2018 Patriots Coaching Carousel
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Belichick has long-standing relationship with Schiano, seems unlikely he would come in to interview but not get the job.
If he is under contract with New England he cannot leave unless its for a head coach I believe.
This is a great guess. When BB joined Parcells in NE, Al Groh was already DC, but BB became the assistant HC / secondary coach.
Is Tanguay someone that would really have this news over some other guys that regularly cover the team?
Tanguay has done years of Patriots broadcast work, routinely travelling with the team.
I thought it just has to be a promotion.
Either way, they can't say Schiano is interviewing for the LB coach job because we technically have one right now.
Flores obviously can make a lateral move, if he has the Pats' permission. And there are (at least) 3 ways that could come to pass:
1.) Maybe BB doesn't love Flores for the DC job
2.) Maybe BB wants to do Flores a solid if for some reason he sees Detroit or somewhere else as a better opportunity (e.g. higher pay)
3.) The Pats get compensated by the team that signs Flores.
If Flores were to leave, I'd guess a DC spot with Arizona would also be a possibility.
That said, I think the "Asst Head Coach/DC" Schiano/Flores parlay is definitely a consideration.
I'd be shocked if the Pats granted permission for him to talk to another team. They aren't letting him walk out of the building because he is highly respected from everything I read there and an obvious star in waiting. I'd rather pass on Schiano to make Flores the DC. He has earned it.
Is there an NFL etiquette or understanding for an out-going guy (Patricia/Josh) not to raid the club and steal the silverware as they head to the new gig?
Ask Eric Mangini.
If this is a thing I think we need to discuss the connections Schiano has to the PSU stuff. I’ve not read anything but about the uproar at UT when it looked like he’d be going there. What does the evidence look like for him knowing about Sandusky?
Because some people think everything is a distraction. Every blessed thing. Even Brady’s dust up with “EEI. See for yourself in media section.
Yeah, put me in the "who cares about the timing" camp. It's not like we don't know Patricia/McDaniels are gone by next week. That's already out there/done deals. So, how is this news a distraction? If Patricia weren't lined up somewhere, and rumors came about that they were interviewing Schiano for DC position, that would be a different story.
Kicking ass on your way out is considerably better than answering Kyle Shanahan questions.
I don’t think it’s a big deal. And I don’t think it’s remotely a problem regarding Patricia. But IF Flores wants to stay in NE, and if the defensive players want him to be the next coordinator, I would have preferred that this story — if they are even aware of it — not enter their minds between now and Sunday night.
The Brady FB stuff and the Reimer dust up were a nothing on the distraction meter for me.
The Brady FB stuff and the Reimer dust up were a nothing on the distraction meter for me.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/early-lead/wp/2016/07/12/greg-schiano-tom-bradley-knew-of-jerry-sandusky-abuse-at-penn-state-documents-show/?utm_term=.53b2bbba3615
The evidence is McQueary’s testimony that Tom Bradley told him that Schiano also witnessed Sandusky assaulting someone in the shower. Both Bradley and Schiano have denied the allegation.
One advantage of hiring Schiano would be bringing in some fresh perspective. It is crazy how few of the Patriots coaches have experience in any other NFL or high-level college organizations. Flores and Patricia have only coached with the Patriots, as has Steve Belichick. Fears and Scarnecchia have been around forever. McDaniels had his brief sojourn to Denver and St. Louis but that was a while ago now. I think Chad O'Shea and Brendan Daly are the only other coaches with experience with another NFL team, and O'Shea was back in '09.
In this article, Belichick credited the past experience McDaniels had with Amendola and Mike Lombardi with Dion Lewis had in helping him determine they were right for the Pats: http://www.nbcsports.com/boston/patriots/behind-scenes-info-key-belichick-acquiring-amendola-lewis
In this article, Belichick credited the past experience McDaniels had with Amendola and Mike Lombardi with Dion Lewis had in helping him determine they were right for the Pats: http://www.nbcsports.com/boston/patriots/behind-scenes-info-key-belichick-acquiring-amendola-lewis
Maybe with all the roles opening up, Belichick sees an opportunity to add some new knowledge and perspective. Schiano was coaching TB not that long ago and his knowledge of the Big-10 guys would be pretty fresh.
Obviously we have no idea what really happened, but that kind of hearsay should not be enough to disqualify someone from jobs moving forward. The backlash against him at Tennessee felt a lot like a pretext used to complain about a hire the fans didn't like from a football standpoint.
I forget which game it was after, but BB made a long speech about what a great guy Greg is and at that point I felt like if he couldn't get a job anywhere else, BB would hire him. I'm not surprised and I don't care about the timing. My guess is BB will get his stock back up and in a year he'll go get a head job somewhere else on the college level.
So, there is NO "evidence." Just one person's testimony that has been refuted by two others.
