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2018 Tom M-F&^%$ing Brady: Still Proving It

Discussion in 'Blinded by the Lombardis: Patriots Forum' started by InstaFace, Oct 1, 2018.

  1. simplyeric

    simplyeric aggressively nonsensical SoSH Member

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    With all the subsequent comments, I feel like your original post must have read something like "Pats are 1-12 when not scoring any points".
     
  2. DennyDoyle'sBoil

    DennyDoyle'sBoil Found no thrill on Blueberry Hill SoSH Member

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    There's another crazy Brady stat that was going after they beat Atlanta in the Super Bowl. I can't remember it exactly. I think it was playoff wins when attempting at least 50 passes. Brady is 6-2 and I think the rest of the league had virtually none or certainly fewer than 6.

    I guess that's a stat partly about Brady and partly about Belichick. Belichick will run 50 times or pass 50 times. He's really not about balance. But it also is about Brady's ability to come back and win games even where he is arguably one dimensional.
     
  3. Brand Name

    Brand Name thinks there's no 'i' in denial Staff Member Dope Lifetime Member SoSH Member

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    If nothing else, here are the specifics of the bolded stat: Brady has 6 playoff wins (and two losses, fantastic memory) when attempting 50+ passes. Fouts, Kosar, and Eli have one each, with no losses. That's the complete list.

    Others to have 50+ attempts, all winless in such attempts are:

    0-3: Jim Kelly
    0-2: Brees, George, Marino, Moon
    0-1: Aikman, Bledsoe, Todd Collins, Cunningham, Dalton, Krieg, Lomax, Luck, McNabb*, O'Donnell, Rivers*, Big Ben, Schaub*, Jay Schroeder, Alex Smith*, Testaverde, Richard Todd, Danny White, Steve Young

    *Faced New England in the BB/TB era in such a game.
     
  4. Van Everyman

    Van Everyman Member SoSH Member

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    Yeah, the big thing about Belichick is that there is no big thing -- he does what it takes to win given what he has on the roster. This year they were stronger in the run game than in the passing game in some respects so even tho he had Tom M-F&^%$ing Brady under center, he was happy to ram the ball down people's throats as much as it took. And then when they needed to throw the ball, they had a guy who wasn't too bad at it ...
     
  5. tims4wins

    tims4wins PN23's replacement SoSH Member

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    Deserved. My bad.
     
  6. tims4wins

    tims4wins PN23's replacement SoSH Member

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    Brady 6-2.

    All other QBs 1-11 since 1999. For some reason pro football reference doesn't work pre-1999 for my search
     
  7. Harry Hooper

    Harry Hooper Well-Known Member Lifetime Member SoSH Member

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    [​IMG]

    Major, right now you got me about as confused as I ever hope to be.
     
  8. Brand Name

    Brand Name thinks there's no 'i' in denial Staff Member Dope Lifetime Member SoSH Member

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    You searched by position, which only goes back to 1999, in addition to pass attempts. Given no non-QB will ever throw 50+ times in a playoff game, it's an unnecessarily filter to Play Index. As you see by my post above, other QBs all time are 3-30, 0-4 when facing BB/TB.
     
  9. tims4wins

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    Ah thanks
     
  10. BaseballJones

    BaseballJones goalpost mover SoSH Member

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    Tom Brady's three "careers":

    2000-2006
    70-24 (.745) regular season
    12-2 (.857) post season
    5 division titles
    3 AFC championships
    3 Super Bowl titles
    1896-3064 (61.9%), 21,564 yds, 7.0 y/a, 147 td, 78 int, 88.4 rating
    3 pro bowls
    2 Super Bowl MVP

    2007-2013
    78-19 (.804) regular season
    6-6 (.500) post season
    6 division titles
    2 AFC championships
    2282-3522 (64.8%), 27,585 yds, 7.8 y/a, 212 td, 56 int, 102.2 rating
    6 pro bowls
    2 first team all-pro
    2 MVP

    2014-2018
    59-17 (.776) regular season
    12-2 (.857) post season
    5 division titles
    4 AFC championships
    3 Super Bowl titles
    1826-2789 (65.5%), 21,365 yds, 7.7 y/a, 158 td, 37 int, 101.9 rating
    5 pro bowls
    1 first team all-pro
    1 MVP


    I'd categorize the first "career" as him being a championship winner but not necessarily a great stat guy. I'd categorize the second "career" as putting up insane, Peyton Manning-like stats, but who couldn't win a title. I'd categorize the third "career" as winning championships AND putting up insane stats. This third "career" is basically the first two put together.

