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Discussion in 'Blinded by the Lombardis: Patriots Forum' started by Boston Brawler, Dec 30, 2018.

  1. Cellar-Door

    Cellar-Door Member SoSH Member

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    Running isn't particularly important for the QB in Kingsbury's offense. last 2 years his starting QBs had negative rushing yards, and Webb at QB before Mahomes wasn't a runner.
     
  2. jsinger121

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    Unless Chad O'Shea is heading out the door with McDaniels it makes no sense to bring in Kingsbury at all.
     
  3. Kramerica Industries

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    Maybe I’m the only one who didn’t know this but I just learned Kingsbury was drafted by the Patriots in 2003. There is a connection
     
  4. Super Nomario

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    They need offensive coaches. McDaniels is the QB coach as well as OC and he was rumored to be bringing along Jerry Schuplinski, the assistant QB coach, when he was taking the Colts job. Scarnecchia (70) and Fears (64) are old and could retire at any time. That leaves just O'Shea and Nick Caley. If they could get Kingsbury to take the QB coach position, that would make sense. That's arguably a step down from college OC, but if he wants to get into the NFL, it would be a nice launching pad. But it's hard to imagine him staying in that role long.

    They may also see O'Shea as more of a position coach and less of an OC, though there's a good chance they lose him if they pass him over again.

    Do people remember the "Greg Schiano defensive coordinator" rumors from last year? I'm not sure if those actually had any merit or not. We shouldn't discount the possibility that Belichick is just meeting with people he thinks have interesting perspective, the media gets wind of the meeting and draws connections that may or may not be there. We know Belichick meets with college coaches and we know he doesn't say much to the media directly. Who knows what he's thinking?

    (apropos of nothing, just realized O'Shea was a teammate of Troy Brown's at Marshall for a couple years)
     
  5. steveluck7

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    Breer was on the radio last week talking about O'Shea. He said that, last year, when McDaniels was rumored to leave / actually agreed with Indy, the prevailing belief externally was that O'Shea would step in. According to Breer, that sentiment is not necessarily shared by the organization, for whatever reason.
     
  6. steveluck7

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    edit: double post
     
  7. Cellar-Door

    Cellar-Door Member SoSH Member

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    Kingsbury is getting NFL HC interview requests, and will likely have multiple NFL OC interview requests as well. He's not taking a QB coach job behind a much less highly regarded OC candidate who has far less experience as a team wide coach.

    If Kingsbury comes to NE it is as OC and O'Shea will either be gone or have something type of position/assistant job.
     
  8. RedOctober3829

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    I’m hearing Kliff Kingsbury is interviewing with NFL teams, which likely means he has resigned as USC offensive coordinator. USC was blocking him from interviewing foe NFL head coaching openings
     
  9. RedOctober3829

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    SOURCE #USC OC/QB coach Kliff Kingsbury is meeting with the New York Jets now regarding their head coaching vacancy.
     
  10. Papelbon's Poutine

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    I’ve always thought the argument for Rodgers was simply physical ability, not, I dunno how to phrase it but being ‘the best’. And he probably is in that regard. The GB front office has never given him a RB and his receivers havent done anything of note once they leave. They have O line problems that last years.

    But as far as physical ability, he obviously can move, he’s got arm strength thru Tuesday, outside a couple of his first couple seasons as a starter he’s never hit double digit in picks and has a good completion percentage. Yes he’s gotten added hype over a few Hail Marys, but whine Brady and maybe Brees I’m not sure who one would take and even as sentimental as I get about TB, I’d probably do a straight up.

    He’s had a shit head coach, who for some reason he basically kept employed; if JmD ends up there and they do a bit better on personnel he’d me a monster. He’s just not a young chicken himself anymore.
     
  11. RedOctober3829

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    Matt LaFleur is going to be the Packers head coach per Schefter. Where will McD land?
     
  12. Papelbon's Poutine

    Papelbon's Poutine Homeland Security SoSH Member

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    Where he is hopefully.
     
  13. bosockboy

    bosockboy Member SoSH Member

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    Sean McVay already has a coaching tree.
     
  14. E5 Yaz

    E5 Yaz Transcends message boarding Lifetime Member SoSH Member

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    Technically, so does Vrabel
     
  15. dcmissle

    dcmissle Deflatigator Lifetime Member SoSH Member

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    Matt very highly regarded during his stint in Washington.

    Josh interviewed for the Packers job, and I’m inclined to believe he is staying put. The stink stinks worse given what Reich has done in Indy. If I were Cleveland, I would not let him anywhere near an early turnaround situation that looks promising but remains delicate.
     
  16. bosockboy

    bosockboy Member SoSH Member

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    Yeah I believe he has burned the head coaching bridge for an offseason or two.
     
  17. Super Nomario

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    He turned down an interview with Cincinnati. It probably hurts him a little, but he's also picking his spots. There are eight openings and six of them are with loser organizations. He can't go back to Denver, he interviewed with Green Bay and didn't get it. We'll see what 2020 brings.
     
  18. Van Everyman

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    Is it wrong that I’m thinking Manish is making sense here? I feel sorry:

     
  19. Koji’s Slider

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    Josh McDaniel says “the door is closed” and that he’s a Patriot moving forward.
     
  20. Oil Can Dan

    Oil Can Dan Well-Known Member Lifetime Member SoSH Member

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    Again.
     
  21. tims4wins

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    Best news of the week so far
     
  22. InstaFace

    InstaFace MDLzera

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    Somewhere, Chad O'Shea weeps.
     
  23. E5 Yaz

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    Short-term, sure
     
  24. dcmissle

    dcmissle Deflatigator Lifetime Member SoSH Member

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    Except in the game threads.
     
