Dismiss Notice
Guest, I have a big favor to ask you. We've been working very hard to establish ourselves on social media. If you like/follow our pages it would be a HUGE help to us. SoSH on Facebook and Inside the Pylon Thanks! Nip

2019 NFL News & Transactions

Discussion in 'Blinded by the Lombardis: Patriots Forum' started by tims4wins, Feb 11, 2019.

  1. Super Nomario

    Super Nomario Member SoSH Member

    Messages:
    11,791
    I don't agree with any of this. The contract is "front loaded" in a cap sense but not necessarily in cash. Signing bonuses give the player the present value of that money, too. And front loading to lower the guaranteed money doesn't make sense because obviously the player gets the frontloaded money; it is effectively guaranteed (whether actually guaranteed or not).

    The cap is an accounting tool. Frontloading from a cap standpoint is just an arbitrary decision to account in a particular way.

    I think the only real benefit is PR; it can be bad form to have a gargantuan amount of cap space and front loading makes it look like you're spending money and not tanking.
     
  2. jsinger121

    jsinger121 @jsinger121 SoSH Member

    Messages:
    14,345
  3. RedOctober3829

    RedOctober3829 Member SoSH Member

    Messages:
    36,565
  4. tims4wins

    tims4wins PN23's replacement SoSH Member

    Messages:
    20,295
    That's a big contract for a guy who might be over the hill
     
  5. BigSoxFan

    BigSoxFan Member SoSH Member

    Messages:
    30,273
    Holy overpay Batman!
     
  6. DennyDoyle'sBoil

    DennyDoyle'sBoil Found no thrill on Blueberry Hill SoSH Member

    Messages:
    25,348
    And just like that, the Patriots surge back into the lead for 2020 compensatory picks over the Ravens!
     
  7. RedOctober3829

    RedOctober3829 Member SoSH Member

    Messages:
    36,565
    Ravens let all their good young defensive players go and sign an oft-injured older player. This isn't the Ozzie Newsome Ravens anymore.
     
  8. tims4wins

    tims4wins PN23's replacement SoSH Member

    Messages:
    20,295
    Suggs and Weddle aren't exactly young, but yeah.
     
  9. jsinger121

    jsinger121 @jsinger121 SoSH Member

    Messages:
    14,345
  10. wade boggs chicken dinner

    wade boggs chicken dinner Member SoSH Member

    Messages:
    15,805
    Ravens haven't been shy of being outbid for young free agents. Not many of them have panned out either. You can start with Adelius Thomas and Bart Scott and go on from there - Paul Kruger, Pernell McPhee, Osemele, Ryan Jensen, Rick Wagner, Courtney Upshaw, etc.
     
  11. tims4wins

    tims4wins PN23's replacement SoSH Member

    Messages:
    20,295
    I thought the Ravens were supposed to be well run? These are two awful contracts. The days of Ozzie are long over.
     
  12. wibi

    wibi Member SoSH Member

    Messages:
    10,187
    Glad Earl got that contract and glad he is going to the AFC.
     
  13. jsinger121

    jsinger121 @jsinger121 SoSH Member

    Messages:
    14,345


    Source: The #Chargers agreed to terms with QB Tyrod Taylor on a 2-year deal.
     
  14. wade boggs chicken dinner

    wade boggs chicken dinner Member SoSH Member

    Messages:
    15,805
    If ET is healthy and stays health-ish, it's not a bad contract. Understand health is a major question mark so I guess it's high risk.

    OTOH, iIt's also a huge area of need for BAL - BAL's defense was top-ranked last year without Weddle or Mosley really being able to cover the middle. CF-type safety would really help Wink (I would think).
     
  15. RedOctober3829

    RedOctober3829 Member SoSH Member

    Messages:
    36,565
    Osemele is still a good player. Courtney Upshaw got hurt, didn't he? Bart Scott was really good with the Jets. Paul Kruger didn't work out after Baltimore. But if they thought their valuation of CJ Mosley and Smith was over what they got then I get it but don't go out and sign an older player for a big payday. That would be like the Pats letting Flowers go and signing Justin Houston to a 4 or 5 year deal at big money. It doesn't make much sense.
     
  16. Vinho Tinto

    Vinho Tinto Member SoSH Member

    Messages:
    5,430
    He may be permanently damaged from his injury, but he was an early favorite for DPOY before getting hurt.
     
  17. johnmd20

    johnmd20 literally like ebola Lifetime Member Gold Supporter SoSH Member

    Messages:
    36,900
    Le'Von Bell lit 14 million dollars on fire. And it's gone and it's never coming back. He got a nice deal, but I figure he would have gotten it anyway. Sitting out was a poor choice.
     
  18. dcmissle

    dcmissle Deflatigator Lifetime Member SoSH Member

    Messages:
    26,621
    Have no problem with letting Suggs, Weddle and Mosley go. No way am I jumping ugly on Ingram signing, especially with no idea of the guaranteed money.

