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#56 Jabari Bird

Discussion in 'Mark Blount's Port Cellar: Celtics Forum' started by ZMart100, Jun 23, 2017.

  1. HomeRunBaker

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    Agreed. When the better option has a bad game it's natural to long for the worse option in hindsight. Never did the thought of Jabari ever enter my head during that game.

    You shorten rotations in the playoffs to get your better players the most minutes.....not lengthen it to play the inferior guy.
     
  2. RetractableRoof

    RetractableRoof Well-Known Member Lifetime Member SoSH Member

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    I agree with the thought process.

    Out of curiosity, when is the last time you saw Nader have a good game? Or what does he bring in game that you like?

    I've come to see it as: Nader isn't going to be able to provide a long term contribution, but Bird *might*. If nothing else he might be of defensive value given his superior (to Nader) athleticism.
     
  3. Eddie Jurak

    Eddie Jurak Go Leafs Go Lifetime Member SoSH Member

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    For the long term, they are probably better off doing what they did.
     
  4. lovegtm

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    Yeah, I think the best way to think of it is: if Jabari is, somehow, ready to be a big playoff contributor, you DEFINITELY want an extra year of control given the cap situation going forward and the fact that the current team can't win a championship.

    If he's not ready this year (most likely scenario), you don't lose anything by keeping him off the roster.
     
  5. HomeRunBaker

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    This has nothing to do with Nader who I've never been a fan of and typical end of bench garbage. Two non-impact players neither of which will play, one is under contract and the other isn't. The only way you make a playoff roster move is if the guy is going to play like say a Ty Lawson.
     
  6. RetractableRoof

    RetractableRoof Well-Known Member Lifetime Member SoSH Member

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    I only asked because you seemed to be speaking to the Bird over Nader comments.

    I'd agree under most scenarios with your comment "neither will play", but as thin as the Celtics are at the moment, they would seem to be a twisted ankle away from needing another body. I'm not sure how the rules work with regard to adding a player (between rounds like baseball? removing someone from the 15 man roster?) but if they advance who knows. The 2 man game Bird was playing with Monroe tells me he has a bit of a feel, he's made me curious about what he is capable of.

    In this season of youth stepping up, it would seem natural to ruminate about the possibility of another young (relatively) unknown.

    Thanks for sharing your opinion.
     
  7. Saints Rest

    Saints Rest Well-Known Member Lifetime Member SoSH Member

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    I think that if we think back to the limited value (not zero, but limited) in the playoffs that Jaylen had last year in the playoffs, even with his superior athleticism and far more extensive regular season playing time, I think it's likely that Brad probably doesn't think that Bird doesn't have enough knowledge in the system to play the sort of team defense (highlight-worthy blocks aside) that he would need.
     
  8. wade boggs chicken dinner

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    Prior to the playoffs, the Cs had maxed out with 15 guys under K, the 2 two-way players, and the hardship exception. None of the two-way players or the hardship exemption could be on the playoff roster. If the Cs wanted to add Bird to the playoff roster, they would have had to sign him to a league contract. That would have required reducing their contracts to 15, which means they would have had to cut someone. The most obvious someone was Nader.

    From what I am reading, the playoff roster is submitted and set prior to the playoffs, so Bird could not be added at this point even if he signed a league contract. I don't know what would happen if the Cs were to experience a rash of injuries; there's probably a waiver concept but I haven't found any specific provision that would address this situation.

    edit: BTW, the NBA (and most other professional sports leagues) have disaster contingency plans in place were a team to permanently lose a bunch of players (i.e., worse than injuries). It's on the web if anyone wants to look it up.
     
  9. Cellar-Door

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    Not sure I see the point of cutting Nader to sign Bird not play him in the playoffs then likely cut him in the off season. Bird has more long-term value as a 2 way contract than eating up a roster spot
     
  10. RetractableRoof

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    Thank you for the explanation - but to clarify, I thought Monroe was their hardship signing?

    Seems a fair way to think of it - that does make sense - and clearly we don't know what is being seen in practices.

