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2019 Knicks: Living On A Prayer

Discussion in 'Mark Blount's Port Cellar: Celtics Forum' started by jon abbey, Feb 3, 2019.

  1. jon abbey

    jon abbey Shanghai Warrior Dope SoSH Member

    We used to have a mildly active Knicks thread here, but that was so long ago that it didn't even come up on a search. Since with the Porzingis blockbuster, they have again entered the possible fringe of relevance, I thought I'd start a thread...

    So you guys primarily know me as a loony Yankee fan, but I have probably been more of a Knicks fan over the past 40 years as a whole. That has largely faded in recent years, and I never underestimate the ability of Dolan's employees to screw up any and all situations, but this at least feels much more thought out than the similar attempt in the original summer of LeBron (2010). We'll see in July what they can actually pull off, but even the tanking is being much more successfully executed this time (so far, again they always screw this up in the final few weeks).

    So pulling numbers out of the air, I am going to put NY's chances of Durant at 60 percent, Kyrie at 20 percent, and Zion at 14 percent. That is a combined 1.6 percent chance for all three, but if they do somehow pull that off, there is a lot of talented and raw youth behind them:

    Knox (19)
    Smith Jr. (21)
    Ntilikina (20)
    Mitchell Robinson (20) (a 7 foot pogo stick on both ends, if he can just stay healthy)
    Trier (22)

    It's the Knicks, so they are going to end up with max deals to Boogie and Kemba and Cam Reddish at #4, but at least there is a flicker of hope for now.
  2. jon abbey

    jon abbey Shanghai Warrior Dope SoSH Member

    Title stolen from Friday's Post:

  3. Sam Ray Not

    Sam Ray Not Member SoSH Member

    Hmmm... I know I’m not the most dispassionate observer here, but Durant at 60% NY-bound seems absurdly high to me. I’d rate it more like 75% GS / 10% NY / 15% other, with that 10% NY including the possibility that Dolan sells the team (which I think would make it much more plausible).

    But even if it is 60% or anywhere close, I’m surprised that you would have Kyrie that much lower than him. I’d imagine they’re highly dependent variables. You really think Durant going into his age 31 season would want to be the only elite star trying to lift that team and its promising young kids to relevancy? I get that they have two max slots and there are other big names out there, but I don’t think any of the other names complement KD’s skillset (or skill level) like Kyrie.

    I mean, I get the appeal of being the Hoops King of NYC, and the Kleiman-Jay-Z-NYC connections, etc. But I still kinda think the Currygod will work his Charlotte-home-cooked sweet talk on both KD and Klay while they’re there for the All-Star break (sans Draymond, fwiw), and it’ll basically be over for both of them. The fact that Lacob’s gonna open the checkbook and give them both more money they can get anywhere else, unveil statues of them at the opening of the spanking new waterfront Ring Chase Center, and give them a great chance to be two of the three key cogs of the greatest basketball team ever assembled will be gravy.

    Win or lose this year, they still have a little work to do to put the Jordan Bulls in their rear view mirror. And while Steph and Klay would top King James in career rings with a fourth title this year, KD — whose whole career has been defined by being the #2 guy of his generation — would still need one more.

    On the other hand ... there’s James Dolan. And a stirring Bon Jovi song. :)
    #3 Sam Ray Not, Feb 3, 2019
    Last edited: Feb 3, 2019
  4. Bunt Single

    Bunt Single lurker

    Yeah, I feel as thought the James Dolan factor might be getting underplayed here. How will players feel about playing for an organization run by an owner as... well, as Dolanian as James Dolan has shown himself to be? I imagine many players might not care. But a player as astute as Kyrie? A year and a half ago when he came to Boston, he seemed very appreciative of the organizational culture he discovered, from the coaching on up to ownership.

    Now, part of that may have been relief at escaping Lebron-Land in Cleveland. Still, the idea of joining the circus that Dolan has created at Madison Square Garden might give him pause....

    At least, I'm hoping so.
  5. Royal Reader

    Royal Reader Member SoSH Member

    On Simmons' podcast reacting to the Courtney Lee trade, he mentioned that he "Knew for a fact" that the Knicks got a meeting with LeBron and Wade in 2010 and Dolan et al screwed it up as badly as it was possible to. I'd not heard that before, but wasn't surprised.
  6. lovegtm

    lovegtm Member SoSH Member

  7. Big John

    Big John lurker

    The gave themselves a chance to be relevant. It probably won't work, but every downtrodden franchise sells hope.
  8. bankshot1

    bankshot1 Member SoSH Member

    They could always have Charles Oakley,Carmelo, Enes Kanter and KP give stirring testimonials about the loyalty and respect that the organization holds for its players.
  9. cromulence

    cromulence Member SoSH Member

  10. bankshot1

    bankshot1 Member SoSH Member

    Sorry its been decades since I took the Knicks seriously.
  11. EvilEmpire

    EvilEmpire Dope Staff Member Dope

    Quit trolling the Knicks thread. Worry more about Isaiah Thomas' testimonial when the Celtics eventually try to convince Anthony Davis to extend.

  12. bankshot1

    bankshot1 Member SoSH Member

    But I thought his treatment by the organization and the very recent focus on organizational "loyalty" was apropos of a comment.
  13. jon abbey

    jon abbey Shanghai Warrior Dope SoSH Member

    Yeah, those cases are all pretty different and I'm certainly not defending Knicks management, but Kanter is a wildly overpaid sieve on defense who should STFU while he collects checks on the last sizable deal he's ever going to get in this league.

    The KP stuff is pretty interesting, I think in the end it mostly came down to his injury being terribly timed as far as his contact expiring. It's smart for DAL to roll the dice like they did, especially given the potential synergy between Doncic and Porzingis, but I don't think NY did anything wrong in his case.
  14. jon abbey

    jon abbey Shanghai Warrior Dope SoSH Member

    Also both Melo and Kanter are similar cases in that both had the option to go elsewhere for less money as opposed to staying in NY where they knew exactly what they were signing up for. Kanter could have declined his player option, Melo could have signed a smaller max deal with the Bulls, but both chose to stay with the devil they knew for more money.

    Oakley is the only one of those with a genuine beef, and yeah, Dolan is a massive ass, that is not news to anyone. I started this FB page a while back (2012?):


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