Obviously covering up what happened at Penn State is a game changer. But lacking any kind of evidence or official word that Schiano actually did that I think you have to give the guy a chance. Lots of people were "At Penn State". I dont think all of them (save the obvious ones) should be vilified for it.
Schiano is a VERY GOOD defensive mind.
His Rutgers teams were consistently in the top 30 of college Defenses. And thats at Rutgers. Not exactly a traditional powerhouse.
Tampa Bays Defense even showed signs of life while he was there Going from 32nd in Points allowed to 23rd his first year, followed up by 21st his second and final year. The years after he was let go Lovie Smith piloted the Defense to 25th and 26th.
He also coached Mike Glennon to a 19td 9Int Season in 2013 as 24 yo rookie
Yea Lovie is no Lombardi but he too is a better then average Defensive coach.
While Flores is "Shiny and New" and certainly is well spoken of, Imagine if in 2000 Kraft had passed on the "Failed Guy" and gone with someone Shiny and New just because BB had "Failed" (at least that was the perception, detailed analysis indicates some real success) in Cleveland.
With Every hire I think about an a succession plan. Might Schiano be a guy who takes over in 3 or so years from BB?
If BB thinks the guy warrants a job thats good enough for me.
Schiano is a VERY GOOD defensive mind.
His Rutgers teams were consistently in the top 30 of college Defenses. And thats at Rutgers. Not exactly a traditional powerhouse.
Tampa Bays Defense even showed signs of life while he was there Going from 32nd in Points allowed to 23rd his first year, followed up by 21st his second and final year. The years after he was let go Lovie Smith piloted the Defense to 25th and 26th.
He also coached Mike Glennon to a 19td 9Int Season in 2013 as 24 yo rookie
Yea Lovie is no Lombardi but he too is a better then average Defensive coach.
While Flores is "Shiny and New" and certainly is well spoken of, Imagine if in 2000 Kraft had passed on the "Failed Guy" and gone with someone Shiny and New just because BB had "Failed" (at least that was the perception, detailed analysis indicates some real success) in Cleveland.
With Every hire I think about an a succession plan. Might Schiano be a guy who takes over in 3 or so years from BB?
If BB thinks the guy warrants a job thats good enough for me.
[hottake] Schiano is a dick. His TB teams dove at people's knees and he was a monster douche on the recruiting trail for Rutgers. Bill can hire who he wants, but for simply the reason that Schiano is an asshat I'd prefer he not be in New England. [/hottake]
Belichick seems to genuinely like and respect Schiano as a football mind and shaper of young football men — hell, he drafted half the Rutgers roster as we are constantly reminded.
Also, don’t forget that Stephen Belichick went to Rutgers for undergrad and spent a season learning how to coach football from Schiano as a walk-on long snapper on the Rutgers football team in 2011. Bill even wears Rutgers shirts and hats regularly.
This doesn’t mean he’ll hire Schiano. It could just mean that he’s doing him a solid, much like when Belichick brought Chip Kelly in as an advisor for a few weeks to help rehabilitate his image after Kelly’s disasterous firing in Philly.
But Schiano is firmly in the Belichick circle. Given his relationship with Bill & Stephen, he seems like practically a member of the extended family. It doesn’t surprise me in the least that he’s interviewing for a job, especially as Belichick is about to lose 2 of his most trusted and longest-tenured assistants.
Also, don’t forget that Stephen Belichick went to Rutgers for undergrad and spent a season learning how to coach football from Schiano as a walk-on long snapper on the Rutgers football team in 2011. Bill even wears Rutgers shirts and hats regularly.
http://www.providencejournal.com/article/20151003/SPORTS/151009716
This doesn’t mean he’ll hire Schiano. It could just mean that he’s doing him a solid, much like when Belichick brought Chip Kelly in as an advisor for a few weeks to help rehabilitate his image after Kelly’s disasterous firing in Philly.
But Schiano is firmly in the Belichick circle. Given his relationship with Bill & Stephen, he seems like practically a member of the extended family. It doesn’t surprise me in the least that he’s interviewing for a job, especially as Belichick is about to lose 2 of his most trusted and longest-tenured assistants.
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I'd be okay with this as long as he's brought on in a scenario akin to Larussa. Make him an assistant/linebackers coach and promote Flores to DC.
Can you expand a bit on the ‘monster rouge on the recruiting trail’ portion of your rant?
Testimony is evidence. It may not be good or credible (in this case, it’s pure hearsay) but it is evidence.
Not just beat Syracuse for some recruits, Schiano was well known to negative recruit in a really lousy way. I'm no snowflake, negative recruiting is part of the game, and recruiting in general is a cesspool. But when you're telling kids they'll get injured playing for another school I think that crosses a line, and that's among the things he did.
It was U of Tenn. (not the Titans)
But I think this is clearly a public vote of confidence.Also at the time of the UT clusterfuck, BB voiced support of Schiano