    Thank you both...
     
  11. wade boggs chicken dinner

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    Monroe was signed with the 15th roster spot. After the Kyrie trade, Cs only had 14 players under contract (Hayward, Kyrie, Horford, Jaylen, Jason, Baynes, Smart, Morris, Rozier, Semi, Theis, Yabu, Larkin, and Nader) with Bird and Allen their two-way players. DA left it open for buy-outs.

    The hardship signing was first Xavier Silas and then Jonathan Gibson.
     
  12. RetractableRoof

    RetractableRoof Well-Known Member Lifetime Member SoSH Member

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    Thank you, I've totally confused the Harworth injury compensation with the 4 injuries at once signing.
     
  13. lovegtm

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    Deleted: covered in other thread.
     
  14. nighthob

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    He gets a year to show what he can do and act as a wing depth charge, and if Boston ends up with a lot of draft picks next June, cutting bait isn't that hard.
     
  15. DannyDarwinism

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    Bird arrested last night on assault charges. Sounds like a possible DV incident.



     
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  16. Lose Remerswaal

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    He is "Under guard" at a local hospital
     
  17. DannyDarwinism

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  18. bsj

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    33's legacy is safe....Bird be gone...
     
  19. bsj

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    Question. That first year guarantee....can that whole deal be voided by something like this?
     
  20. bosox79

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    Good riddance. Way to throw away all that hard work, asshole. Assuming it's all true anyway, he's done.
     
  21. lovegtm

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  22. MillarTime

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    Was excited about him....oh well. If true, fuck him.
     
  23. HomeRunBaker

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  24. BigSoxFan

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    Moron. Career over.
     
  25. the moops

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    I would think absolutely yes
     
  26. Rico Guapo

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  27. Fishy1

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    Bizarre that he's getting evaluated at the hospital, isn't it? Or is that SOP in certain situations?
     
  28. HomeRunBaker

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    Not necessarily. For a player of Bird's caliber I'd expect him to be released Monday morning with a check and an adios. No sense investing time and money to fight the players union for relative peanuts.


    110. What is the league's domestic violence program?
    The league's domestic violence program addresses cases of domestic violence, child abuse and sexual assault, and covers such cases wherever they occur. The focus of the program is prevention through educational programs and awareness training. There is a hotline established for players, families and other victims.

    The league or players association may refer players to the program through a disciplinary determination made by the Commissioner, or as the result of a criminal conviction. A player also can voluntarily seek assistance.

    The program is overseen by a policy committee consisting of two NBA representatives, two players association representatives, and three independent experts. When a player is referred to the program an expert conducts an evaluation, and a treatment and accountability plan is developed. The policy committee oversees compliance and certifies when the player has completed the program.

    If a player fails to comply with the program without a reasonable explanation the NBA is notified and the player is warned. If he fails to heed the warning, he is then fined $10,000 per further day of non-compliance. If there is a substantial non-compliance or willful disregard, the penalties increase to a one-game suspension, followed by successively longer suspensions.

    If an investigation is pending the Commissioner can put the player on administrative leave with pay, but only when justified by criteria such as the nature and severity of the allegations, the player's history of prior conduct, and the risk of reputational damage to the NBA or to the player's team.

    On a positive finding the Commissioner can fine, suspend or disqualify the player from the league, and the policy committee can also require training, education, counseling and/or community service. The penalties are determined on a case-by-case basis, and the Commissioner can take into account both aggravating and mitigating factors. Aggravating factors include prior allegations or convictions for prohibited conduct, the use of weapons or other means of coercion, the use or threat of force or violence, the vulnerability of the victim, the presence of minors, and the nature and extent of any injuries. Mitigating factors include the acceptance of responsibility, evidence of self-defense, voluntary participation in treatment or counseling programs, and the player's character and reputation.

    The domestic violence program and policies also apply to NBA players and Two-Way players on a G-League assignment.

    http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q110
     
  29. JCizzle

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    Man, fuck this guy. Get him off the team as soon as possible.
     
