthletic.com reports that Carolina Hurricanes owner Tom Dundon dumped $250 million into the Alliance of American Football last week in order to save the upstart operation from imploding after only one week.

    Absent the nine-figure infusion, the AAF may have missed payroll last Friday."
     
  7. steveluck7

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    I gotta believe that the league's "financial issues" are being overstated in that article. For Dundon to "dump" $250 million into something that was in such dire straits would be insane.
     
  8. DennyDoyle'sBoil

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  9. Awesome Fossum

    Awesome Fossum Member SoSH Member

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    If the AAF wanted the benefit of the doubt, they shouldn't have obviously misrepresented the attendance last week.

    I'm not totally following all this talk of payroll being only $2.5 million a week. That's just for the base pay of the active roster players ($7K*44*8=$2.46M). That doesn't account for the performance bonuses that supposedly exist, inactive players, the coaches, etc. Football Scoop estimated the coaching budget for the league at $16 million for the season.
     
  10. Awesome Fossum

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    http://www.espn.com/nhl/story/_/id/26033326/qa-tom-dundon-250-million-well-spent-bunch-jerks

    He sounds like a cool dude. I'm not sure he totally realizes what he bought, but football fans are lucky to have him.
     
  11. DanoooME

    DanoooME Well-Known Member Gold Supporter SoSH Member

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    Makes me wonder if this is Dundon's "down payment" on the Panthers.
     
  12. joe dokes

    joe dokes Member SoSH Member

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    Not an accountant, but if the things goes belly up, isn't it just a nice tax deduction for a guy who was probably handed a fucktillion dollars as a result of last year's tax package?
     
  13. maufman

    maufman Anderson Cooper x Mr. Rogers Staff Member Dope Gold Supporter

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    Even among the uber-wealthy, very few can use a $250 million capital loss. Even if Dundon is the exception to the rule, the most he would save in taxes would be $50 million. So no, this isn’t a tax play — if he has any motive other than earning a return on his investment, it’s probably ingratiating himself with the NFL owners who want this thing to succeed, if only to block Vince McMahon’s forthcoming XFL 2.0.
     
  14. Awesome Fossum

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    Everyone talks about the NFL as an exit strategy for the AAF, which I just don't see. If the NFL cared to invest in player development, they'd just expand roster sizes or the practice squad, which would be much cheaper and probably more effective than running a minor league. Or they'd still be funding NFL Europe, which also served marketing purposes.

    I don't think the NFL is sweating the XFL at all -- or at least they shouldn't be. The XFL is starting from a much, much better position than the AAF, but they still face a long journey to sustainability, let alone ever getting to a place where they cause the NFL any nuisance whatsoever.
     
  15. maufman

    maufman Anderson Cooper x Mr. Rogers Staff Member Dope Gold Supporter

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    Vince McMahon’s strategy is to appeal to fans who are disillusioned by the NFL for one reason or the other. The AAF’s strategy, on the other hand, seems to be to target people whose main beef with the NFL is its long offseason. It’s hardly an existential issue, but if there’s going to be a spring football league, the NFL would rather it be the AAF, because they’d rather not have an upstart league with a loudmouth celebrity founder who relishes shitting on their product.

    I don’t think the NFL will go so far as to invest in the AAF, but it certainly seems they have encouraged coaches to take AAF gigs, and I wouldn’t put it past them to introduce Ebersol and Polian to prospective investors.
     
  16. maufman

    maufman Anderson Cooper x Mr. Rogers Staff Member Dope Gold Supporter

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    I was surprised to see that the median value of an MLS franchise is about $250 million.

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/chriss...ource=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter#265b50c02ee9

    Dundon’s investment makes more sense to me now. The AAF isn’t going to be as successful as MLS anytime soon, but if a franchise like Sporting KC is worth $270 million, it’s not too hard to imagine AAF’s founders cashing out in 3-4 years by selling off 8 franchises for $50-60 million each. (Not saying that will happen — my bet is Dundon loses money — but it’s not as delusional a bet as I thought when I first heard about it.)
     
  17. Awesome Fossum

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    I disagree that the XFL's strategy is targeting disillusioned NFL fans. I don't think that's supported by any move the league has made, perhaps save putting a team in St. Louis. McMahon "worked heel" in 2001 because he thought it would work, and it backfired spectacularly. Everything that's happened since Oliver Luck became the commissioner has been cordial, to the point that Luck has said that he's kept the NFL in the loop on the league's plans.

    Seven of the eight teams are in NFL markets. They're sharing NFL buildings in Tampa Bay, Seattle, New York, and Los Angeles*. The XFL is banking on current NFL fans being willing to pay for more football.

    Like you, I wouldn't doubt that the NFL would be willing to introduce Ebersol to potential investors. I would think the NFL would be thrilled that people are willing to fund developmental leagues for them.

    What makes you say that the NFL has encouraged coaches to take AAF jobs? I don't doubt you; that's just not something I had heard.
     
  18. maufman

    maufman Anderson Cooper x Mr. Rogers Staff Member Dope Gold Supporter

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    I was just reacting to the quality of coaches that the AAF was able to pull. Seems likely to me that those coaches got a little encouragement — would someone like Mike Martz, for example, take an AAF gig if he thought it might hurt his chances of landing another NFL job? Could you imagine Martz coaching an XFL team?
     
  19. Fred not Lynn

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    The comparison to MLS is interesting. While we here critique AAF as nothing but low-level minor league football, somehow MLS has created an optical illusion of being, well, “MAJOR” league despite being the soccer equivalent of Indy league baseball, while on the global totem pole the AAF is arguably the third best American football league on earth, and at a much higher relative level.
     
  20. InstaFace

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    who's 2nd, the SEC?
     
  21. Fred not Lynn

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    Probably CFL. SEC may have arguably higher top end talent level, but CFL is full grown men.
     
  22. Phil Plantier

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  23. Awesome Fossum

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    I don't think there would be any reason for concern regarding the NFL discriminating against coaches from any league.

    The AAF targeted retired or ready for retirement coaches who would be attracted to what amounts to a part time job. Martz hasn't coached in the NFL since 2011. I definitely think we'll see guys like that in the XFL, for better or worse.
     
  24. HomeRunBaker

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    Another factor that cannot be discounted is that of ego and control. Dundon is now a player.....a major player in the game of football who presumably gained quite a large voice in exchange for that $250m check.
     
  25. Fred not Lynn

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    Apologies for the lack of clarity, the comparison was solely on the level of play, not attendance/revenue/etc... I guess my point was that MLS’s ratio of level of play to commercial success is beyond what you might expect.
     
  26. maufman

    maufman Anderson Cooper x Mr. Rogers Staff Member Dope Gold Supporter

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    Anyone watching the Memphis-Orlando game on NFL Network?
     
  27. Awesome Fossum

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    I watched. Fun game. All of the Apollos games have been fun to watch.
     
  28. maufman

    maufman Anderson Cooper x Mr. Rogers Staff Member Dope Gold Supporter

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    I was bored, so I downloaded the AAF app. It’s actually pretty cool.
     

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