  25. amfox1

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  26. amfox1

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    Nicki Jhabvala @NickiJhabvala 16m16 minutes ago
    The Broncos do not have plans to interview any other candidates for their head-coaching position, per a source. Of the five they’ve talked to, it appears the decision will come down to Vic Fangio or Mike Munchak.

    In other words, not Flores.
     
  27. amfox1

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    Remaining Dolphins candidates, per Miami Herald:

    Dallas defense coach Kris Richard.
    Kansas City offensive coordinator Eric Bieniemy.
    New Orleans defensive coordinator Dennis Allen.
    New England Patriots defensive play-caller Brian Flores.
     
  28. amfox1

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    Ian Rapoport‏ @RapSheet 41m41 minutes ago
    My understanding is that two finalists for the #Browns head coach job are Freddie Kitchens and Kevin Stefanski. At this point, those are the only two known finalists, so that may be it. @TomPelissero said Stefanski headed there now, Kitchens is still in the building.
     
  29. amfox1

    amfox1 Well-Known Member Lifetime Member SoSH Member

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  30. Van Everyman

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    Yes but can we trust him?
     
  31. Jed Zeppelin

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    Munchak? Woof. That feels like a Titanesque commitment to mediocrity.
     
  32. KiltedFool

    KiltedFool has a terminal case of creeping sharia SoSH Member

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    Hope Munchak stays where he is, he's been a revelation.
     
  33. Van Everyman

    Van Everyman Member SoSH Member

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    Is Vrabel mediocre?
     
  34. DrewDawg

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    Munchak had 3 seasons to prove he was mediocre in Tennessee. Vrabel has only had 1 season to see what he can do.
     
  35. Jed Zeppelin

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    Was mostly referring to their coaching history before this season, which goes Fisher, Munchak, Whisenhunt, Mularkey.
     
  36. E5 Yaz

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  37. cheech13

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    Still trying to figure out how a guy that just got fired from a mid-tier college program became one of the hottest NFL coaching candidates. I mean I've heard the reasons, but it still seems insane to me. Reminds of Lane Kiffin getting continuously promoted to better jobs despite showing no real talent.
     
  38. MillarTime

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    Easy...they’re hoping he can do with Josh Rosen whatever he did with Patrick Mahomes.
     
  39. Cellar-Door

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    He's produced amazing offenses and put 4 QBs not particularly highly thought of coming out of high school in the NFL, 3 as starters and 2 of those would be at the top of just about everyone's young QB list.
    College success is far more about recruiting than coaching.
     
  40. E5 Yaz

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    espn: As expected, Arians finalizing Bucs deal
     
  41. BigSoxFan

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    Mahomes
    Tannehill
    Keenum

    Who is the 4th?
     
  42. cheech13

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    Tannehill graduated before Kingsbury arrived, right? Mahomes and Keenum are really the only two starting QBs he's produced. Mayfield played under him for a year, but he lost the job to Davis Webb and transferred to Oklahoma. Hard to credit much of his development to Kingsbury.

    I still say he gets fired in three years or less.
     
  43. ethangl

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    Davis Webb and Baker Mayfield. And you’re thinking of Johnny Manziel, not Tannehill.
     
  44. tims4wins

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    Jets fans aren't gonna like this

     
  45. ConigliarosPotential

    ConigliarosPotential Well-Known Member Silver Supporter SoSH Member

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    The Kingsbury hire fascinates me. For one, he was hired a month ago as the offensive coordinator of a glamorous but lately very mediocre college team, and now he's an NFL head coach - did he and his agent wildly misread his market, or was he always thinking two moves ahead like this? For two, a lot of smart people have been advocating that NFL teams with bright young QBs should hire a bright young offensive mind as a head coach - not as a coordinator who might shortly run off to coach another team, but as a McVay-like head coach who will call the plays and fully own and wield his system. Kingsbury seems to fit that bill perfectly; he might flame out, but I think he's going to make the Cardinals (and Rosen in particular) a lot more watchable next year. (And for three, he's named "Kliff".)

    You know what hire doesn't fascinate me? Dirk Koetter to the Falcons.
     
  46. Ralphwiggum

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    So with all of the HC vacancies this year Josh only got asked to interview for two of them (Bengals and Packers), and he turned one of them down, do I have that right? And he lost out on the Packers opportunity to the guy who was the OC of the completely mediocre Titans. Does that mean his window is closed based on what happened in Indy last year, the 49ers before that? I know if I were an owner/GM of another franchise I'd have a hard time offering him a job, he sure looks like a guy who is afraid to commit for whatever reason.

    Don't get me wrong, I'm happy he's staying at least for another year, I just don't quite get what his goal is. If he's received some assurance from the Krafts that he's in line to be BB's successor, then why do any interviews? It is a strange situation.
     
  47. Super Nomario

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    He's failed once as a head coach, so he probably only gets one more shot. Green Bay is a good organization. His antics last year probably turned off some teams, but not all, since he got interviews this year. So I think it's a combination of:
    1) some teams will ding him for reneging on the Colts
    2) McDaniels has no interest in taking a head coaching job that's going to be a tirefire. He does want to a head coach, but only in a good situation
    3) He has a good gig as OC of the Patriots and he's well-positioned to take over as head coach if Belichick retires, which would be an ideal scenario. He probably hasn't been promised anything, but Belichick, Kraft, Brady, and Caserio obviously all think a lot of him, so he'd be the easy favorite
     
  48. Cellar-Door

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    Probably not, he's allegedly been picky about his interest, and most teams have a discussion with the agent before offering an interview, so he may well have limited his potential to a few teams.
     
  49. Van Everyman

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    Isn't it as simple as he'd like a good QB (either a HoF QB or one he can develop) and an organization heading in the right direction?
     
  50. bsj

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    I like Kingsbury. I think he will be a good coach.
     

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