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2018 NBA offseason thread

Discussion in 'Mark Blount's Port Cellar: Celtics Forum' started by DrewDawg, May 30, 2018.

  1. Ed Hillel

    Ed Hillel Wants to be startin somethin SoSH Member

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    His brothers fell from the Lavar Tree, they are awful. Lonzo seems like a good kid, it’s a shame.
     
  2. cheech13

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    Looks like Toronto is taking the safe option and hiring in-house. I know that Nurse is an up-and-coming coaching prospect but is this really the thing that gets them over the top in the East?



    The Toronto Raptors are hiring assistant Nick Nurse as the franchise's new head coach, league sources tell ESPN. Sides are working through details of contract now.
     
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  3. wonderland

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    It worked for Phil Jackson and the Bulls!
     
  4. Sam Ray Not

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    And Pat Riley and the Lakers.
     
  5. wade boggs chicken dinner

    wade boggs chicken dinner Member SoSH Member

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  6. chilidawg

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    Is there a coaching option that gets them over the top? Maybe Brad Stevens.
     
  7. cheech13

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    Probably not, but that just shows that firing Casey didn't really solve anything. They need to revamp that team, not make a lateral coaching change.
     
  8. JCizzle

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    The NBA is the best

     
  9. amarshal2

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    The Spurs may have a deal with Indiana for Kawhi Leonard, sources say."

    How long is the helicopter flight from Akron to Indy?
     
  10. Jeff Van GULLY

    Jeff Van GULLY Member SoSH Member

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    That’s a tweet from 2011
     
  11. snowmanny

    snowmanny Well-Known Member Gold Supporter SoSH Member

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    Well that only lends credence to the rumor
     
  12. DrewDawg

    DrewDawg Dorito Dink SoSH Member

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    Uh...7 years?
     
  13. Bob Montgomery's Helmet Hat

    Bob Montgomery's Helmet Hat has big, douchey shoulders Lifetime Member SoSH Member

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    I'm guessing that deal happens. Or happened.
     
  14. amarshal2

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    It could still happen. Woj playing the long game.
     
  15. Reverend

    Reverend for king and country Lifetime Member SoSH Member

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    They've had 7 years to disconfirm... and yet, what? Nothing.

    Seems like where there's smoke...
     
  16. DrewDawg

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    Well, that deal *did* happen. Pacers drafted Kawhi.

    And got GEORGE HILL for him. Who just lost in the NBA Finals with Lebron. Which might cause Lebron to bolt to LA. AND JOIN KAWHI!
     
  17. Reverend

    Reverend for king and country Lifetime Member SoSH Member

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    So it's all true!!
     
  18. TripleOT

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    Fun Fact. Terry Rozier has similar stats as the George Hill that Pop traded for the 15th pick Kawhi.
     
  19. RedOctober3829

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    Rudy Gay declined his player option to return to the Spurs.
     
  20. cheech13

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    Rudy Gay has a terrible agent. He turned down a $14MM option from the Kings to sign with the Spurs for $8.4MM. Now he is turning down is $8.8MM option for next year and I doubt he gets anything close to that on the open market.

    In another example of a player overestimating his worth, Jamal Crawford turned down his $4.5MM option with the Wolves to become a free agent. He seems like a veteran min guy to me. Maybe he wants a shot at a title.
     
  21. nighthob

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    It was a two year MLE deal, I suspect the MLE might come in higher next year.
     
  22. RedOctober3829

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    CLEVELAND, Ohio -- The Cavaliers will not know what LeBron James intends to do this summer when they execute their draft plan Thursday, numerous sources told cleveland.com.

    James has until June 29th to exercise his $35.6 million player's option on his contract for next season, and if he lets it pass then he's an unrestricted free agent who could still return to Cleveland.

    In other words, James has all kinds of time to figure out where he wants to play next season. General manager Koby Altman, who will run his first draft on Thursday, has about four days to decide about his No. 8 pick.

    According to sources, the Cavs' front office and James' camp have been in contact over the phone and in person, though there has been no meeting with James present, nor has the been any real dialogue as far as James' future is concerned.

    Because the superstar himself doesn't know.

    The Cavs have been signaling (strongly, in some cases) that they're looking to upgrade their team from the group that was swept out of the Finals this month, whether James stays or goes.

    They are taking calls from teams looking to move up in the draft via trade, and are seeking proven NBA vets whose presence would both improve the roster and be enticing to James.

