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8/15: Two bullpen starters!

Discussion in '2018 Yankees Game Threads' started by terrynever, Aug 15, 2018.

  1. terrynever

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    Yanks bring back Luis Cessa tonight as CC's fill-in. Tampa counters with Jake Faria, who began the season as a normal starting pitcher but typically goes three innings now. Cash must trust him. Three innings is a lot of work for a Tampa starter.

    Cessa has been getting better in his role. I believe he hitchhiked in from Scranton last night. Yanks are saving money wherever they can this season.

    Still no word yet from the Bronx Police on whereabouts of Gleyber Torres' bat. It went missing a few weeks ago. And now he has lost his swagger.

    Car 54, where are you?
     
  2. SemperFidelisSox

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    Your boy Gleyber is riding the pine tonight.
     
  3. jon abbey

    jon abbey Shanghai Warrior Dope SoSH Member

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    Yeah, he's looked terrible at the plate since coming back from his injury, easy to forget he's just 21.
     
  4. terrynever

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    He's not my boy. In fact, boy is a bad word to use in this day and age to describe a 21-year-old.
     
  5. terrynever

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    NY Post has a story promoting Romine as Yankees' best catching option for September and October, based on his body of work this season. Not exactly news to anyone.
    The Yankees should hand Sanchez a first baseman's mitt while he rehabs in Tampa. Still time to get into some minor league games down there. Greg Bird has pretty much shown us his baseline performance this year. Low average, good power, probably just a platoon player. Why not platoon Sanchez and Bird at first base? If 2018 is too soon, then get it done over the winter and in Spring Training. We keep hearing Sanchez's size hurts him behind the plate. Maybe his future is as a backup catcher, first base platoon, and DH.
     
  6. Petey

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    Paths of Glory
    "I may be many things, sir. But I am not your boy."
     
  7. terrynever

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    Great movie. Kubrick.
     
  8. jon abbey

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    I think this is all an overreaction to a few bad months from Sanchez. Andujar is the internal option who is going to bump Bird from 1B if anyone does, after NY signs Machado for 3B this winter. Sanchez is the C for years to come, maybe Siegler will take over in 2021 or 2022.
     
  9. Petey

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    "Great movie. Kubrick" - Yes, one of my all-time favorites.
     
  10. terrynever

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    You may see it as an overreaction but I wonder how the pitching staff feels after being handled by Romine so much this season. There is an element of trust that can develop. Bad timing for Sanchez to leave Romine this opening.
     
  11. Couperin47

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  12. jon abbey

    jon abbey Shanghai Warrior Dope SoSH Member

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    They generally have better numbers with Sanchez catching, FWIW.
     
  13. jon abbey

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    Oakland finally loses to Seattle, 2-0 in 12 innings.
     
  14. jon abbey

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    Certainly some noise in this stat but team ERA:

    Sanchez catching: 3.46
    Romine catching: 3.98
     
  15. terrynever

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    Both have caught roughly 50 games this season. Romine has 3 PBs and 10 wild pitches in his fielding line. If I am reading this right, Sanchez has 10 and 35. I know catchers do not directly impact wild pitches, but they can limit them by catching the ball, or blocking it.
    Maybe I got that wrong.
     
  16. terrynever

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    Two-out bloop hit behind third plates Kiermaier, who had doubled to left. 1-0 Rays with 2 outs in second.
     
  17. terrynever

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    Walker has made two fine plays in right so far, a running catch of a line drive in the first and then a leaping catch at the wall to end the second.
     
  18. terrynever

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    Andujar is on fire again. Homers to tie game.
     
  19. terrynever

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    Cessa just throws Yanks' 53rd wild pitch of season. 11 for Romine, 35 for Sanchez. I guess 7 for Higgy. It is a tough staff to catch, and catchers are not responsible, but the disparity between Romine's total and Sanchez sort of bears out what our eyes have been telling us all season.

    Didi just saves a run with a backhand stab with bases loaded in third. Run scores anyway from third base but it could have been worse. And now it is. Kiermaier singles in a run with two outs. He's hitting .183 this season. Two hits tonight.
     
  20. terrynever

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    Pretty sure I have driven Yankee fans away tonight. Get off my lawn!
     
