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Trade deadline (Feb 8th @ 3pm EST) is quickly approaching. Looks like Charlotte has officially put Kemba Walker on the block and will try to get his insanely-good contract added to one of their crappy ones (Howard, Kidd-Gilchrist, Marvin Williams, etc.). Not sure if anyone will bite but Kemba is still only 27 and is on a bargain contract for the next 1.5 years. Does LeBron pressure management to trade the Brooklyn pick for him?
 

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Does LeBron pressure management to trade the Brooklyn pick for him?
We shouldn’t be too quick to assume that the Cavs’ FO has a coherent strategy, but if their goal was to win now, they probably could’ve found a better return for Kyrie than the BKN pick, an injured IT, and the corpse of Jae Crowder. Unless LBJ commits to return next season, I think the Cavs will hang on to those ping-pong balls, though they might try to move Love for a better-fitting piece.
 

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If you're the Cavaliers, why not strip mine the Hornets? The Cavs are fucked for the next two-three years anyways, and the Brooklyn pick isn't looking so awesome regardless.
 

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We shouldn’t be too quick to assume that the Cavs’ FO has a coherent strategy, but if their goal was to win now, they probably could’ve found a better return for Kyrie than the BKN pick, an injured IT, and the corpse of Jae Crowder. Unless LBJ commits to return next season, I think the Cavs will hang on to those ping-pong balls, though they might try to move Love for a better-fitting piece.

Who says no to BKN pick + Love for Demarcus Cousins?
 

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The Pelicans say no — it’s two dimes for a quarter.

That might be an intriguing offer if BKN were sitting on the league’s worst record, or close to it — but in that case, the Cavs probably say no.

A quarter that is an UFA at the end of the season on a team that will do well to make the second round of the playoffs.
 

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If I'm Cleveland, I'm not trading that Brooklyn pick unless LeBron agrees to sign an extension.
 

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A quarter that is an UFA at the end of the season on a team that will do well to make the second round of the playoffs.
Boogie is precisely the sort of second-tier player whom the CBA incents to remain with his current team. He’s a max-guy now, but he’s far from assured of still being a max guy in 4 years, so the 5th year is huge; the extra money per year is also not for nothing for a guy whose endorsement income will never rival his salary. I’ll bet the Pelicans feel very good about their chances to retain him.
 

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Trade deadline (Feb 8th @ 3pm EST) is quickly approaching. Looks like Charlotte has officially put Kemba Walker on the block and will try to get his insanely-good contract added to one of their crappy ones (Howard, Kidd-Gilchrist, Marvin Williams, etc.). Not sure if anyone will bite but Kemba is still only 27 and is on a bargain contract for the next 1.5 years. Does LeBron pressure management to trade the Brooklyn pick for him?
Denver, Philly and maybe the Bucks will be all over Kemba. Kemba with the Nuggets or Milwaukee makes each scary depending on who goes the other way.

And I would be shocked if the C's even call about him. He fits a need in terms of scoring but I cannot see him being happy coming off the bench.
 

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Denver, Philly and maybe the Bucks will be all over Kemba. Kemba with the Nuggets or Milwaukee makes each scary depending on who goes the other way.

And I would be shocked if the C's even call about him. He fits a need in terms of scoring but I cannot see him being happy coming off the bench.
Yeah, no chance the Celtics get involved but definitely think he makes a lot of sense for Philly. But I also don't think they'd be willing to give up whichever pick doesn't get sent to Boston for him. And they simply can't unload Fultz this soon (even though some in the organization would probably love to). Denver seems like the best fit and a team that could easily put together a good deal. Perhaps Phoenix would be interested as well.
 

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The Memphis pick is looking like much more than a "throw in" in any deal at this point.
Not to mention that the entire reason for the deal from the Charlotte end is to bundle the Walker deal with one of their awful contracts, meaning that Boston would need to move one of their big three to make it happen.
 

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Who says no to BKN pick + Love for Demarcus Cousins?
If the Pelicans fell out of the playoff race and dangled Cousins, Cleveland would certainly inquire and the Brooklyn pick would probably be in play, but there's no way they'd throw in Love too especially when you're talking about a 1/2 season rental.
 

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Hill would be a solid pick-up for Cleveland. He hasn't been himself this year, but that might be due to Sactown disinterest rather than age-related decline.

On the plus side, a deal like this would likely make the Kings worse next year, depending on what they can do with the freed up space. And they are already looking to be pretty, pretty bad.

Shump, Frye and Cleveland's own pick?