    Cleveland has in fact inquired about Kawhi Leonard's availability from the Spurs, among others, and league sources suggested Charlotte's Kemba Walker could be in play for the Cavs.

    Because of league rules, Cleveland must make its pick on Thursday, but could trade it immediately or sign the player and then wait 30 days to trade him -- like the Cavs did when they drafted Andrew Wiggins No. 1 overall in 2014 and traded him for Kevin Love.

    https://www.cleveland.com/cavs/index.ssf/2018/06/cavaliers_wont_know_lebron_jam.html
     
  23. HomeRunBaker

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    You are not painting the complete scenario in Sacramento. Gay publicly stated that he was going to decline his $14m option prior to the start of the season when he tore his Achilles. He knew he'd take a hit for the opportunity in San Antonio as the Kings still wanted him back on a long-term deal once he declined......which he refused. Gay's priority was to get out of Sacramento.

    I don't see why Gay would exercise a one-year option with $8.8m guaranteed when he'll surely sign one with multiple guaranteed years even if it's the MLE. This is key rotation FA type money......why would you feel he will be shut out of this market?
     
  24. cheech13

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    Gay only got the MLE last summer and then had a very subpar year. I was imagining the market being even worse for him this summer, but maybe I'm overestimating the effect of the lack of cap space out there. I could see the lower tax payer's figure for him, but he doesn't strike me as a full MLE guy anymore. He barely put up 20MPG last year on a team that was starving for solid wing minutes after Simmons departed and Kawhi got injured.
     
  25. HomeRunBaker

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    I don't see how he was subpar as he was at essentially his career numbers, He shot poorly from 3 but higher from 2 and had the best rebounding numbers of his career. I think we all know what Gay is by now......a first/second guy off your bench. The only Spur who played more than 26.7 mpg was LMA and when eliminating Kawhi they has 8 players between 19 and 26.7 mpg. With Pop's 10-man rotation I don't know why you'd expect your backup wing to exceed 21 a game.
     
  26. ifmanis5

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  27. moondog80

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    Timofey Mozgov makes 17 mil for the next two years. What a country.
     
  28. finnVT

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    That's interesting in thinking about Kyrie's plans... is the interest he's expressed in NYC specific to the Knicks, or an interest in the city generally? If I'm reading correctly, the Nets could be in a LAL type situation next year, where they have space to sign two max deals, and then use Crabbe's salary to trade for another. The complications being (1) they have very few assets to send with Crabbe to get something useful back, and (2) they're pretty devoid of any talent to play alongside those max players.
     
  29. bakahump

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    Wow. I know Howard is poison, but when your traded for a 31 year old who has never scored more then 11 ppg in his career and averaged less then 12 mins per game the previous season you have fallen. Hard.

    Hard to believe that he has a 99% chance (according to BBRef) of making the HoF. But I guess the NBA HoF is a different animal and he was stellar until about 27
     
  30. Lazy vs Crazy

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    Jordan isn't concerned with winning, he wants to save money. This gets him under the luxury tax.
     
  31. HomeRunBaker

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    Howard helps them win? The NBA is first and foremost a business. This trade accomplishes one of Kupchak's several objectives this summer by avoiding the luxury tax. Also important is adding a couple cheap 2nd rounders from Brooklyn.
     
  32. HowBoutDemSox

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    Wasn’t Kupchak the one who gave Mozgov his current deal when he was running the Lakers in the first place?
     
  33. RedOctober3829

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    Yes he was.
     
  34. ifmanis5

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    Mozgov was also the big sticking point in the Melo Nuggets to Knicks deal. He's had a weird and lucrative career for someone who doesn't play.
     
  35. cheech13

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    Cavs traded two first rounds pick for him as well during Lebron’s first season back in Cleveland.
     
  36. nighthob

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    I guess you can take Brooklyn off the list of teams in the FA market this summer. The NBAPA might re-name the summer of 2018 Nuclear Winter.
     
  37. bakahump

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    Wasn't Brooklyn a supposed suitor for Smart?
     
  38. nighthob

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    Some of the "We have to get rid of Smart at any cost!!!" crowd used to claim that the Nets would be all in on Smart, despite already having a taller/longer version of the same player. But it was never very convincing given that the Nets already have two jack-of-all-trades type players (and pretty good ones at that) and value good three point shooting above all else.
     
