2018 Tom M-F&^%$ing Brady: Still Proving It

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Just read this article today:

https://www.businessinsider.com/tom-brady-contract-discounts-patriots-bargain-2018-7?utm_source=reddit.com

Brady has sacrificed some $60 million in pay from the Patriots over the course of his career. He can do it comfortably because Giselle makes a billion dollars a year and it's not like Brady is getting paid peanuts. But in a league where everyone is trying to make max money, Brady giving up $$ has helped build a better team. A totally underrated aspect of his greatness.
I wouldn’t say that is underrated. Not here, anyway.
 

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Max Kellerman, who earlier in the week tweeted about how Brady was obviously declining and how anyone would take Mahomes, Luck and Rivers over Brady: giving credit where credit is due:

Have to admit I was wrong about this game. We are watching the best who ever did it, and he still got it. What a performance by Belichick.
This is a few days old and I hate to give this idiot any attention at all. But he was trolling big time here, giving credit only to Belichick, not TB. On his show Monday morning he basically said that Brady didn't do anything special. Anybody could make the throws he made. He didn't throw into any tight windows and faced zero pressure. He'll never step up and say he was wrong about Brady.
 

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This is a few days old and I hate to give this idiot any attention at all. But he was trolling big time here, giving credit only to Belichick, not TB. On his show Monday morning he basically said that Brady didn't do anything special. Anybody could make the throws he made. He didn't throw into any tight windows and faced zero pressure. He'll never step up and say he was wrong about Brady.
I had a dozen friends over on Sunday and many of them were Patriot haters. It was an excellent experience, of course. Because Sunday's game was over in the 2nd quarter. But one of the things they kept saying over and over and over and over was that Brady only checked down and didn't do anything but toss flat passes. Meanwhile, he's slinging bullets to Edelman in stride.

The Brady hate is very strong. And when you're trying to chop down the greatest ever, your arguments end up on the side of ridiculous because you've got nothing else.
 

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I wonder, if kind of like the ending for Jeter, when people know it is his last year a lot of this blind hate turns to admiration for his career.
 

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I had a dozen friends over on Sunday and many of them were Patriot haters. It was an excellent experience, of course. Because Sunday's game was over in the 2nd quarter. But one of the things they kept saying over and over and over and over was that Brady only checked down and didn't do anything but toss flat passes. Meanwhile, he's slinging bullets to Edelman in stride.

The Brady hate is very strong. And when you're trying to chop down the greatest ever, your arguments end up on the side of ridiculous because you've got nothing else.
The Brady hating stuff is real. My non-Pats friends were all saying this weekend that Brady has been the beneficiary of playing in a weak division and riding Belichick’s defense. Mind you, this was literally during a game where he was busy putting up 35 points in a half against a top 2-3 team in the conference.

It also comes less than a year after he threw for 505 yards in a SB loss because Belichick’s defense couldn’t stop Nick Foles.

I just laugh at them at this point.
 

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The Brady hating stuff is real. My non-Pats friends were all saying this weekend that Brady has been the beneficiary of playing in a weak division and riding Belichick’s defense. Mind you, this was literally during a game where he was busy putting up 35 points in a half against a top 2-3 team in the conference.

It also comes less than a year after he threw for 505 yards in a SB loss because Belichick’s defense couldn’t stop Nick Foles.

I just laugh at them at this point.
Oh yeah, the division thing came up, too. One of my friends was hammering it. I quietly emailed everyone in the room the column that says the Pats have the same record out of the division as they do in the division. That made my friend pretty angry. But fuck him and fuck the Brady haters. It's nonsense and an insult.
 

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Oh yeah, the division thing came up, too. One of my friends was hammering it. I quietly emailed everyone in the room the column that says the Pats have the same record out of the division as they do in the division. That made my friend pretty angry. But fuck him and fuck the Brady haters. It's nonsense and an insult.
Speaking of which, Eric Dickerson still has some salty tears...

https://nesn.com/2019/01/eric-dickerson-rips-tom-brady-says-patriots-qb-isnt-greatest-of-all-time/
 

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So salty, I could put it on my popcorn. These guys who just can't get over the fact that the Patriots are an incredibly well run, well coached team, helmed by the greatest QB of all time, is actually kind of funny. And sad. Immaturity levels are very high.