    Just unfathomably great.
     
  11. lexrageorge

    lexrageorge Member SoSH Member

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    In the FWIW department, Brady's record when throwing 50 passes (combined playoffs and regular season) is just absurd when compared to other QB's:

    https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.c...s-when-theyre-losing-tom-brady-passes-to-win/

    This link is a year old, but Brady was 19-9 at the time. Brees, Manning, and Marino are a combined 13-39.
     
  12. Super Nomario

    Super Nomario Member SoSH Member

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    FWIW Brady didn't hit 50 passes in a game this year.
     
  13. simplyeric

    simplyeric aggressively nonsensical SoSH Member

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    Cliff!
     
  14. lexrageorge

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    Brady averaged 36.6 pass attempts during the regular season, and 41.7 in the playoffs.

    In the 5 regular season losses, Brady averaged 36.2. So, I guess the trend continues: when Tom passes, good things happen.
     
  15. tims4wins

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    Through 5 seasons as a pro Brady finished more playoff games than Garropolo finished regular season starts.
     
  16. Hendu for Kutch

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    Garropolo and Brady are #2 and #3 in QB career winning percentage in NFL history (min 10 games). Brady would have to win his next 44 games in a row to pull ahead of Garropolo. Alternately, if Garropolo loses his next start, Brady would have to lose 19 straight games to fall behind him again.

    Math is simultaneously stupid and fun when playing with wildly different sample sizes.
     
  17. tims4wins

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    It’s not manipulating numbers to say that Garropolo has started 10 NFL games and has only finished 8 of them, the other 2 of which he has suffered serious or semi serious injuries. It’s just an interesting stat to me. Jimmy is going into his 6th year and has played start to finish in 8 games. That’s pretty crazy considering what the Niners are paying him.
     
  18. Van Everyman

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    I’ve said about a thousand times on this board that Brady’s most underrated skills are knowing when to throw the ball away and staying healthy. While a guy like Rodgers can’t stay on the field for a full season, and Ben is constantly giving starts to the likes of Charlie Batch, the fact that Brady has literally had two injuries in 18 years that have caused him to miss time is utterly remarkable and not some function of QB rules today. Meanwhile, and as much as I liked him, there is literally no evidence at all that Garropolo can play for more than a handful of games without getting carried off the field.
     
  19. BaseballJones

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    You're right Van Everyman that Brady has a great ability to avoid injury, but there's no doubt that rules matter. Think about the play in the Super Bowl when Donald threw Brady to the ground. The ref came over and warned Donald to take it easy or he'd flag him. I can't imagine a ref saying that to Lawrence Taylor as he buries Joe Montana. What they used to be able to do to quarterbacks...well...if Brady was subject to THAT (and he does take some hits), there's a very good chance he'd have missed many more games in his career.

    Then again, watch here:



    and fast forward to 2:46 and you'll see Brady get absolutely LIT UP and he got back up and kept going. So who knows.
     
  20. Ed Hillel

    Ed Hillel Wants to be startin somethin SoSH Member

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    Every time someone calls Brady a wuss or says he would never have survived the Montana NFL (which the NFL was Brady’s first 7 years btw), I show them this hit:



    Jesus Christ.
     
  21. BaseballJones

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    Yeah that's the one I just referred to in the post above yours. Holy crap.

    It is unbelievable when people call Brady a "pretty boy" (which has happened numerous times by various people in the media) simply because, like other quarterbacks in today's game, the refs call roughing the passer penalties on occasion with him. Clearly, he's a very very very tough son of a gun.
     
  22. Hendu for Kutch

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    Sorry man, I realize reading back what I wrote it looks like I was criticizing you. That wasn't the case at all, I was chuckling to myself about how one loss by Garropolo could swing those numbers by 63 games on Brady's side.

    My bad, apologies for being unclear on that one.
     