Edit- Under the Stepien rule, I don't think Cleveland can trade their own pick since they already traded their 2019 1st rounder. Or does the BK pick circumvent that? Maybe Cedi Osman goes instead.
 

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I don't think Philly will be in for him. It's not someone running the point we need. It's someone to catch and make 3s.
 

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Edit- Under the Stepien rule, I don't think Cleveland can trade their own pick since they already traded their 2019 1st rounder. Or does the BK pick circumvent that? Maybe Cedi Osman goes instead.
I believe that this changed under the most recent CBA so that you can trade consecutive picks as long you retain at least one pick in the draft. So they can trade the Brooklyn pick or their own, but not both.
 

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I agree. I do think CLE would do Thompson + BRK pick + salary for Boogie, but NO would say no to that (rightfully so)
If Cousins gets dangled I think Miami swoops in with a Whiteside/Winslow offer and that one makes a little more sense for both sides.

I wonder what OKC would say about a George for Love swap?
 

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Cleveland sends IT4 + Shump + Frye + BRK pick for Kemba + MKG. Hornets package IT4 to Celtics (use their DPE) for BOS 1st rounder.

Cavs add a prime All-Star, a young defence first player (MKG) and unload expiring contracts. IT4 defence is getting exposed in Cleveland.
Hornets reduce salary, add 2 first rounders and they go into a tailspin ASAP thus landing a top-five with their own pick
Celtics get scoring from their bench and video tributes galore.
 

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Cleveland sends IT4 + Shump + Frye + BRK pick for Kemba + MKG. Hornets package IT4 to Celtics (use their DPE) for BOS 1st rounder.

Cavs add a prime All-Star, a young defence first player (MKG) and unload expiring contracts. IT4 defence is getting exposed in Cleveland.
Hornets reduce salary, add 2 first rounders and they go into a tailspin ASAP thus landing a top-five with their own pick
Celtics get scoring from their bench and video tributes galore.
I would be lying if I said I hadn't thought of a scenario where the Cavs go after Kemba Walker and send IT the other way where Danny can swoop in and pick him up. When you think about it, short of finding an affordable, efficient scoring wing who is available - and none of those truly exist - Thomas coming off the bench for the C's fixes a lot of ills. He is still capable of being an efficient volume scorer, his defensive flaws wouldn't be as exposed running with the second unit and if anyone knows how to maximize his skill-set while hiding him, its Brad Stevens. More to the point, just about any other team than Cleveland would trade him to Boston for a fair price.

That said, I know a lot of folks in this forum are done with Thomas but, as some here have surmised, I am not. I would love to see him as the Celtics sixth man and I think he could be sold on it, especially given the complaints about him coming out of the Cavs camp earlier this week.

It won't happen though and my other dream of Lou Williams is now dead given that he has turned into a supernova this season. Instead, we may have to buy into the Tyreke Evans market at the highs. I fear, however, that his career high three point improvement is due for a regression and it would suck hard if it happened when the C's are heading into the playoffs.
 

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Marc Stein of The NY Times is reporting that the Jazz are making Rodney Hood available and several teams are interested. Would love the see him on the Cs. Seems like a versatile wing who can score a little. No idea what the asking price would be or if he could fit in the cap/DPE.
 

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Marc Stein of The NY Times is reporting that the Jazz are making Rodney Hood available and several teams are interested. Would love the see him on the Cs. Seems like a versatile wing who can score a little. No idea what the asking price would be or if he could fit in the cap/DPE.
I spoke too soon. Hood is exactly the kind of player that would fit the C's. Not a great defender but he is long, can create his own shot and can stroke it pretty good from deep (his career 3P% at ~ 37% is far more workable than Tyreke Evans' 31.4%!). He only under contract for this season and makes $2.3mm total so he is affordable too.

The one issue with Hood is that he is somewhat injury prone but given everything else, you absolutely kick the tires on him if you are Boston.
 

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I spoke too soon. Hood is exactly the kind of player that would fit the C's. Not a great defender but he is long, can create his own shot and can stroke it pretty good from deep (his career 3P% at ~ 37% is far more workable than Tyreke Evans' 31.4%!). He only under contract for this season and makes $2.3mm total so he is affordable too.

The one issue with Hood is that he is somewhat injury prone but given everything else, you absolutely kick the tires on him if you are Boston.
The Evans shooting percentage is weighted down by his terrible shooting earlier in his career. The last two seasons I think he is around 41 percent.

I like Hood and would love to see him in Boston and I think he might be cheaper and better than Smart.
 

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I would love to see Thomas back with the Celtics in a reduced role this season, but that can't happen due to the restrictions on re-acquiring players you've traded in the same season.

