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Discussion in '2017 Celtics Game Threads' started by Bob Montgomery's Helmet Hat, Apr 15, 2018.
24 points on eight (8) shots for Alfred J. Horford today.
I don't think Middleton got his shot off in 0.5 seconds. Yes, he got it off before the buzzer, but I think the clock should've started one or two tenths of a second earlier, and as such his shot would've been late. This is based on my unassailably rigorous video replay analysis.
How common is it in these last-second inbound situations for the clock operator to start the clock one or two tenths of a second late? I would imagine that's pretty common because they have to actually wait until the ball touches someone to start the clock, and therefore being one or two tenths behind is understandable.
And if it's common to be late, then my complaining is unwarranted.
Reaction time is between 1/10 and 2/10 of a second I think. At least it was for pigeons in the behavioral psychology lab when I was an undergrad.
Am I the only one who thinks that the rule that gives you the ball at half court after a timeout is one of the worst/most unfair rules in sports? Name another rule where calling a timeout improves your position on the court/field. Its a rule that they invented to fabricate buzzer beaters, at the expense of being fair in my opinion. The Celtics score to go up 3 with .5 left, and at that point it SHOULD be only a miracle 3/4 pass/shot that ties it. Instead the Bucks are given half the court for free and a legit shot they didn't earn. Not to mention it eliminates plays that are even more exciting (think of some of the great length of the court plays in the NCAA tournament. (Laetner's shot against Kentucky, Tate George, Danny Ainge dribbling through the entire UCLA team, etc).
Still average. Cant believe they gave him the max! /Boston Sports Radio
Maybe we should train hummingbirds as clock operators then?
I think you're right, but I also thought Rozier's ball went thru the basket with .8 or .9 left.
Couldn't agree more. It's not even half court. It's like three-quarters court. I think they actually inbounded the ball backwards to Middleton.
Agreed. If we are parsing fractions of seconds we can't have it both ways.
I have argued this many many times until blue in the face. It is the strangest rule in sports, though not the only egregiously dumb late-game NBA thing (replay is very bad until they allow the refs to call fouls).
People LIKE that rule and want the NCAA to use it.
Because it allows for comebacks and excitement like it did today? I bet ratings were pretty good for the OT
Yeah, I've been begging for that rule in addition to a shot clock in HS for years.
I'm sure that Jaylen didn't want to come closing to fouling the guy shooting from 35. We've all seen too many times where contact is called.
MIL with 20 TOs that lead to Cs 27 points; Cs had 15 TOV leading to 18 MIL points. Seems like the team that takes care of the ball the best is going to win the series.
Funny thing about advanced stats. Larkin looked terrible to just about everyone, particularly his 4 TOs (in 16.25 minutes) and 40.5% TO ratio. Larkin had a NetRtg of +43.8, by far the highest on the team.
Eric Bledsoe had the highest NetRtg on MIL's side.
That tells me there's something wrong with the metric.
Yeah.. I know. I think if I were to argue for anything it would just be to play the pass a bit more. Especially as the five seconds was winding down.
It all worked out in the end though and it took a miracle shot for them to tie.
FYI Ainge dribbled through Notre Dame
For the record, after the shot by Middleton, Brad was PISSED at Tatum. Tatum was covering the inbounds pass, so I'm not exactly sure what he did wrong on the play, but if anyone thinks Brad was ok with them giving Middleton a free look from there, they need to watch Brad's reaction after the play.
Horford played 44 minutes, 19 seconds, his most in a game in more than five years.
oral history from Forsberg: http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/...t-frantic-11-seconds-celtics-bucks-game-1-nba
I’m fairly certain Brad told him to follow the ball, wanting him to help trap wherever the pass went. He was talking to him about this before the play. I don’t know if Tatum could have done anything but it seemed like he just didn’t follow instructions
So the team that calls a timeout deserves to improve their position to improve the ratings? The NFL ratings were hurting this year. If a team drives 80 yards and scores to take a 3 point lead with 1 second left, should the other team be able to call timeout and get the ball on the opposing 35 yard line? The 52 yard field goal would definitely be exciting. Not fair to the team that just drove the length of the field and scored, but exciting!
Fwiw, heard a few takes today highly critical of Bucks coaching for not setting up a shot closer than 35 feet and saying they got (temporarily) bailed out by a miracle.
4th longest game tying or go ahead shot in last 10 seconds in postseason in last 20 years.
Also, Horford decided to do the jump ball in OT, which he usually doesn't do, and won the tip.
If you read that ESPN link, Brad was apparently mad because Tatum bit on a fake pass towards the hoop which possibly gave a bit of a better angle for the pass.
And Brown said: "I know Brad was saying just guard the 3-point line but switch on the flares. We're thinking screens are coming. He shoots it from the hash mark with 0.5 seconds left. That's a hell of a shot. Take my hat off to him."
So, they were watching the line and waiting for screens. He was a beat late when none of that happened.