  23. tims4wins

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    No worries. I'm confident in saying Jimmy won't touch Brady's W-L % in the end.
     
  24. CantKeepmedown

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    Certainly not as bad as the Buffalo one, but I always thought the hit he took against Denver (Dumervil) was pretty nasty. The fact that he held onto the ball and popped right back up is pretty crazy.

     
  25. BaseballJones

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    I'm surprised he didn't break his right forearm or wrist on that play. Dumervil's helmet drives right into it.

    Then remember the spear in the back he took by Ray Lewis when he scored a goal line TD?

     
  26. johnmd20

    johnmd20 literally like ebola Lifetime Member Gold Supporter SoSH Member

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    You break bones with leverage, not straight on impact, unless it's a car crash. That's why Alex Smith broke 40 bones in his leg, or because Allen Hurns ankle snapped like a twig, because their legs were wedged against an opposing force.

    Brady gets hit straight on in the forearm, but his arm went with the hit, not against it. I'm sure it was bruised, but for a hit like that to break a bone would have to be SOME hit.
     
  27. Spelunker

    Spelunker Well-Known Member Gold Supporter SoSH Member

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    Also, as folks have noted, the size of players has increased, even since the 80s. So, for the "Brady would get killed" crowd, I like to point out that, say, Donald has 50lbs on LT. Odds are he hits with a good bit more force than anything Montana ever experienced.

    And, for that matter, Brady has 20 on Montana.
     
  28. brandonchristensen

    brandonchristensen mad photochops SoSH Member

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    Pliability.
     
  29. Dogman2

    Dogman2 Yukon Cornelius Dope

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    I moved some posts to the Brady bankability thread.

    New threads are good.
     
  30. mcpickl

    mcpickl Member SoSH Member

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    Oooof, gotta block the outside guy Nate!
     
  31. BaseballJones

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    For reference...

    Aaron Rodgers, 2015-2018, ages 32-35:
    - 1,274-2,017 (63.2%), 14,366 yds, 112 td, 23 int, 7.1 y/a, 98.2 rating
    - 30-24-1 (.555) regular season record
    - 3-2 (.600) playoff record
    - 1 division title
    - 0 NFC championships
    - 0 Super Bowl championships
    - 3 pro bowls
    - 0 all-pro
    - 0 MVP

    Tom Brady, 2015-2018, ages 38-41:
    - 1,453-2,207 (65.8%), 17,256 yds, 125 td, 28 int, 7.8 y/a, 103.1 rating
    - 47-13 (.783) regular season record
    - 9-2 (.818) playoff record
    - 4 division titles
    - 3 AFC championships
    - 2 Super Bowl championships
    - 4 pro bowls
    - 1 all-pro
    - 1 MVP
     
  32. Harry Hooper

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    These items for Rodgers seem particularly glaring to me given the divisional rivals:

    - 1 division title
    - 0 NFC championships

    I believe GB didn't get a bye the year they won the division.
     
    #832 Harry Hooper, Feb 21, 2019
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  33. BaseballJones

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    Last 4 Super Bowls, Tom Brady in the 4th quarter and OT (so one drive longer than a full 4-quarter game):

    vs. Sea: 13-15, 124 yds, 2 td, 0 int, 14 points scored
    vs. Atl: 21-27, 246 yds, 1 td, 0 int, 25 points scored
    vs. Phi: 9-16, 101 yds, 1 td, 0 int, 7 points scored
    vs. LAR: 4-5, 67 yds, 0 td, 0 int, 10 points scored

    TOT: 47-63 (74.6%), 538 yds (8.5 y/a), 4 td, 0 int, 121.0 rating, 56 points scored, 3 game-winning drives

    I mean, those numbers are INSANE. And in the one game where he didn't have a game-winning drive, he DID lead a TD drive to take the lead in the 4th quarter (which brought them back from 12 points down earlier in the game), only to see the defense give it back.
     
    #833 BaseballJones, Mar 10, 2019
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  34. Valek123

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    Need a way smaller Hill, way less speed and way less jump attempts.

    Funny stuff though
     
  35. Eddie Jurak

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    Seems like Gase is loosening up
     
  37. InstaFace

    InstaFace MDLzera

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    I've missed having a quote machine for an opposing coach. Rex left a large void.
     

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