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2019 Dolphins: Flo Ridas

Discussion in 'Blinded by the Lombardis: Patriots Forum' started by sodenj5, Feb 4, 2019.

  1. sodenj5

    sodenj5 Well-Known Member Lifetime Member SoSH Member

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    Dolphins expected to announce Patriots DC Brian Flores as their head coach today.

    Coming into the offseason, I wanted Miami to retain Gase, then I favored Kris Richard. Flores seemed like a relative unknown, a guy that didn’t seem like he was ready to be a head coach after one season of being New England’s DC.

    Boy, did his stock explode during the playoffs. Have to wonder if all coaches weren’t allowed to be hired until after the Super Bowl, where Flores would rank.

    It’s hard to isolate Flores from Belichick since we all know Belichick is very hands on with the game planning on defense, but ultimately Flores is the guy pulling the trigger on game day, and he painted a masterpiece against the NFL’s offensive golden boy on the biggest stage possible.
     
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    That was my “positive” in the SB game thread following the Pats win. That idea that Flores would be the hottest name out there if coaching searches began today...so it actually is exciting to feel like the Dolphins had some foresight for once.

    I also feel much more optimistic about the impending hire than a month ago, even though my biggest takeaway from yesterday was that Jared Goff without Kupp, Gurley and McVay telling him what to do in his headset, is basically Ryan Tannehill.

    But as much as Flores stock has risen, it’s not even the biggest coaching move the team has made...the real hire that is going to finally change the course of this Franchise is Offensive Line Coach - Pat Flaherty
    No biases at all with that move lol
     
  3. koufax32

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    Has anyone read/heard any more detail about their Tanny plan? Cutting and moving on? Drafting a guy who sits while Tanny plays one more year?
     
  4. sodenj5

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    It sounds like they are going to look to trade him, and if that fails, they’ll cut him.

    I’ve heard nothing that suggests that he’ll be the QB in 2019.

    It seems that they’re eying 2020 for a QB, which IMO, is the correct move. Give Flores a year to establish himself without the pressure that a young QB comes with. There are basically zero expectations for Miami in 2019, especially without a QB. The 2019 QB class is asscheeks, aside from maybe Kyler Murray. 2020 and 2021 are far better classes. Use this year to rebuild the defensive line and probably the offensive line.

    Agree that it seems to bode well for Grier and Ross that they seemed to lock on to Flores before he was a popular pick.
     
  5. sodenj5

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    4PM press conference for Brian Flores today.
     
  6. shoosh77

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    I hope he doesn't throw a boatload of cash at Flowers as his first move. Double-in-Division whammy.
     
  7. sodenj5

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    IMO, Miami is in full on burn-it-down rebuild mode. Flowers is young enough where he could still be good by the time Miami is decent, but I can’t see them splashing cash in free agents for at least a few years.

    Save those dollars for when they have a QB on their rookie deal.
     
  8. InstaFace

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    I was not particularly pissed to lose Patricia last year. I am very pissed to lose Flores. The chatter about the defense this year made it clear that the cognoscenti here felt like we were absolutely maximizing our talent on that side of the ball - and while not having the depth of understanding of some others here, it definitely looked the same to my eyes.

    Congrats on what may turn out to be a good coaching hire. I'll be rooting for Flores as long as he's not a threat to beat us or take the division. If you want to get pumped, read this profile on him from 2 years ago:

    For the Patriots' next coaching star, the odds were incredibly long

    As a NYC resident I've coordinated some sports clinics in Brownsville I've seen firsthand that the kids there have almost no structure or support, by comparison to just about anywhere else I've seen or lived. Going to Poly Prep was already a 99th-percentile life outcome for him, to say nothing of Boston College, the NFL, and the incredible career he has carved for himself now.
     
  9. rymflaherty

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    I like that they’ve brought in three former Offensive Coordinators, and none of them is the actual OC.
    Assuming they all work well together, it seems like a smart move by Flores to make sure there is a lot of experience on that side of the ball, and it speaks well of him that he was able to assemble a staff like that and get guys to buy in to jobs they may be overqualified for.

    It’s still the Dolphins so it’s hard to muster anything beyond cautious optimism, but going off what’s happened and what’s been said this past month, I’m considering it a win that this at least warrants that and it’s not a train-wreck out of the gate.
     