    ET is risky, as you note.
     
  19. DennyDoyle'sBoil

    DennyDoyle'sBoil Found no thrill on Blueberry Hill SoSH Member

    Messages:
    25,348
    Can teams do physicals before 4:00 today? I was thinking Thomas was going to have trouble getting a deal without a physical.

    The deal is probably pending a physical, but I'm surprised the team would let the agent leak the deal until the physical was completed and done.
     
  20. tims4wins

    tims4wins PN23's replacement SoSH Member

    Messages:
    20,295
    Yep
     
  21. Ed Hillel

    Ed Hillel Wants to be startin somethin SoSH Member

    Messages:
    21,258
    Well, depends. If he was planning on eating pizza and drinking beer the next 5 years, this was the preferable route. He got to do it last year, now gets 17 million more in his pocket than he would have and can continue to the rest of his life. If he had taken it and quit last year, he might have lost money.

    My hope is these are his plans. You do you, Lev.
     
  22. BigJimEd

    BigJimEd Member SoSH Member

    Messages:
    2,518
    Maybe or maybe he gets hurt and ends his career. I don't think he's concerned about it.
     
  23. johnmd20

    johnmd20 literally like ebola Lifetime Member Gold Supporter SoSH Member

    Messages:
    36,900
    Sure. I guess. But that's an unknown. 14 million is known. It's what he didn't get paid for 2018.
     
  24. bosockboy

    bosockboy Member SoSH Member

    Messages:
    10,003
    He was offered 5 years by Pittsburgh last year. The year skipped didn’t benefit his wallet.
     
  25. tims4wins

    tims4wins PN23's replacement SoSH Member

    Messages:
    20,295
    Rumor is he was offered 5/$70M by the Steelers last year and got 4/$52.5M this year. Of course guarantees aren't 100% known, but still, it looks like he cost himself some money.
     
  26. Vinho Tinto

    Vinho Tinto Member SoSH Member

    Messages:
    5,430
    He got 2 million extra in guaranteed money vs the reported 33 guaranteed the Steelers offered him, but he will have earned millions less if he plays out the deal. The main upside to this rigamarole is that he will now play in NYC vs Pittsburgh, but that was never mentioned as being important to him.
     
  27. RedOctober3829

    RedOctober3829 Member SoSH Member

    Messages:
    36,565


    Jets Pro Bowl kicker Jason Myers left New York to join the Seattle Seahawks per source.
     
  28. tims4wins

    tims4wins PN23's replacement SoSH Member

    Messages:
    20,295
    And the extra $2M comes a year later, so there is some value to discounting for time value of money. I'd personally rather have $33M guaranteed in 2018-2019 and the possibility of being released or earning more in 2020 vs. getting $36M in 2019-2020 and then earning more.

    He lost. Period. Big time.
     
  29. tims4wins

    tims4wins PN23's replacement SoSH Member

    Messages:
    20,295
    When Gurley signed for 4/$60M Bell tweeted something like lol and y'all thought I was trippin

    Apparently yeah you were trippin, because you got less.
     
  30. 54thMA

    54thMA Member SoSH Member

    Messages:
    5,522
    With the Dolphins in full tank mode and the Bills being the Bills, the Jets this off season have positioned themselves nicely to be that annoying pain in the balls AFC East opponent on the road who fucks up the Patriots playoff positioning.

    Wonderful.

    Maybe Fireman Ed will come back now too in order to really amp up the annoyance factor.
     
  31. Saints Rest

    Saints Rest Well-Known Member Lifetime Member SoSH Member

    Messages:
    6,946
    It makes me wonder if the Jets will turn their envious green eyes toward the Ghost.
     
  32. InstaFace

    InstaFace MDLzera

    Messages:
    6,733
    Fireman Ed has already been back for a year or so, IIRC.
     
  33. DennyDoyle'sBoil

    DennyDoyle'sBoil Found no thrill on Blueberry Hill SoSH Member

    Messages:
    25,348
    Bell took a gamble and lost in part. But he has over 1200 career carries and had 321 carries the prior year and there was every indication that he was going to be worked like crazy again last year. He wasn't willing to do that for a guarantee of $14.5 million and by waiting he added more than $20 million guaranteed dollars. Maybe he could have gotten that from the Steelers but he was betting that he might do better. He "lost" that bet but losing in this case means more extra guaranteed money than his entire career earnings to date.

    It's really impossible to know what kind of contract he might have gotten after another 321 carries. In the end, for all the bluster, he chose a route that got him $35 million guaranteed. Maybe that ended up being a conservative play, but it isn't exactly unsound from a fiscal conservation standpoint.
     
  34. 54thMA

    54thMA Member SoSH Member

    Messages:
    5,522
    Great; the last piece of the puzzle was already in place.
     
  35. tims4wins

    tims4wins PN23's replacement SoSH Member

    Messages:
    20,295
    But reports are the Steelers offered him ~$30M guaranteed before the 2018 season. If that is the case it was a terrible decision, and can't be defended.
     
