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Dick Vermeil is the only one I can come up with in the NFL.While he is only 54, he has been out of coaching for 10 years. I get that he has been an analyst / color man, and has his annual Gruden QB camp, but has there ever been someone out of coaching so long who returned successfully? Who are some other examples?
Dick Vermeil, although he won a super bowl after coming out of retirement, not before.While he is only 54, he has been out of coaching for 10 years. I get that he has been an analyst / color man, and has his annual Gruden QB camp, but has there ever been someone out of coaching so long who returned successfully? Who are some other examples?
Good call. He was obviously successful with the Rams, whether by luck or skillDick Vermeil is the only one I can come up with in the NFL.
Joe Gibbs went 30-34 with 2 playoff appearances in 4 years (still the best coaching run of the Dan Snyder era). He was gone 12 seasons.While he is only 54, he has been out of coaching for 10 years. I get that he has been an analyst / color man, and has his annual Gruden QB camp, but has there ever been someone out of coaching so long who returned successfully? Who are some other examples?
Thanks. Vermeil seems like best case here. I don't think the game has passed Gruden by - he is younger than Gibbs and Vermeil when they returned - but it's a long time on the sidelines.Joe Gibbs went 30-34 with 2 playoff appearances in 4 years (still the best coaching run of the Dan Snyder era). He was gone 12 seasons.
Dick Vermeil went 22-26 in 3 years and a SB win after 15 years off. Then went to KC and went 44-36 over 5 seasons and 1 playoff appearance.
Tom Flores went 14-34 in 3 years in Seattle after 5 years off.
Mike Ditka went 15-33 in 3 years in New Orleans and traded an entire draft after 5 years off.
Bill Cowher's been gone 12 years, he's due. So is Mariucci.
Gruden is at a great age. Not saying any more.So if BB were to reach the open market his base would be 400 million?
He shouldn't get to. KC coaches aren't going to give the incoming coach of a division rival the information they'd normally give a broadcaster, so it's going to compromise his ability to do the game, plus why would he criticize or praise any of their plays or decisions knowing that his takes will be analyzed?So what's the deal with the KC game? He's still doing it right?
Holy shit, Cowher has been out for 12 years?! That doesn't seem right and makes me feel old.Joe Gibbs went 30-34 with 2 playoff appearances in 4 years (still the best coaching run of the Dan Snyder era). He was gone 12 seasons.
Dick Vermeil went 22-26 in 3 years and a SB win after 15 years off. Then went to KC and went 44-36 over 5 seasons and 1 playoff appearance.
Tom Flores went 14-34 in 3 years in Seattle after 5 years off.
Mike Ditka went 15-33 in 3 years in New Orleans and traded an entire draft after 5 years off.
Bill Cowher's been gone 12 years, he's due. So is Mariucci.
I could totally see the Panthers hiring Cowher if they go out this weekend. (NC State grad). Need some "non-player" leadership with the change at the very top.Bill Cowher's been gone 12 years, he's due. So is Mariucci.
He'll listen now that he sees what the market is for coaches 10+ yrs out of the NFL.I could totally see the Panthers hiring Cowher if they go out this weekend. (NC State grad, lives in the triangle). Need some "non-player" leadership with the change at the very top.
I’ve always believed any desire Cowher had to coach again went away with the death of his first wife to skin cancer. He’s now remarried to a singer, enjoys being a grandfather, loves working for CBS and loves living in New York.Bill Cowher's been gone 12 years, he's due.
Cowher is living in New York now. Would be better to take the Giants job. Stable owner than the Panthers job.I could totally see the Panthers hiring Cowher if they go out this weekend. (NC State grad, lives in the triangle). Need some "non-player" leadership with the change at the very top.
Who cares? It does count against the cap and they make millions. I think this deal is a slam dunk for the Raiders.That's a lot of money. More than a college coach.
That’s logical, but these owners locked out their refs for weeks over wanting them to switch from a pension to a 401K. Their frugality can be jaw dropping.Who cares? It does count against the cap and they make millions.
In a league that prints money and has a hard cap and constant parity, it makes sense to overpay for quality coaching. I'm not convinced Gruden deserves to be at the top, but more owners should probably try this when it doesn't affect the cap. That's true of coordinators and other assistant coaches, too.Who cares? It does count against the cap and they make millions. I think this deal is a slam dunk for the Raiders.
I agree. Maybe this is a brilliant move, but there are some red flags here. Yes, Gruden is still young, and was a true savant in his younger years.I can't see this working out well, short term or long.
Those meetings would already have happened though. Should be interesting.He shouldn't get to. KC coaches aren't going to give the incoming coach of a division rival the information they'd normally give a broadcaster, so it's going to compromise his ability to do the game, plus why would he criticize or praise any of their plays or decisions knowing that his takes will be analyzed?
Yep:Those meetings would already have happened though. Should be interesting.
Vermeil’s first two years he had the worst roster in the league, headlined by Tony Banks at QB. Gruden inherits Carr, Cooper, a top 5 offensive line, and a top 3 defensive player in Mack. He’s not going 5-11.I agree. Maybe this is a brilliant move, but there are some red flags here. Yes, Gruden is still young, and was a true savant in his younger years.
But if I were a Raider fan I’d worry that this is as much about attracting Vegas season ticket holders and corporate sponsorships — “Attend our function, meet Super Bowl(TM) winning coach Jon Gruden, and get 20% off your next meal at Hooters!” — as it is about the on-field product.
And Gruden has been out of the game for a while. Maybe it works. He’s got a good young QB and some weapons on both sides of the ball. But even Vermeil went 4-12 and 5-11 in his first 2 seasons in St. Louis. If Gruden does the same, how does that play?
I love me some BB as much as the next guy, but giving a billion dollars to a coach seems a tad hyperbolic to me.If Gruden is worth $100 million, and Belichick really wants to move on. What would that make BB worth on the open market? Would some team just have to give him like half of their franchise? I mean, literally, just stroke the rights to 50% of the team to Bill? That seems about right to me value wise based on what Gruden got.
Sure, they have a talented roster. But that roster just went 6-10 this season.Vermeil’s first two years he had the worst roster in the league, headlined by Tony Banks at QB. Gruden inherits Carr, Cooper, a top 5 offensive line, and a top 3 defensive player in Mack. He’s not going 5-11.
He won the SB in 2002 and then went 45-51 until he was done in 2008.
It seems clear he is getting paid for being famous.
And now we find out the contract is backloaded. For sensible tax reasons, but backloaded nonetheless:Sure, they have a talented roster. But that roster just went 6-10 this season.
Again, to DotB & DC’s points above, this could be a risk worth taking. Hell, it’s possible they project the season ticket and corporate interest alone makes it worth it.
Wait. What is Reid holding in this photo. It looks like a frozen football with a handle?Yep:
And nope, like they're reading here. On cue, Panthers sign Riverboat Ron to a 2 year extensionI could totally see the Panthers hiring Cowher if they go out this weekend. (NC State grad). Need some "non-player" leadership with the change at the very top.