  21. terrynever

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    Boston has 36 wild pitches this season.
     
  22. jon abbey

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    OK, but the runs allowed per nine innings would include all of that (meaning unearned runs too), and Sanchez is still much lower than Romine, 3.79 to 4.33. He's not as bad a defensive catcher as perception has it overall, and Romine isn't anything special.

    https://www.baseball-reference.com/teams/NYY/2018-fielding.shtml
     
  23. SemperFidelisSox

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    Don’t the Yankees throw the fewest percentage of fastballs in the league? Maybe that contributes to the passed balls/wild pitches. Their pitchers are throwing more breaking balls, etc.
     
  24. jon abbey

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    That is a huge disparity in WP/PB though, about one per 15 innings.
     
  25. terrynever

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    No question this is true. My point is about the disparity in wild pitches between Romine and Sanchez with roughly the same amount of starts. If this were an experiment, the pitchers are the constant and the catchers the variable.
     
  26. Couperin47

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    all of our pitching is finding a way to fail
     
  27. terrynever

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    A good reporter would go ask each pitcher in an anonymous survey which catcher they prefer. But players are too smart to answer that kind of question.

    5-1 Rays as Smith goes deep. Just the fourth inning. Here comes Boone.
     
  28. jon abbey

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    I'd feel worse about this if Sheffield didn't get shelled in AAA today too.
     
  29. terrynever

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    Holder in the fourth inning!
     
  30. tims4wins

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    Him getting shelled in AAA is making you feel better?
     
  31. jon abbey

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    About the decision made to not have him start today's game for NY, yes.
     
  32. terrynever

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    Holder fans two batters. And Sonny Gray is warming up!
     
  33. tims4wins

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    That’s some pre-2004 Sox fan logic JA
     
  34. jon abbey

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    I don't see why, if both guys were going to get hammered (obv we don't know that for sure), I'd rather Cessa be the one to take the beating in NY. If Sheffield had been dominant again in AAA today, then I would have questioned the decision more.
     
  35. tims4wins

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    I just mean it is never good when a top prospect gets shelled. If Sheffield had pitched well you could say “at least we have that to look forward to”. I get what you are saying, neither option pitched well today so it’s a saving grace. But all else equal you want your prospects to play well.
     
  36. jon abbey

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    Well, obviously, but I was talking specifically about Cessa being shelled and the decision to start him.
     
  37. terrynever

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    I wonder if Sheffield lacked focus today because the organization bypassed him again. That is a huge part of the mental game in high minors when moves are made, the guy next to you in the clubhouse goes to New York and you're pitching in a minor league park in front of 4,000 people.
     
  38. tims4wins

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    Yeah fair enough
     
  39. terrynever

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    Bird up against a righty pitcher with a chance to impact the game.
     
  40. terrynever

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    He walks. That's it for Faria.
     
  41. jon abbey

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    Yeah, this occurred to me too. Cashman did say on the radio today that Sheffield would be up this season, either starting or relief (obviously, but the point is he wouldn't say which and he might not know).
     
  42. jon abbey

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    Also today's start was very likely a one time thing, CC expects to be back in there next time around, so that might have factored in too.
     
  43. terrynever

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    I've seen it happen a lot in Pawtucket. The locker room dynamic really changes on the day of a promotion.
     
  44. terrynever

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    I think they just liked the way Cessa has been developing. Today was a step back.
     
  45. crow216

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    Nice night for the 1b umpire so far.
     
  46. jon abbey

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    He also got hit very hard his previous two outings, one in relief against BOS (maybe understandable) and one in AAA (much less understandable). I think they just didn't want to bring Sheffield up for just one start.
     
  47. jon abbey

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    This is why I think Cashman made a point of saying on the radio today that Sheffield would be up this season, agree that it's human nature to get frustrated.
     
  48. Couperin47

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    amazing, Sonny actually got an out before there's a man in scoring position...
     
  49. terrynever

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    Did not know that. Well, you gotta trust the baseball ops people on these decisions. Your theory makes sense, and is in line with what the organization has to be thinking about Sheffield.
     
  50. terrynever

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    What if Sonny goes the rest of the game and Yanks rally for a 6-5 win?
     

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