  10. sodenj5

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    I like that Flores has essentially hired true offensive and defensive coordinators to run both sides of the ball. I’m sure he’ll be involved with the defensive side of things, but it won’t be like Gase, who was the offensive coordinator and so engrossed in game planning and play calling on game day that other things would slip through the cracks.

    Gase essentially said he was hands off on defense and let Burke run things, which was clearly a mistake. That arrangement might work better for him in NY with Greg Williams, but it was a failure in Miami.
     
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    Welcome home Dola
     
  13. MillarTime

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    Yup, no question
     
  14. BornToRun

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    This will be awesome.
     
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    Boyer to Miami

     
  16. steveluck7

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    Caldwell too
     
  17. sodenj5

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    I really like that Flores realizes what he doesn’t know yet and is surrounding himself with experience. Caldwell is an excellent resource for him.
     
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    For his sake, i'm glad he's hired actual coordinators and isn't going to fall into the trap of being HC and D coordinator.
     
  19. rymflaherty

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    Where does everyone stand with Murray?
    Tough to know where his stock will wind up, but I know at least a few early mocks have him in Miami, which seems to have captured the imagination of Fins fans on other corners of the internet.

    I’ve always argued that it was folly to maintain ridged requirements when it comes to size and other measurables, so apparently I’ve found my line with Murray, because he’s a guy that I’d be fine passing on. Even if he winds up an All-Pro, I wouldn’t lose sleep over the decision.
    That isn’t to say that I don’t think he can be a good QB. But I do think for him to reach that point an organization will have to make accommodations across the board (more so than a typical QB), which at least to me, kind of defeats the purpose of drafting the first round “franchise” QB.
    Then when you add other factors like experience, baseball still being a potential option, etc. it leads me back to the wait until next year plan. Although I will admit he does warrant consideration if he’s sitting there at #13. No way in hell I consider giving up assets to move up for him, or any QB this year.
     
  20. sodenj5

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    IMO, both Tua and Fromm are better prospects than Murray.

    I personally think that Murray goes before Miami picks. Some team will fall in love with him, and it might be a coin flip between he and Haskins for QB1.

    I’m not afraid of his height so much as his build. Russell Wilson has outlasted RGIII in part because he was built far better to withstand an NFL beating every year. Murray isn’t quite as slight as a Lamar Jackson or RGIII, but that’s probably my top concern with him.
     
  21. sodenj5

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    Miami hired Reggie McKenzie as a senior personnel executive.

    https://www.miamiherald.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/armando-salguero/article226425485.html

    McKenzie is widely regarded as one of the better talent evaluators in the league. He won executive of the year in 2016. My guess is that with Grier taking on a more full-time GM role, he’s going to be less involved in the scouting as he’s been in the past and will be using McKenzie to essentially fill the role that Grier was previously in under Tannenbaum.

    I think it’s another strong hire of a guy that has been around for a long time and is very well regarded.
     
  22. sodenj5

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    Quick recap:

    Miami loses James to Denver and Cameron Wake to Tennessee.

    Miami signs Eric Rowe to a one year deal and extend Devante Parker with a two year deal, which is essentially a one year deal because there are 0 guaranteed dollars in year 2.

    While it’s painful, especially losing a Dolphins’ legend like Cam Wake, this is the medicine Miami has to take. Purge the roster. Sign cheap veterans or underachievers, reset the salary cap, stockpile draft capital and right the ship so that they can have a sustainable plan moving forward.

    Miami not going out and signing the biggest, shiniest toy on the market is a welcome change.
     
  23. koufax32

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    Is there any chance that Tanny starts for them next year or is he a dead man walking?
     
  24. sodenj5

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    Everything points to him getting cut. I think he’s actually “too good” for what Miami is trying to accomplish this year, which is sucking and getting a high draft pick for a QB in 2020.

    Tannehill probably wins 6-8 games with Miami, just good enough to screw them.

    They’ll be eating his guaranteed money that they restructured, but I can’t see him playing in Miami in 2019.
     
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    Teddy Bridgewater visiting Miami today. Bridgewater is a South Florida native and was teammates with Devante Parker.