What the Patriots have done is unprecedented. What Brady has done is unprecedented. Acknowledging that doesn't diminish what the Rams have done this year. And the Rams absolutely blew it in 2002 because they were cocky and they had a horrendous coach who didn't put his team in the best position to win.
 

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I had a dozen friends over on Sunday and many of them were Patriot haters. It was an excellent experience, of course. Because Sunday's game was over in the 2nd quarter. But one of the things they kept saying over and over and over and over was that Brady only checked down and didn't do anything but toss flat passes. Meanwhile, he's slinging bullets to Edelman in stride.

The Brady hate is very strong. And when you're trying to chop down the greatest ever, your arguments end up on the side of ridiculous because you've got nothing else.
I don't understand why so many people have to jump through hoops and try to build a ridiculous case to somehow justify their hatred; when it's perfectly acceptable to just say you hate a player because their really good, or you think their a smarmy d-bag, or whatever. I don't like LeBron because he beats my team all the time, whines to officials and seems like an awkward teammate, but I wouldn't be contorting myself into these arguments to say that he's not actually that good of a player.

Admitting that someone is really good doesn't make you a fan of them; I mean Ray Lewis was an amazing middle linebacker, but fuck him, I hate that guy.
 

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I didn't think that was that bad. He acknowledged that Brady is the greatest QB of all time (and he's a "Montana guy"). I can live with the idea that Brady isn't the greatest ATHLETE of all time. I mean he's in the discussion, but he might not be the single greatest athlete ever.
That’s the way I took it too. That denomination I believe was an intendedly poor choice to provoke hot takes. He’s not. QB? Football player? Yes. Champion? Possibly. Athlete? No, sorry.
 

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There’s an element of his athleticism that involves the mental aspects of his chosen sport that might be the greatest I’ve ever seen.
 

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Of course but it’s like tony Gonzalez said in the clip, you have to define athlete. If you’re talking about as a profession, sure he’s up there; I still wouldn’t put him first but he’d be up there. If you’re talking about it as athleticism, which is kind of inherent without a qualification - he obviously is not. I find it hard to take issue with either side of that clip but again I think it was kind of provoked by intentional ambiguity.
 

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There’s an element of his athleticism that involves the mental aspects of his chosen sport that might be the greatest I’ve ever seen.
Yeah, this is the point I always make. People hear athleticism and think of running and jumping and lifting, but hand-eye coordination, reflexes, and peripheral vision can be much more important.
 

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Right but didn’t Jordan or Tiger or Ali have all of those?

Edit: LeBron, Federer?
Yeah, I don’t think Brady is the best athlete ever for the same reason I don’t think Tiger is either - they’re aces in a lot of the coordination and reflex and flexibility stuff, but so are people like Jordan and Ali and Federer who are also fast and strong and jumpy.
 

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I know he doesn’t play that kind of sport, but Tiger trained with the Seals man. And he’s built like a linebacker. He essentially introduced weight training and athleticism into the game. We don’t know his 40 time or his standing jump, but we don’t know those about Ali either. But I see your distinction.

Edit: I know people don’t think of golfers as athletes, but they’re taking thousands of swing and walking a dozen miles five or six days a week. Endurance is an element imo.
 

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I know he doesn’t play that kind of sport, but Tiger trained with the Seals man. And he’s built like a linebacker. He essentially introduced weight training and athleticism into the game. We don’t know his 40 time or his standing jump, but we don’t know those about Ali either. But I see your distinction.

Edit: I know people don’t think of golfers as athletes, but they’re taking thousands of swing and walking a dozen miles five or six days a week. Endurance is an element imo.
I totally agree with what you’re saying, but we’re talking about a world with people like Bo Jackson and Rob Gronkowski in it, too.

I’m sure Tiger is stronger than the average bear, but he was always a guy who looked like he walked around at like 14% bf, benched in the low 3s and squatted around 5. Super impressive, but there are thousands of kids in high school doing that too.

Obviously, they can’t play golf like him and likely don’t have his coordination or endurance or flexibility, but others do and can bang out those 4.4 40s while benching 5 bills and squatting 7.
 

