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2018 Eagles: Blinded by the Lombardi

Discussion in 'Blinded by the Lombardis: Patriots Forum' started by Oil Can Dan, Apr 29, 2018.

  1. Oil Can Dan

    Oil Can Dan Well-Known Member Lifetime Member SoSH Member

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    We’re on to 2018 after a miraculous 2017. The team returns 21 of 22 starters.

    Key losses:
    LGBT
    Torrey Smith
    Patrick Robinson
    Trey Burton
    Vinny Curry
    Beau Allen


    Additions:
    Mike Wallace
    Dallas Goedert
    Michael Bennet
    Haloti Ngata

    Wentz may not be ready by week1 but SB MVP Nick Foles is ready if needed. Also back should be Jason Peters, Jordan Hicks and recently resigned Darren Sproles.

    More to come as camp approaches but as it stands they seem well positioned to compete in the stacked NFC.
     
  2. BigSoxFan

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    Ha, great thread title. Those Eagles/Giants games this year are going to simply be fantastic.
     
  3. SeoulSoxFan

    SeoulSoxFan Dope Dope

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    Just edited the um, "great" title for consistency sake. Eagles seem to be well on its way to another SB run. May it stay as a singular "Lombardi" if the Pats do the same.
     
  4. Ale Xander

    Ale Xander Member SoSH Member

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    What was the title originally?
     
  5. Dogman2

    Dogman2 Yukon Cornelius Dope

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    I'm sure the plural was used. Let's keep it singular!
     
  6. LondonSox

    LondonSox Robert the Deuce SoSH Member

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    Why do you say that particularly?
     
  7. BigSoxFan

    BigSoxFan Member SoSH Member

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    Eagles/Giants? I'm a Pats fan so I'm equally annoyed with both franchises but I work in NYC so I deal with NYG fans on a daily basis and they love, love, LOVE(d) to knock Philly on their lack of SBs. Now that they've finally nabbed one and are on top of the world, the rivalry is going to be even more intense. Giants fans love to tweak Pats fans on SB 42/46 but the real hatred is with the Eagles. Similar to Sox/Yanks in 2004, there is a whole lot of pent up frustration that will be coming out this year by Philly fans.

    And now you'll have the defending champ Eagles led by their franchise QB and loaded defense going up against a team with a Manning-face, Odell Beckham Jr., and now one of the most electric RB prospects in a long time in Barkley. So, like 2003-2004 Sox/Yanks, you have an intense rivalry with a ton of talent on the field on both sides.

    That should lead to some exciting games in 2018.
     
  8. SeoulSoxFan

    SeoulSoxFan Dope Dope

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    The original title was "Blinded by the Lombardi -- 2018 Eagles" singular, I believe.

    I am obsessed with getting thread titles to follow somewhat of a uniform syntax, as it helps to scan them down. I thank everyone for tolerating this bit of a dope dickery.
     
  9. Oil Can Dan

    Oil Can Dan Well-Known Member Lifetime Member SoSH Member

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    Here's a nice Howie Roseman interview from the Wharton People Analytics Conference. While there's nothing earth shattering in here I thought some might like to see it. Discussion points include the marriage of analytics with traditional scouting, incorporating sports science, and the importance of interpersonal relationships.

     
  10. LondonSox

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    I think the Giants suck. Eli is washed, the o line is terrible and their defense is awful.
    But thanks for explaining, I can understand that.
     
  11. terrynever

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    Let's not dismiss the Giants so blithely. Barkley makes their offense better in so many ways. Hell, the Giants almost beat Philly in Philly last September, and gave them fits in the second matchup, too.

    Looking past opponents is never a good thing.
     
  12. Average Reds

    Average Reds Dope Staff Member Dope V&N Mod SoSH Member

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    It’s much more fun saying that the Giants suck. Especially when they do.

    If you want to discuss the finer points of their suckage, I will join you in the Giants thread.
     
  13. LondonSox

    LondonSox Robert the Deuce SoSH Member

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    I'd say the Giants sucked regardless, though I'd probably admit it's a philosophy not a view. But they actually suck and are delusional.

    Eagles released Kendricks yesterday which is a bit if a surprise and then lost a back up LB to injury

    Expect the eagles to look to add some LB depth by trade or veterans.
    Kendricks didn't start and got limited snaps with people healthy. I don't really care but they need depth.
    Hicks is great but coming off injury and injury prone. Bradham is great.
     