  39. E5 Yaz

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    Mozgov's travels (basketball-reference)

    July 13, 2010: Signed as a free agent with the New York Knicks.

    February 22, 2011: As part of a 3-team trade, traded by the New York Knicks with Wilson Chandler, Raymond Felton, Danilo Gallinari, cash, a 2012 2nd round draft pick (Quincy Miller was later selected), a 2013 2nd round draft pick (Romero Osby was later selected), a 2014 1st round draft pick (Dario Saric was later selected) and a 2016 1st round draft pick (Jamal Murray was later selected) to the Denver Nuggets; the Denver Nuggets traded a 2015 2nd round draft pick (Richaun Holmes was later selected) to the Minnesota Timberwolves; the Denver Nuggets traded Carmelo Anthony, Renaldo Balkman, Chauncey Billups, Anthony Carter, Shelden Williams and a 2016 1st round draft pick (Jakob Poeltl was later selected) to the New York Knicks; the Minnesota Timberwolves traded Kosta Koufos to the Denver Nuggets; the Minnesota Timberwolvestraded Corey Brewer to the New York Knicks; and the New York Knicks traded Eddy Curry, Anthony Randolph and cash to the Minnesota Timberwolves. (Nuggets acquired right to swap 2016 1st-Rd picks with Knicks) (Nuggets acquired right to swap 2016 1st-Rd picks with Knicks)

    July 27, 2013: Signed as a free agent with the Denver Nuggets.

    January 7, 2015: Traded by the Denver Nuggets with a 2015 2nd round draft pick (Sir'Dominic Pointer was later selected) to the Cleveland Cavaliers for a 2016 1st round draft pick (Furkan Korkmaz was later selected) and a 2017 1st round draft pick (Harry Giles was later selected). (CLE sends pair of 1st-Rd picks to DEN. One of the picks is from OKC, which is top-18 protected in 2015 & top-15 protected afterwards. The other pick is from MEM & is conveyed if between 6-14 in 2015 or 2016 & and is top-5 protected in 2017 & 2018).

    July 8, 2016: Signed a multi-year contract with the Los Angeles Lakers

    June 22, 2017: Traded by the Los Angeles Lakers with D'Angelo Russell to the Brooklyn Nets for Kyle Kuzma and Brook Lopez.
     
  40. moondog80

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    Who does anyone expect Brooklyn to lure with the two max slots next year? They'll end up with Kemba Walker and Harrison Barnes, and be good enough to miss out on the playoffs but not fall to the bottom of the lottery.
     
  41. nighthob

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    I guess it depends on how well their tank season goes next year. Because landing the first pick would open a lot of doors for them in the free agent recruiting game (at that point I'd be officially worried about Boston losing Kyrie to a Durant/Irving/3rd star Brooklyn super team)
     
  42. chilidawg

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    Why is Charlotte doing this?
     
  43. moondog80

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    I'm not suggesting the trade is bad idea, but if the strategy is to convince Kevin Durant to set up shop on a team where he probably can't name the current head coach or anyone on the roster, they might want to have plan B ready.
     
  44. kelpapa

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    They get under the luxury tax next year. Dwight Howard makes $24mm next year.
     
  45. nighthob

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    Yeah, but they'd have room for two max guys (he and Kyrie are friends, hence my worry about them landing #1) and in the scenario where they land #1, the ability to trade for a third star.
     
  46. Sam Ray Not

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    Kyle O’Quinn opting out. I covet him as a David West / Zaza replacement, if the Ws can make the numbers work. Seems like a good fit on the Cs, too.

    You guys have probably watched him more than I have — is he as good as his per minute numbers suggest?
     
  47. benhogan

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    He's my binky. Active, moves well, nice lefty game. In the right situation (under Brad) he'd be a nice addition. Baynes/O'Quinn/Theis/Horford rotating at the 5 would work.
     
  48. the moops

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    You aren't getting both Baynes and O'Quinn
     
  49. benhogan

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    When they had Baynes/Theis/Horford, last season, it seemed like they were short a big man hence the signing of Monroe. An active O'Quinn fits better in the Celtics system then a lanky, slow-footed BIG like Monroe.

    The roster is far from set, suspect there will be several moving pieces, openings.
     
    #149 benhogan, Jun 20, 2018
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  50. BigSoxFan

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    Isn’t moops saying that we won’t be able to sign both and not necessarily that we don’t need them both? We only got Monroe because we had the DPE due to Hayward.
     

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