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2019 PGA Tour

Discussion in 'General Sports' started by TFP, Nov 29, 2018.

  1. TFP

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    So now no PGA Tour Live/NBC Sports Gold on Saturdays? Gotta wait for Golf Channel coverage to start? What a joke.
     
  2. cshea

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    Just wait until next week when some college hoops game runs 30 minutes long and we’re completely blacked out.
     
  3. FL4WL3SS

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    What's absurd is that the PGA tour has let NBC take over like this. PGA Live was amazingly good, no idea why they gave that up.
     
  4. Bob Montgomery's Helmet Hat

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    I follow golf pretty closely and I can honestly say that I've never heard of Adam Long.
     
  5. ezemerson

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    annnnnnd..... Tiger stripes his first tee ball
     
  6. cshea

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    Rahm is blitzing the North Course. -7 at the turn (played the back first).

    Tiger is +1 through 4.
     
  7. ezemerson

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    same for Rose -6 thru 10
     
  8. cshea

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    It is going to take a while to get used to watching guys tap in with the flagstick in.
     
  9. FL4WL3SS

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    i mean i heard these greens are pretty tough and two different types of grass on either course, but my guys have a plethora of 3-putts this week
     
  11. Average Reds

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    Man, it sure is.

    I’ll admit that I’m actually going to enjoy leaving the pin in this year.
     
  12. Bob Montgomery's Helmet Hat

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    There is some serious wood chopping going on right now.
     
  13. Deathofthebambino

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    This "pin in" rule has me baffled. Of all the rule changes they could have made, why that one? Was there some sort of uproar from players wanting to putt with the pin in? I've read somewhere that taking the pin out slows down play, but obviously, that's not the case with guys who are using caddies, so was this a rule that was really meant for the weekend hackers, and the PGA guys are just using it to their advantage? I'm so confused by it.

    For me, I'm a guy who always felt like I putted better on long putts when I had someone tend the pin. I generally look at the hole, look down at my putter for a practice stroke, then I look back at the hole and then I look down and take my putt. I always lost my timing when I looked up, and had to take a beat to find the hole, so I prefer to have the long ones tended, but it never even dawned on me that it might be advantageous to leave the flag in when putting (although I imagine if it wasn't advantageous, there wouldn't have been a rule against it in the first place). To non-golfers, I can imagine most would roll their eyes at a rule change like this, but IMO, this is a weirdly big deal.
     
  14. cshea

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    Spieth with an amusing triple.
     
  15. cshea

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    Primarily pace of play. USGA rule changes were intended to simply existing rules and improve pace of play. The changes were designed more for the weekend hackers than the pros. The PGA Tour could chose to make their own rule, but they pretty much never do that. It’ll be interesting to see if the green jackets make a local rule against it.

    Seems most of the pros are leaving it in for long putts. Only a handful are keeping it in for everything. The broadcast keeps saying Scott is leaving it in because it gives him a vertical point to help with his alignment. Curious to see how it evolves over time. The data seems to support leaving it in for everything, but a lot of players say it just looks weird or it makes them uncomfortable.
     
  16. ezemerson

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    the phrase "penalty area" is bugging me
     
  17. cshea

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    The knee drop thing is pretty stupid looking too.
     
  18. Bob Montgomery's Helmet Hat

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    I was thinking the same thing
     
  19. cshea

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    DeChambeau won in Dubai in a rout. 4 wins in his last 9 starts. What a run.

    Rose has a 3 shot lead at Torrey. Things can go sideways in a hurry there though. He did make two doubles and rinsed one on 18 for a bogey yesterday.
     
  20. cshea

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    Tiger is wearing....pink?
     
  21. johnmd20

    johnmd20 literally like ebola Lifetime Member Gold Supporter SoSH Member

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    Red and white stripes? Pinkish red?

    It's definitely different than normal.
     
  22. cshea

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    Pink stripes. Maybe he is an Ernie Adams fan.

    Rose bogey on 1. Maybe game on.
     
  23. TFP

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    God dammit don’t blow this Rose.
     
  24. TFP

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    How does Scott get free relief there? His ball was on a chair but it was in the penalty area. I’d assume he’d have to take full relief from the penalty area with a stroke penalty, no?
     