  14. LondonSox

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    Eagles not all going to WH so Trump pulls the invitation

    What a child
    https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/...s-eagles-white-house-visit-over-anthem-issue/

    Also YAY
     
  15. Lose Remerswaal

    Lose Remerswaal Leaves after the 8th inning Lifetime Member SoSH Member

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    Never thought I'd congratulate the Eagles but "good on ya!"
     
  16. bsj

    bsj Renegade Crazed Genius SoSH Member

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    Fly eagles fly
     
  17. GoDa

    GoDa lurker

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    If you know any Trump-supporting Eagles fans and aren't one yourself. This is kind of awesome.
     
  18. dcmissle

    dcmissle Deflatigator Lifetime Member SoSH Member

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  19. Average Reds

    Average Reds Dope Staff Member Dope V&N Mod SoSH Member

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    First the Super Bowl and now this. Man, these last six months have been something for this long-suffering Eagles fan to observe.

    Could not be prouder of the team and the mayor for how they reacted to Trump. #wordsIneverexpectedtowrite.
     
  20. Rick Burlesons Yam Bag

    Rick Burlesons Yam Bag Internet Cowboy, Turbo Accelerator Lifetime Member SoSH Member

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    The Eagles are a team I like.
     
  21. Reverend

    Reverend for king and country Lifetime Member SoSH Member

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    There goes the neighborhood.
     
  22. pappymojo

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    So, a Pats fan supposedly made a bet with an Eagles fan and the result is that they are going to put a billboard up on the way to Gillette.

    This is what the artist came up with.

    [​IMG]
     
  23. GoDa

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    I feel like the fan rivalry is decidedly one-way.
     
  24. Oil Can Dan

    Oil Can Dan Well-Known Member Lifetime Member SoSH Member

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    I am very confused.
     
  25. dcmissle

    dcmissle Deflatigator Lifetime Member SoSH Member

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  26. Oil Can Dan

    Oil Can Dan Well-Known Member Lifetime Member SoSH Member

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  27. dcmissle

    dcmissle Deflatigator Lifetime Member SoSH Member

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    No, as I said, there have been a handful of occasions where it struck me that he is edgy. Most, but not all, have been since the SB win. Many, but not all, have related to the QB position. None are particularly memorable, though I recall a recent one being about Foles.

    The thought bubble would be, “we are where we are because we’re good, not lucky, and we’re not taking any bullshit from anyone.”
     
  28. Average Reds

    Average Reds Dope Staff Member Dope V&N Mod SoSH Member

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    #28 Average Reds, Dec 31, 2018
    Last edited: Jan 2, 2019
  29. Oil Can Dan

    Oil Can Dan Well-Known Member Lifetime Member SoSH Member

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    I'll be disappointed if the Eagles don't make him whole on that, but I haven't seen anything reported.

    Weird season for the birds. I've never been very rational when it comes to the Eagles but if I squint enough I can see a path forward towards the Super Bowl for them. The Bears will be tough but they're a pretty young team with a young QB and I could see a win there. The Saints blew their doors off 48-7 two months ago but they seem to have slipped backwards a little bit since then. A SB run is unlikely, but not impossible.

    I'm a huge Wentz guy but I have to acknowledge the improvement with Foles at the helm. I don't think there's any serious decision to make at QB after this season, but I can admit that at a minimum it's worth internal discussions as to whether to look to move Wentz for a huge package. We'll see...
     
  30. singaporesoxfan

    singaporesoxfan Well-Known Member Lifetime Member SoSH Member

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    Andrew Brandt has been consistently saying that business-wise, the Eagles have to move Foles this off-season; doesn't make business sense to pick up the $20M option for 2019 for a backup. Though obviously if they like Foles they could move Wentz and renegotiate a contract for Foles.
     
  31. Mystic Merlin

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    It’s not just the cap issue. Foles and the Eagles have a mutual contract option that triggers after the Super Bowl.

    So, they definitely need to pick a guy now because Foles can walk away as an unrestricted free agent if Wentz is gonna be the presumed starter in 2019.
     
  32. dcmissle

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    Does Brandt acknowledge that the Eagles cannot unilaterally move Foles? As I understand the contract, Foles buys complete freedom with a $2 million check to the Eagles. Brandt should know this.
     
  33. Oil Can Dan

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    My understanding is that the Eagles could use the Franchise Tag on Foles even in the scenario where they exercise the $20M option and Foles gives $2M back to be free.