    I’m ok with rolling the dice on Teddy Bridgewater on a 2 year deal. If he plays lights out, you’ve found a QB. If he falls on his face, you draft a QB in 2020 and move on from Bridgewater.

    Feels like a gamble Miami should be taking, assuming the dollars are not crazy. Bridgewater was an ascending talent before his knee blew out, and now he’s a huge unknown.
     
  26. DeadlySplitter

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    so with Teddy going back to NO and Tannehill traded, who is brought in to "compete" with Osweiler?
     
  27. nattysez

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    Boom.

     
  28. CouchsideSteve

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    The Dolphins were my first love as a sports fan, and while I continue to be deeply invested in the success of the Sox and my college allegiances (K-State & Providence), NFL losses stopped stinging about 5 years ago. We simply haven’t had a team in recent memory that felt like it was poised for sustained success. Nor did my opinion of Tannehill ever exceed a 6/10 in his entire tenure — too many deficiencies.

    But today I’m feeling something about the team: relief. No more wish-casting on a flawed 30yo QB’s ceiling, no more patching the roster. Full and hopefully proper rebuild under way. I still have major reservations about Flores, but at least we’re going into a season clear-eyed for the first time in a long time.
     
  29. sodenj5

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    With Tannehill, the question will always be what if? What if he didn’t play behind terrible offensive lines for the vast majority of his career? What if he didn’t get pummeled to the point of his body breaking down on him? What if he didn’t tear his ACL during the best stretch of his career as he was leading Miami to the playoffs? What if he had a coaching staff the believed in him like Gase did from the start of his career?

    He was clearly a flawed QB, but he will always have my respect for playing tough, playing hurt, playing through pain, always giving the team his best, and always conducting himself as a pro on and off the field.

    It’s truly the end of an era. Tannehill may not have been the answer to Marino, but he brought stability and production to a position that was in a constant state of flux for nearly a decade before him.

    The rebuild is on. Grier is accumulating assets and purging cap, situating Miami to make a swift recovery if they can draft a QB in 2020. 2019 will be a tough year to stomach on the field, but the path has been laid to what should hopefully be greener pastures.
     
  30. tims4wins

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    Quinn traded to Dallas for a 6th
     
  31. sodenj5

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    So the week of the draft is upon us.

    Some names being frequently linked with Miami in round one are:

    Jawaan Taylor, OT, Florida
    Jonah Williams, OT, Alabama
    Christian Wilkins, DT, Clemson
    Montez Sweat, Edge, Miss. State
    Ed Oliver, DT, Houston
    Drew Lock, QB, Missouri

    It seems more likely that Oliver won’t make it to Miami. Lots of mocks have him getting selected by Buffalo at 9.

    Taylor may not make it to Miami at 13 either, but Williams may. Sweat is another guy that may or may not be there, but I like his fit as an OLB/DE that is strong against the run and has sack production numbers that look pretty strong.

    My ideal scenario is trading down. I’ve seen some mocks recently that have Houston trying to trade up with Miami to select an OT. If Miami can get an additional 2nd or a first rounder next year, I would be pretty happy.

    Miami needs a lot of help along both the offensive and defensive lines. I would rather have the extra picks to help rebuild.

    The other interesting possibility that remains is Josh Rosen. Peter King said in his article today that no team has done more work on Josh Rosen the last few weeks than Miami. https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2019/04/22/nfl-mock-draft-fmia-peter-king/?cid=fmiatw

    I would trade anything other than a first for Rosen. King speculates a third, but I have serious doubts that happens.

    It’s a near no-lose situation. If Rosen sucks, you punted a second or third rounder on a potential franchise QB and you can still draft one in 2020. If it turns out that he’s actually pretty good, you may have just secured the bag for pennies of what Arizona paid just one year ago.

    I would also say Rosen is probably QB2 in this draft class, maybe just behind Murray, but ahead of Haskins and Lock and Jones. You obviously lose a year of his cost controlled contract, but he would still be a first round selection in this year’s draft.

    Edit: just watched a recent clip on YouTube and Todd McShay said that he would have Rosen as QB1 in this year’s draft class. Take that FWIW.
     
    #31 sodenj5, Apr 22, 2019 at 8:43 AM
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