  36. DrewDawg

    DrewDawg Dorito Dink SoSH Member

    Messages:
    32,280
    Ingram isn't that bad though--last 3 seasons his ypc is like 4.9, he can catch the ball. Depending on how that contract is structured I don't think I'd mind it if I was a Ravens fan.

    I'm fucking glad I'm not though, because fuck the Ravens.
     
  37. tims4wins

    tims4wins PN23's replacement SoSH Member

    Messages:
    20,295
    $5M AAV to a RB who is going to turn 30 this year seems pretty stupid to me.
     
  38. KiltedFool

    KiltedFool has a terminal case of creeping sharia SoSH Member

    Messages:
    2,200
    The Steelers are generally pretty reticent with the guaranteed money, but they also have a tendency to structure their contracts initially so that they intend for the player to play and receive most of the money. They're not all that prone to giving out contracts with huge headline grabbing big numbers that amount to very little in real terms. Funny thing is someone tweeted at Bell last year to come to the Jets for $60M, he sent back something scoffing. Shockingly that tweet is now deleted. He's got some Beeman and some Veruca in him.

    Bell pulled an anti-Flacco. He bet on himself and ended up less well compensated. He's healthier. He's wealthy. He's someone else's problem now.
     
  39. DrewDawg

    DrewDawg Dorito Dink SoSH Member

    Messages:
    32,280
    Granted, but the market seems a bit nuts over all and do we know what part is guaranteed?

    And here are more takes that don't make this seem crazy in today's market:

    https://www.baltimorebeatdown.com/2...rl-thomas-rb-mark-ingram-nfl-free-agency-2019

    Saints offer was about $4.5M per season.
     
    #739 DrewDawg, Mar 13, 2019
    Last edited: Mar 13, 2019
  40. ifmanis5

    ifmanis5 Member SoSH Member

    Messages:
    32,970
    In a broadcast trade, Super Bowls are switching...


    Variety‏Verified account @Variety 1m1 minute ago
    CBS, NBC to Swap Super Bowl Broadcasts

     
  41. kelpapa

    kelpapa Member SoSH Member

    Messages:
    2,501
    He doesn't have nearly the mileage of a typical running back turning 30. He's had more than 170 attempts 3 times in his career. I think it's a pretty good deal, depending on the guaranteed portion.
     
  42. wade boggs chicken dinner

    wade boggs chicken dinner Member SoSH Member

    Messages:
    15,805
    Posted upthread an article from PFF about why Mosley wouldn't be worth the $ he was expected to get and he got more. Plus, Mosley has been playing behind one or two of the best run stuffing DTs in the league for last few years. Hard pass on him at the $.

    Smith I heard yesterday is the 5th highest edge rusher in the league except he's not really an edge rusher because last year he produced most of his disruptions from the interior. https://packerswire.usatoday.com/2019/03/12/5-things-to-know-about-new-packers-olb-zadarius-smith/. Maybe the Pack are going to use him solely from the inside but seems way too much for him.

    Finally if the Ravens are going to take a risk on someone, I'd say taking a risk on someone like Earl Thomas is the guy they should. I don't know if I'd give out that contract but that would depend a lot on how they evaluated the rest of the team. They clearly think that they have a playoff contender even while losing everyone that they did. It will be interesting to see if they are correct.

    As for Ingram, I will have to see how it is structured.
     
  43. steveluck7

    steveluck7 Member SoSH Member

    Messages:
    2,780
    He also averaged around 210 touches / yr for his 3 season at Alabama so there is some decent wear on the tires
     
  44. tims4wins

    tims4wins PN23's replacement SoSH Member

    Messages:
    20,295
    I guess I am so conditioned to hating any veteran RB signing for multi-years at decent $. The Pats signed Burkhead to 3 / $9.75M for his ages 28-30 seasons. You can debate the merits of each player but that's about as high as I'd like to see.
     
  45. Mystic Merlin

    Mystic Merlin Member SoSH Member

    Messages:
    29,493
  46. RedOctober3829

    RedOctober3829 Member SoSH Member

    Messages:
    36,565


    Lions free-agent DE Ziggy Ansah is scheduled to visit Buffalo first, then New Orleans second, per source.
     
  47. RedOctober3829

    RedOctober3829 Member SoSH Member

    Messages:
    36,565
  48. RedOctober3829

    RedOctober3829 Member SoSH Member

    Messages:
    36,565
    Watching the ESPN special, it stands out even more how awesome Louis Riddick is.
     
  49. tims4wins

    tims4wins PN23's replacement SoSH Member

    Messages:
    20,295
    He'll be a GM within a year IMO - if he wants to
     
  50. RedOctober3829

    RedOctober3829 Member SoSH Member

    Messages:
    36,565
    Eric Berry released from KC per Garofolo. That should have been expected.
     

Share This Page