  25. cshea

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    Yeah that didn’t make sense and the broadcast didn’t explain the ruling at all.
     
  26. johnmd20

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    Another bogey for Rose.
     
  27. TFP

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    Jesus Adam. Missed an 18 inch putt for par.

     
  28. cshea

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    Rose with a 360 lip out. Another bogey.
     
  29. cshea

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    Good golf tournament. Time for a blackout.
     
  30. johnmd20

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    Rose and Rahm just hit drives and they landed in the same spot and ended up about 3 feet away from each other, in the first cut.

    They could try to do that 100 times and they wouldn't get their balls as close as they are now.
     
  31. TFP

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    I think it was the Players a couple years ago where Snedeker, Scott and someone else (I forget who) had their drives all basically touching in the fairway.
     
  32. cshea

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    So with the blackout, we still lose the 15 minutes, but Golf Channel is picking up the coverage until the basketball game ends. Progress.

    Rose lips out a birdie putt on 6. Nobody is making a charge but he’s left the door open. Could be a fun back 9.
     
  33. TFP

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    Rose winning so soon with brand new clubs is impressive.
     
  34. ezemerson

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    I really don't want to like him but it's hard not to
     
  35. Comfortably Lomb

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    He's running a weird looking putter too: http://www.golfwrx.com/542652/justin-roses-winning-witb-2019-farmers-insurance-open/

    Apparently he blows through putters, fwiw. Irons looks like typical blade variants, he's got c-tapers in them and I'd bet he was playing those shafts before too. A lot of these guys are changing equipment often. It's not like the old days.
     
  36. FL4WL3SS

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    Wtf, why? Rose is awesome.
     
  37. ezemerson

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    I know that's why I like him haha
     
  38. Comfortably Lomb

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    Aren’t there a few people around here who don’t like him? I don’t get it either—he seems like an OK guy who comes off well in interviews, really strong solid game too. Not flashy for a top of the world type player though.
     
  39. Deathofthebambino

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    I don't dislike Justin Rose. I just don't care about Justin Rose. He's obviously a great fucking golfer, but "not flashy" is putting it mildly. He's pretty much straight up boring. He's a guy who's just really good at everything, but not the greatest at anything, and doesn't really get the blood flowing for me as a fan. He really hasn't won a ton lately either. He won 2 events last year, and obviously the win last week, but besides that, he had like 3 wins since his US Open win back in 2013. And none of his wins have been really memorable in the last 5-6 years. He's a top 5 juggernaut, but I just don't think there's much there to grab onto, both in terms of loving him or hating him. He's just there.

    Jordan Spieth is a guy you love or hate. When he was rolling, he was making putts from all over the place, and hitting insane wedges and...it was just exciting.

    DJ, Rory, Tiger, Phil, JT, and on and on, there's just so many guys that I'd rather see in the mix on Sunday than Rose, just because of the personalities and storylines.
     
  40. FL4WL3SS

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    Sorry man, but you're wrong. Good golf can be construed as boring, but that's because you're not appreciating the intracacies of his game. Tiger and Phil are exiting because as good as they are, they are constantly having to make spectacular recoveries. That's not Rosey's game, but he makes the shots in big moments just as much as those guys, he's nails. The way he played 18 at Merion to win his US Open is the stuff of legends. Jordan Spieth is the epitome of boring, the one thing he did really well was putt, but the rest of his game is mediocre and boring.
     
  41. TFP

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    Spieth was first on Tour in Strokes Gained Approach to the Green in 2017. He was an elite iron player for that year. He was also 2nd and 9th in putting and 7th and 12th in short game in his career. His game has been way more than his putting, but it’s always been bad off the tee and is not good anywhere now. To call the rest of his game mediocre is the only wrong statement here.

    Excitement/boredom is subjective. Different people appreciate different things, so there’s no one right answer for what’s exciting. I like Rose and root for him, but I don’t think he’s an exciting golfer for the casual fan. He’s definitely more exciting for golf nerds, but his game is intended to be fairways and greens. He was methodical on the back 9 on Sunday and didn’t hit any “exciting” shots but it was impressive as hell.
     
  42. FL4WL3SS

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    You're cherry picking. I'm on mobile so can't really check for myself, but will analyze strokes gained across the important categories for his entire career.

    You got me though!
     