Rodney Hood is alright. Evans has been great this season but his salary is too large for the DPE.
 

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I would love to see Thomas back with the Celtics in a reduced role this season, but that can't happen due to the restrictions on re-acquiring players you've traded in the same season.

Rodney Hood is alright. Evans has been great this season but his salary is too large for the DPE.
Isiah to Celts was more of an emotional plea. I just hate seeing IT turned into the Cavs scapegoat, it looks like an awful fit. Maybe a team like the Sixers could use IT for their playoff push and engage with the Hornets. Really think Kemba + MKG helps the Cavs this year/next year and may sway Lebron to stay another season (not that I want that to happen).

Tyreke Evans makes $3.29M on a 1yr deal but ESPN trade machine won't approve him moving over. Doesn't Hayward's DPE cover his salary?
 
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The Evans shooting percentage is weighted down by his terrible shooting earlier in his career. The last two seasons I think he is around 41 percent.
Evans did shoot .438% from deep last season but in only 14 games. He is not really a .41% shooter from beyond the arc - its fools gold. He is neither dependable nor durable.
 

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Tyreke Evans makes $3.29M on a 1yr deal but ESPN trade machine won't approve him moving over. Doesn't Hayward's DPE cover his salary?
They don't have the DPE as an option going to MEM. Not sure why. But it absolutely would cover his salary. I am sure MEM is holding out for a first round pick, but I think there is zero chance anyone offers that for Evans. A decent 2nd round pick may get it done though. Something that BOS does not have unless they put protections on the LAC pick, but that doesn't convey as a 2nd round pick until 2022
 

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They don't have the DPE as an option going to MEM. Not sure why. But it absolutely would cover his salary. I am sure MEM is holding out for a first round pick, but I think there is zero chance anyone offers that for Evans. A decent 2nd round pick may get it done though. Something that BOS does not have unless they put protections on the LAC pick, but that doesn't convey as a 2nd round pick until 2022
It doesn't work on the trade machine because you can't trade the exception. The teams would have to work out a trade that's acceptable to both and Boston doesn't have to have the cap room to absorb him because his contract fits the parameters of the DPE.
 

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I do wish the trade machine was more robust. Would be nice if it listed exceptions and future draft picks. And if it knew how those exceptions worked and whether or not any future picks are tradable or not
 

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I do wish the trade machine was more robust. Would be nice if it listed exceptions and future draft picks. And if it knew how those exceptions worked and whether or not any future picks are tradable or not
It lists the exceptions but doesn't let you use it as part of an acquisition. Such as if this trade works out they could absorb Player X onto the cap.
 

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They don't have the DPE as an option going to MEM. Not sure why. But it absolutely would cover his salary. I am sure MEM is holding out for a first round pick, but I think there is zero chance anyone offers that for Evans. A decent 2nd round pick may get it done though. Something that BOS does not have unless they put protections on the LAC pick, but that doesn't convey as a 2nd round pick until 2022
To be brutally frank Boston doesn’t need its own first round pick this year. His defense still isn’t great, although it’s good enough for the role Boston would be using him in (second unit shot creation and scoring).
 

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To be brutally frank Boston doesn’t need its own first round pick this year. His defense still isn’t great, although it’s good enough for the role Boston would be using him in (second unit shot creation and scoring).
I would love to pick up Tyreke. Playmaking, and I personally buy the transformation from three point land - the volume of threes he's taken has gone up drastically. It's really hard to do that AND improve your efficiency and have it just be a fluke.
 

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I would love to pick up Tyreke. Playmaking, and I personally buy the transformation from three point land - the volume of threes he's taken has gone up drastically. It's really hard to do that AND improve your efficiency and have it just be a fluke.
Maybe. Thing is, the body of evidence for a guy who is in his ninth year in the league suggests otherwise though I do have to issue a correction - Evans shot 40.5% from deep in 40 (and not 14) games last season. Prior to that, he had shown improvement from beyond the arc but I would expect low to mid 30s versus 40% shooting going forward. That said, he is likely the best, most affordable option for what the C's need.
 

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I would love to see Thomas back with the Celtics in a reduced role this season, but that can't happen due to the restrictions on re-acquiring players you've traded in the same season.
Damn, I forgot the season started July 1, 2017. Good catch.
 

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Ainge supposedly loved Evans coming out of th he draft in 2009 (he was picked 4th) and was rumored to be considering trading Ray Allen for him.
 

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If Nader/Larkin gets it done for Tyreke, then I think Danny would pull that trigger in less than a nanosecond. I just really, really, really don't think that gets it done. Evans is on the verge of being a pretty special player in the league, IMO. And Nader/Larkin, well, they just aren't..
I was answering Moops' question on how the Celts could add both Tyreke Evans and Greg Monroe, cap wise.

