Vollmer too. R2 and if I remember right ESPN had no tape on him. Obviously worked out great.
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I remember McCourty being a pretty consensus pick. A lot of people wanted Dez Bryant or Demaryius Thomas and were disappointed but he was still a high ranked prospect
Yeah I wasn't sure about that one being a true wtf, but I remember people not being super thrilled
The thing that made people mad about DMC was the networks calling him a 4 down player.
Joe Milton is worth a six rounder just to see him on the field in preseason throwing the ball over them mountains.
Harmon yes
McCourty definitely not. Vollmer maybe a slight reach but not really a WTF. Mankins was a semi-WTF
Williams was generally regarded as a 2nd/3rd round prospect. Given the projected scheme fit it made sense
True. Nice spur to go back and read the 2019 SOSH Draft thread. Man, we can talk ourselves into anything
Yeah I thought about those guys and N’Keal too. They were a little perplexing but they did make SOME sense and to me weren’t true WTF picks. The king of them all was Rohrwasser. They didn’t need that pick, he wasn’t even close to the best K available, and they used a real pick on him (not like a late 7th). It was utterly insane.
Maybe I’m just the eternal optimist but the more I think and read about Polk and Baker, the more amped I am to have them both. I think they could become a tremendous pair of WRs for years to come, especially with a good QB throwing them the ball, which we all hope Maye is.
I think it’s possible that we look back on this draft as one of the most significant in franchise history. No joke.
I know I need to pump the brakes a little but I’m really starting to love the potential of these guys.
I think it’s possible that we look back on this draft as one of the most significant in franchise history. No joke.
I know I need to pump the brakes a little but I’m really starting to love the potential of these guys.
For draft grades the question is always whether the grade is absolute or relative to what they did with the resources / picks they had? I don’t think the Pats get a lot of credit for taking Maye with the third pick. Any 6th grader would have made that choice. The assessment should be what they did with their other picks.
I'd give them a B-. The biggest factor being the Maye pick which was an A+ pick but I was worried for a second wouldn't happen.
I'd give them a failing grade on day 2. I keep trying to come around on the Polk pick, but I can't. He has a lot of flags in his profile and I didn't like him where he was mocked, let alone where we picked him. I don't like contested catch slower receivers and he was the 3rd best WR on his own college team with a late breakout age. You like to see guys who are studs at WR break out early and always be the best player on the field. The Wallace pick was a clear reach as well. Reaches can work out, but they've failed more often than not, so I'm not optimistic. Shouldn't have gone WR in R2 in my opinion after 9 went off the board before them. And it's pretty difficult to find a real LT in R3, let alone reaching for one. I suspect that people happy that we filled our holes will realize next offseason that the holes weren't addressed at all because the players won't be great. But I hope I'm wrong.
Day 3 they did a good job taking high upside bets, so I bump up the grade slightly, but day 3 doesn't matter much.
I'd give them a failing grade on day 2. I keep trying to come around on the Polk pick, but I can't. He has a lot of flags in his profile and I didn't like him where he was mocked, let alone where we picked him. I don't like contested catch slower receivers and he was the 3rd best WR on his own college team with a late breakout age. You like to see guys who are studs at WR break out early and always be the best player on the field. The Wallace pick was a clear reach as well. Reaches can work out, but they've failed more often than not, so I'm not optimistic. Shouldn't have gone WR in R2 in my opinion after 9 went off the board before them. And it's pretty difficult to find a real LT in R3, let alone reaching for one. I suspect that people happy that we filled our holes will realize next offseason that the holes weren't addressed at all because the players won't be great. But I hope I'm wrong.
Day 3 they did a good job taking high upside bets, so I bump up the grade slightly, but day 3 doesn't matter much.
Has anyone ever got back to see whether these assholes had any idea what they were talking about? I get not knowing 40 years ago but now we promote every mock draft like it’s Columbia University research for the atom bomb.
Has anyone graded these guys even 5 years later to see how things shook out?
Vollmer definitely was. As someone mentioned up thread the networks couldn't even find film on him. We picked him in the 2nd round and the consensus pre draft rankings had him rated as "priority free agent"
So what jumped out at me in reading this is that... aren't the criticism of Drake Maye basically the same as this? Bad mechanics and a tendency to bail from the pocket? (I'm not suggesting you were making this analogy or that Mahomes success predicts that Maye will succeed or anything dumb like that, but it is sort of funny.)
I think the obvious thing to say here concerning Polk is that Wolf is looking for certain things in WRs and you are looking for different things, and so you obviously don't like the guy they took. In particular, Wolf isn't looking for burners and you are. So, for better or worse, there is no way you are ever going to like what the Pats do at WR as long as Wolf is running the show.
The tackle position is more concerning, but, again, Wolf and the Pats were high on this player - it sounds like they considered trying to move back for him specifically, but then decided the safer course was just to take him. So, even though it looked like a "we missed the run and need to grab someone here" situation it was not quite that.
Overall, I'm ecstatic about what the Pats did at QB, satisfied at WR (I'm more inclined to trust Wolf than you, and I think Polk + Baker is a nice mix of going for immediate help and rolling the dice on a risker player with upside), worried about T. So, I'd go B+ as a grade.
I'm looking for great WRs, no matter what type of profile. If Polk turns about to be great, I'll admit I was wrong. It's not just the speed to me, it's the speed combined with the lack of production until this year. But hope I'm wrong
I'm super amped that the team saw the gap with the offensive talent and went out and got guys. Of course nobody knows if they're the right guys, but there's reason for hope. If we had loaded up on DTs, a couple of LBs, and ST guys, we would have reasons to be depressed today.
They addressed the right areas. We'll find out the hit rate on the players, but it seems statistically unlikely that they struck out across the board.
I can’t decide My favorite thing about the Mahomes pick is Sean Payton years later still being upset he was jumped or the fact the Bills gave it to KC and have spent years not getting past Kc.
Then this year Buffalo again trades a first rounder to KC to draft a WR when they needed a WR.
Interestingly, Mike Giardi reported that the Pats tried to move up into the first round, including trying to get pick #32 from Buffalo. (Buffalo sent it to Carolina). Since Caroline took Legette at #32 and Buffalo took Coleman at #33, Giardi surmises that Wolf wanted one of the two, probably Legette. Polk must have been their next choice and they thought they could drop back a bit and still get him.