  43. cshea

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    I guess it is in the eye of the beholder, but I’ve always been a bit perplexed by the criticism that Spieth is boring. I can certainly see why people don’t like him- he doesn’t have an aesthetically pleasing swing, tends to play slow, “we”, the chats with Greller can be eye rolling- but to me at least he’s been in the middle of some of the more exciting tour moments over the past few seasons. He’s holed out from the bunker to both get into a playoff and win one. His Masters win was boring, but he has another one where he imploded on 12 to blow it. Last year he shot a 64 on Sunday to almost chase down Reed. His Us Open win was chaos. He bombed in a putt on 16 that looked like it would seal the deal and immediately followed that up with a double on 17 to send the tournament back into chaos. He did the same thing at the Open Championship when he kept his grand slam chase alive to the 72nd hole. Bombed in a birdie on 16, then bogeyed 17. His Open win at Birkdale was chaos. Lost a 2 shot lead, and then when it looks like he’s completely lost it, he goes birdie, eagle, birdie, birdie. I don’t know, I guess the flaws in Spieth’s game are what makes him exciting to me. You never really know what is around the corner. He could lose it completely or get on some ridiculous heater.
     
  44. TFP

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    I wasn't trying to "get you". You said the his non-putting game was mediocre and all he did well is putt. You can't be first in SG Approach and be mediocre, even for only one year. Same with being top 10 around the green. I thought his putting was overrated, his iron and short game underrated, and his tee game properly rated (as bad).

    I do agree that now all of his game is mediocre (or worse). It just wasn't in the past was all I was saying.

    I agree with all of this as well. And I used to be a fan but I'm starting to move toward finding him annoying, mainly because his act comes across way worse when he's sucking than when he's winning.
     
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  46. Papelbon's Poutine

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    The thing I like most about Spieth is that Masters meltdown. I had a prop bet on Willet and won a grand.
     
  47. Deathofthebambino

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    Yep, that's what I was trying to get at with Spieth. He elicits an emotional response, because of the way he plays and because of his flaws. It's exciting. I'm not a real big Spieth fan, probably fall more on the hate vs. love end of that spectrum, but the tournaments that he's been in the mix in have been tournaments that will be remembered for years, decades to come.

    That's also what I was trying to get at with Rose. He doesn't win a lot, and the few times he's won, he hasn't been really in dogfights or forced to make a huge birdie to stay alive or win. Just like this past Sunday, he's got a multiple stroke lead, doesn't do anything spectacular, doesn't screw anything up, and wins going away. At Merion, he shot what, 70, on Sunday, and won because Phil blew up, as did everyone else around the lead.

    I don't know what else to really call it, besides boring. Maybe methodical? The guy's #1 in the world, so I'm definitely not questioning his ability or his talent, I'm just talking about my opinion of him, and my opinion is that if I had a choice, coming down the back 9 on a Sunday, I'd rather see about 10 other guys at or near the top of the leaderboard than him, just because of the excitement of not knowing what will happen next. Would I rather watch Tiger try to hit a 210 yard cut through the trees because he blew his tee shot, knowing there's as much of a chance of him putting it into the drink as there is of him putting it 3 feet from the cup, or would I rather watch Rose hit another perfect drive and then throw a 175 yard 7 iron 15 feet from the cup on the "right" side of the hole? I'll take the former every time.

    Now, if I was betting on someone, Rose is the kind of guy I'm betting on, but that's not what we're really talking about here.
     
  48. TFP

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    Methodical is a very good word to describe Rose and I mean that as a compliment to him.
     
  49. cshea

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    The 70 Rose shot to win at Merion is kind of a bad example. The low round of the week was a 67. He put on a ball striking display, all 4 rounds 71 or better. I don’t know that Phil or the field really blew up as much as it was a just a really hard golf course (with setup issues).

    Anyways, Phoenix time.
     
  50. Average Reds

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    Rose also has that British understatement thing going on, and when he shows emotion on the course it feels very controlled. He's not Nick Faldo out there, but he's not far off.

    That said, I really like Rose. He loves the game and you can see it in his demeanor, determination and on-course reactions. He also doesn't take himself too seriously, as this moment from the 2016 Ryder Cup practice round illustrates.

    https://www.golfchannel.com/video/american-fan-makes-putt-100
     

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