Agree that Nader + Larkin for Evans would be a Danny Special, NBA GMs are probably not that excited to take calls from Ainge. It all depends on how Memphis views Nader since he is under team control for 3 more seasons on the cheap ($1.6M per). Tyreke Evans goes to the highest bidder at the end of the season, so Memphis should be looking to add some young/controllable players or draft picks. I guess Danny could include a future 2nd rounder to sweeten it and that package would be greater than our late first-round pick.
 

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Evans did shoot .438% from deep last season but in only 14 games. He is not really a .41% shooter from beyond the arc - its fools gold. He is neither dependable nor durable.
Tyreke's 3-point pct by age year......

20 - 25.5%
21 - 29.1%
22 - 20.2%
23 - 33.8%
24 - 22.1%
25 - 30.4%
26 - 38.8%
27 - 35.6%
28 - 39.8%
(projecting over 450 attempts)

Maybe Evan's isn't a 41% 3-point shooter but he's darn close. The shooting progression in his numbers, as well as his much-improved mechanics, are clear that the days of him being a bricklayer are behind him.

As moondog said above, Ainge LOVED him coming out of Memphis but if you think Nader and Larkin is going to get it done that simply isn't being realistic.
 

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I would love to pick up Tyreke. Playmaking, and I personally buy the transformation from three point land - the volume of threes he's taken has gone up drastically. It's really hard to do that AND improve your efficiency and have it just be a fluke.
Evans is a spot shooter, look at his shot charts, the harder it is to see the inner rectangle the worse he is. But Boston doesn’t need him to be a pure scorer, he just needs to knock down open shots and generate offense on the second team.
 

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Considering what Brad got out of Evan Turner, I think Evans is a slam dunk in Boston.
 

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As moondog said above, Ainge LOVED him coming out of Memphis but if you think Nader and Larkin is going to get it done that simply isn't being realistic.
Agreed it probably doesn't get it done.

The question was how could we add both Monroe and Evans? It was more of a salary cap, use of DPE question posed by Moops on the game thread.

My point was to save the DPE for Monroe (IF he is bought out by Phoenix) and use Larkin/Nader contracts to match up with Evans cheap contract. I have zero idea how Memphis feels about 3yrs of control of Nader, Shane Larkin or what draft picks they want. The point is the Celtics could potentially get Evans/Monroe without losing any of their key players/assets and fit it under their cap.
 

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I don't see how Monroe is on Ainge's radar. He can't do what Brad needs him to do offensively in Horford/Theis roles. They initiate the offense from the 5 and play pick-n-pop which is how we space our offense. Monroe is an awful fit for us not to mention his contract for a limited role.
 

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I don't see how Monroe is on Ainge's radar. He can't do what Brad needs him to do offensively in Horford/Theis roles. They initiate the offense from the 5 and play pick-n-pop which is how we space our offense. Monroe is an awful fit for us not to mention his contract for a limited role.
I'm not driving the Monroe bus, but what is Theis doing on offense the Monroe couldn't? In ~13mpg Theis is scoring 4.8pts and .6 assists. I would ask the same question of Nerlens Noel, whom I do pine irrationally for. Is it perhaps that Monroe simply wouldn't do what was asked? That seems plausible. Anyway, the idea that a largely one dimensional big can't bring value in this system seems inaccurate, especially when Brad gets to play him in limited minutes of his choosing.
 

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I don't see how Monroe is on Ainge's radar. He can't do what Brad needs him to do offensively in Horford/Theis roles. They initiate the offense from the 5 and play pick-n-pop which is how we space our offense. Monroe is an awful fit for us not to mention his contract for a limited role.
Monroe would be #11/12 in the rotation (very limited role) and be used strictly if there is a matchup advantage down low with the 2nd unit (see Adams/Cavs game yesterday).

Monroe's contract would be bought out by Phoenix before the Celtics would consider adding him.
 

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Monroe would be #11/12 in the rotation (very limited role) and be used strictly if there is a matchup advantage down low with the 2nd unit (see Adams/Cavs game yesterday).

Monroe's contract would be bought out by Phoenix before the Celtics would consider adding him.
Monroe could be used against bigs if needed and fill in if one of Horford or Morris goes down. If released he would only cost money/DPE. Not sure who out there is better but I hope to be surprised.

Larkin and Nader + for Evans seems fair as well. I like Larkin but the Celts don't control him contract wise and Evans would be a huge upgrade for the second unit.