  30. MuppetAsteriskTalk

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    This right here... What a bummer.
     
  31. the moops

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    I do wonder if the want the 1.4 million off the books to save on the tax though
     
  32. nighthob

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    If he suffers from certain classes of mental illness it can be (AFAIK it’s as much about the safety of the other prisoners in lockup as anything). I had a cousin end up with a 72 hour stint in a psych ward after getting arrested for assault in a fight brought on by something that he took that conflicted with his bipolar meds.

    That said SOP, as far as I know, if this is the case he’ll get evaluated by doctors and then arraigned and charged when the medical evaluation is done (at least that’s how it went for my cousin, he was transported straight from the hospital to the courts for arraignment).
     
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  33. DannyDarwinism

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    Still hospitalized, apparently.



    As far as on the court goes, Wannamaker is a better bet to provide production in what would've been Bird's role this year, and Dozier has more long-term upside.
     
  34. maufman

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    Didn’t realize that Jabari Bird and Jaylen Brown were teammates at Cal. (Bird was a three-year starter; Jaylen was on the team Bird’s junior year.)

    Not that that will have any effect on how the C’s handle this, obviously.
     
  35. Imbricus

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    Yeah, he was also pretty highly regarded at one point, then I think his stock slipped the year of the draft. I'm withholding judgment until all the facts emerge, but this incident doesn't sound good. I liked the kid's panache too. A shame, if he threw all that away. Hope he likes playing in China.
     
  36. edoug

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    There may be a big wall but he may not be in China.
     
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  38. nighthob

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    That was a long hospital stay, maybe he'd stopped taking meds and they needed time for the medication to kick in so that he was rational for court?
     
  39. Montana Fan

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    Or maybe this was a way for him to avoid having to spend time in Gen Pop.
     
  40. DannyDarwinism

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    Gen pop is a reference to prison, not jail. Though it sounds like prison is in his future:



    Jesus.
     
  41. Boston Brawler

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    Yeah, I read something about kicking her in the stomach repeatedly. Fuck this guy
     
  42. bosox79

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    I hate reading this. I hope she wasn't pregnant. What the fuck is wrong with people?
     
  43. nighthob

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    They don't psych ward people for a week to keep them out of lockup, and if they were just keeping him out of lockup, he'd've been arraigned on Monday morning. Meds issues don't excuse behaviour.
     
  44. Sox Puppet

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    Another take:

    ..... I can't imagine that there's another side to "strangled a woman a dozen times" and "kicked her in the stomach repeatedly before shutting her in a bathroom" ... but the article also says that he passed out from seizure-like symptoms, which hints at drug use or a psychotic break of some kind.
     
  45. lovegtm

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    Yeah, there's likely not going to be another side in the "Jabari Bird is actually a model citizen" sense, but there probably will be a lot more in the "holy shit this story is fucked up" sense.
     
  46. MuzzyField

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    Any ideas on how the NBA will/can handle this?

    He can't be allowed to wear the uniform again.
     
  47. bosox79

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    I guess Bird might get some sympathy if a pharmacist screwed up his meds and gave him the wrong thing causing him to go psycho. I really doubt that is what happened.
     
  48. nighthob

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    I'm sure the "other side" is that he's bipolar or schizoid and suffered a psychotic break. But normally that means he either stopped taking his meds (something that's common, but not excusable) or used something recreationally that reacted badly with his meds (again, something that's common but not excusable).

    Officially he's being entered into the NBA domestic violence program, so the contract can't be voided so far as I understand. The likely result of all this is that when he's eligible for reinstatement he's dealt to the Hawks for a top 58 protected draft pick that converts to an Arby's Gift Certificate when it fails to convey.
     
  49. bsj

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    Hope the Celtics do better than the Bills here
     
  50. AMS25

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    I agree that it's unlikely, but.... My son once went nuts because his meds were messed up. He bit me over 15 times and pummeled me so hard that I almost called 911.
     

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