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I’m sure Tiger is stronger than the average bear, but he was always a guy who looked like he walked around at like 14% bf, benched in the low 3s and squatted around 5. Super impressive, but there are thousands of kids in high school doing that too..
There's no numbers in the few links I looked at, but there's a school of thought that because Tiger lifted so much he cost himself on the course.

https://sports.yahoo.com/brandel-chamblee-tiger-woods-costs-majors-lifting-weights-purely-vanity-reasons-225456387.html

http://www.espn.com/golf/news/story?id=2921413

Right now, Kleven says, Woods' lifting level is "off the charts." He wouldn't talk specific weights but said Woods recently reached new highs. "His endurance and strength allows us to do more reps at high levels [of weight] than normally seen in a golfer. His resistance for high reps is extremely high."
 

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We can talk about greatest "athlete" of all time, or whether other QBs have better skills than Brady or better statistics. But one this is for sure, and it's not even something that can be debated at this point: Tom Brady is the greatest WINNER the sport of football has ever seen. He has the most regular season wins. The most postseason wins. The most conference championships. The most Super Bowl championships.

When it comes to stats, Brady is in the elite inner-circle of all-time greats. When it comes to WINNING, Brady is the elite, inner-circle all by himself. Period.
 

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What's nuts about this is that you generally don't see modern athletes in team sports do this. It's like when Babe Ruth had HR records and no one was close. It's akin to Gretzky and when he'd have so many points that you could take away his goals (and he'd have like 70 of them) and he'd still lead the league in scoring. It's insane.

I saw a list where 1st round byes were counted as wins and Brady's numbers are even crazier.

Passing touchdowns: Brady has thrown 72 touchdown passes in the postseason. Joe Montana is next with 45.
He's 60% higher than #2 on list. The gap of 27 TDs would be #11 on the list.
 

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What's nuts about this is that you generally don't see modern athletes in team sports do this. It's like when Babe Ruth had HR records and no one was close. It's akin to Gretzky and when he'd have so many points that you could take away his goals (and he'd have like 70 of them) and he'd still lead the league in scoring. It's insane.

I saw a list where 1st round byes were counted as wins and Brady's numbers are even crazier.



He's 60% higher than #2 on list. The gap of 27 TDs would be #11 on the list.
There's a chance Brady will have doubled up Montana in both postseason wins and postseason TD passes when he retires. That's absurd.

Also, excluding the Patriots (for obvious reasons), Brady has more playoff wins (28) than all but 4 NFL franchises (Packers, Cowboys, Steelers, 49ers). There's a good chance he'll have passed the 9ers by the time he retires as well.
 

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I was in a discussion at a sports bar talking about these things and the guy literally said that the TD passes, etc. weren't a big deal because he's played in so many more postseason games than anyone else.

YES. That's the point broseph.
 

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Mel Kiper Jr.'s initial mock draft has the Patriots taking Daniel Jones of Duke in the first round
 

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Mel Kiper is to the draft and mock drafts what that crazy doctor on Twitter is to real medical experts. Kiper never gets the Pats right. He doesn’t even try. Not saying anything against you E5 for posting it just that I think Kiper is shit as an analyst.

Edit: Dr. Chao.
 

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Mel Kiper is to the draft and mock drafts what that crazy doctor on Twitter is to real medical experts. Kiper never gets the Pats right. He doesn’t even try. Not saying anything against you E5 for posting it just that I think Kiper is shit as an analyst.

Edit: Dr. Chao.
But let's also remember that Mike Mayock, whose career was broadcasting analyst -> "draft guru" for 15 years, then got hired as the actual GM for the Raiders. I'm not saying you're wrong, but I will say that there's some evidence that nobody knows anything, not even the insiders.
 

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First QB with 3 playoff overtime wins.
Of course, the haters on Twitter are pounding on the fact that Brady's opponents never touched the ball in those games. As if that's the only story.

The Brady hate is strong in some. They are sad people. To see greatness and not admire it is an insult. I am not a Warriors fan but watching Curry drain threes or Durant dominate everything is a joy.
 

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His fucking audibles were great today, nevermind his throws. It's a pleasure watching the greatest, knowing that you're watching the greatest.
 

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His fucking audibles were great today, nevermind his throws. It's a pleasure watching the greatest, knowing that you're watching the greatest.
There isn’t even a conversation anymore. The top of the mountain is Tom Brady and the only debate left is a bunch of guys fighting for number 2 at the bottom of it.
 
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