    All of the specific logistics aside, I think that if the Eagles come to a decision that they'd prefer to roll with Foles rather than Wentz, then Foles would be open to a new contract that allows for that to happen. I am still of the thought that Wentz is their man going forward, but the door on going the Foles route seems to be opened just a bit. If Foles leads them deep into the playoffs then all bets are off...
     
  34. singaporesoxfan

    singaporesoxfan Well-Known Member Lifetime Member SoSH Member

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    Oh, right, I paraphased him badly. His point was solely that Foles wouldn't be on the team, though if he picks up value as @Oil Can Dan points out the Eagles can franchise tag him and trade him.
     
  35. Royal Reader

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    If they win a playoff game with Foles, the Wentz trade option seems on the table - you have to think that for a proven decent QB on a rookie deal you could maybe get a solid player on a rookie deal at a less vital position and two firsts. Given they know they can win a Super Bowl with Foles, it's not crazy. It kinda feels like a reverse Brady-over-Bledsoe.

    Anyone got a handle on how the fanbase might react?
     
  36. dcmissle

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    That tag would cost them approximately $25 million for the season if he signed it, all against their 2019 cap.

    Edit. Went through this with Cousins last offseason. Players can cooperate in a sign-and-trade, or not. If they don’t and the team plays franchise tag roulette, things get dire if at a high value position the player says fuck you and signs the tender.
     
  37. Oil Can Dan

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    Reports this past weekend stated that the Eagles will in fact honor the $1m bonus, so woohoo to that!

    If St. Nick leads the Eagles past the Saints on Sunday they have to think about entertaining offers for Wentz. I have no idea what type of haul he'd bring in given his knee injury last year and the fact that he has a broken back right now. Reports over the weekend had the Eagles likely able to tag and trade Foles for at least a 2nd round pick. It'll be an interesting offseason one way or the other...
     
  38. Average Reds

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    I have a hard time believing the Eagles would take the risk of tag and trade, but who knows.

    I do know that Foles cashed another $1 million check yesterday. So, he’s got that going for him.

    I am kind of enjoying the Nick Foles farewell tour.
     
  39. Papelbon's Poutine

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    I'm gonna put my money on Foles wearing teal next season, but it's clearly a tough call for the Eagles.
     
  40. Dernells Casket n Flagon

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    I actually see it not too dissimilar from the Matt Cassel situation the Patriots had. Cassel was coming off his age 26 season with just the single full season track record, and Foles will be finishing his age 29 season with a few seasons (plus most importantly postseason) track record. Cassel was traded for a 2nd round (34th overall) pick. You've also got the comparison of the Alex Smith San Francisco to Kansas City trade in 2012. Smith was coming off his age 28 season with one year left on his deal and SF the Chiefs 2nd round pick plus a conditional pick the following season.

    I have to imagine that there's a couple teams in the NFL that would be willing to trade for Foles looking to sign him to an extension that it makes sense for the Eagles to tag him.
     
  41. Oil Can Dan

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    I too think there will be teams willing to do that. I think Foles would look good in MIami or Washington, for example. At the same time I think the Eagles will be sensitive to Foles' wants and desires. I think they had an opportunity to trade him for a 2nd to Cleveland this past offseason but took his wishes in to consideration (along with their view that Wentz wouldn't be ready) and declined that.

    Also worth mentioning the compensatory pick the Eagles would receive in the event they don't tag him and he walks. I believe that would apply even if they pick up his option and he buys his freedom. I know it's a complicated formula based on who they lose and sign overall, but I read somewhere that the back of the napkin math suggests a 3rd. So any team would theoretically need to beat that well enough to accommodate the stench of having traded your SB winning QB who also took you X far in the 2018 postseason.
     
  42. Oil Can Dan

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    https://bleacherreport.com/articles...e-its-nick-foles-world-were-just-living-in-it

    Not saying I totally agree with this premise, but I guess I could see Jon Gruden dealing a couple of those juicy 1st rounders for Foles...
     
  43. BaseballJones

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    Could the Eagles get more for Foles or Wentz? I'd suggest Wentz and given how the Eagles' players respond to Foles (it's amazing how they love him), I'd give serious consideration to trading Wentz and just keeping Foles.
     
  44. Average Reds

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    The Eagles could absolutely get more - likely much more - for Wentz than they could get for Foles.

    This is because Wentz is a much better QB than Foles. This is also why the Eagles will keep Wentz.
     
  45. BaseballJones

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    I suppose. But if Foles takes them deep again, isn't that all you can ask of a QB? Get two first rounders for Wentz, keep Foles, load up on draft picks, and keep rolling.

    But I don't really care....it's the Eagles.
     

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